Detroit Redwings Downfall

[Pavels Dog]

Wings need elite talent to carry them to a win and Larkin is not it. Raymond is not it either.

Name all the teams that have enough elite talent to carry them to a win within the next 10 years.

 

[Golden_Jet]

OTT is so bad they just drafted 7th overall last draft, and they look to be hoving around the same next draft.

with the Wings being worse

Currently Sens are tied for 16th in league by points percentage. (So mid pack draft)
Wings are drafting 8th overall

 

[WarriorofTime]

If Yzerman's leash is as long as believed, why not just take a look at this season, realize he has Seider and Raymond locked in already, Edvinsson still has another year of ELC.. and say rather than try and pull an analytic aberration to sneak a mediocre roster into a wildcard spot (and likely be an easy out), just make a go for it and take a run at a top 5 pick and potential lotto luck. Colorado only picked 4th the year they were historically bad.. but they got Cale Makar. The Wings rebuild is really still an elite player away and they're not likely to get it picking 11th or crossing their fingers about Nate Danielson to reach a higher threshold than anticipated.

I know it ruins the "steady march to progress" narrative that a couple folks are clinging towards but with many of the key pieces being the big money players, even though their contracts are fine, it's pretty apparent they don't have the elite level talent to make a run at it and aren't Sun Belt-y enough that they'll get a bunch of aberrations from outside the org on great deals. That leaves you with just hoping to get lucky or else it looks like a team that will try and limp into the postseason and be a 1st round exit/maybe a one year where it comes together to make the 2nd round, kinda team.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Very smart person: "SEIDER AND EDVINSSON ARE THE PROBLEM NOT PETRY AND CHIAROT"

Person who wrote tweet, looks like a dumb person to me
Tweet says xGF%
But looks like sorted by xG%

Name all the teams that have enough elite talent to carry them to a win within the next 10 years.

That’s literally impossible, without a crystal ball.

 

[SirKillalot]

Larkin is a good player but not on the same tier as Eichel. One is the type of talent that can be the leading scorer in playoffs and the other a good complimentary piece on a cup winner.

Wings need elite talent to carry them to a win and Larkin is not it. Raymond is not it either.

Subjectively you can say what you want, but objectively they are almost equal. Eichel is a little better, but in general also had better support cast around him.
For the most part Larkin have got decent linemates, but not elite.

So we shall see when the team gets even better and when they get to the playoffs.

I think if you put Larkin on that Vegas team that won, it wouldn't bee much of a difference compared to Eichel.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Subjectively you can say what you want, but objectively they are almost equal.

TSN had Eichel 32nd, Larkin Unranked on their top 50 player list

Sportsnet had Eichel 21st, Larkin Unranked on their top 50 player list

ESPN had Eichel 16th, Larkin 49th on their top 100 player list

Take stuff like this for what it's worth, but there's a clear consensus in the hockey world that Eichel is comfortably a better player than Larkin.

 

[Peasy]

If Yzerman's leash is as long as believed, why not just take a look at this season, realize he has Seider and Raymond locked in already, Edvinsson still has another year of ELC.. and say rather than try and pull an analytic aberration to sneak a mediocre roster into a wildcard spot (and likely be an easy out), just make a go for it and take a run at a top 5 pick and potential lotto luck. Colorado only picked 4th the year they were historically bad.. but they got Cale Makar. The Wings rebuild is really still an elite player away and they're not likely to get it picking 11th or crossing their fingers about Nate Danielson to reach a higher threshold than anticipated.

The refusal to bottom out an extra year or two will forever remain the biggest head scratcher. Maybe they were scared Larkin would walk if they did that? But what they have right now was the alternative...

Wings fans keep usin the gotcha of well we've improved every year, it will keep happening! But thats not how this works.

 

[SirKillalot]

Take stuff like this for what it's worth, but there's a clear consensus in the hockey world

Remember Eichel rides of being 2nd overall and being traded to a contender that in the end won the cup. I agree that Eichel is a bit better, but its not a huge amount. He isn't as good as his 2nd overall / comparison with McDavid was thought to be. He is still a very good center, one I would say is elite, but objectively Larkin isn't a lot behind.

Of course most would choose Eichel above Larkin, especially after he got traded from the Sabres.

 

[SirKillalot]

The refusal to bottom out an extra year or two will forever remain the biggest head scratcher. Maybe they were scared Larkin would walk if they did that? But what they have right now was the alternative...

Wings fans keep usin the gotcha of well we've improved every year, it will keep happening! But thats not how this works.

Yeah I would have liked to see them tank another season.

I believe how Yzerman & the management saw it, that they didn't want players losing their motivation per se. As it could confidence killer as well. Thus why they signed veterans to try being more and more competitive in matches, learning to fight in tight matches and build on that. At some stage that is got to side step or regress, as its not going up every year, this year looks to be that year, where its still development among the players in the current team, but more so development among those projected to be in it 1-2-3 years from now.

 

[Finnen]

The refusal to bottom out an extra year or two will forever remain the biggest head scratcher. Maybe they were scared Larkin would walk if they did that? But what they have right now was the alternative...

Wings fans keep usin the gotcha of well we've improved every year, it will keep happening! But thats not how this works.

Red Wings fans continue to use the word be in the playoffs, a true story: Detroit was big team on Lidström's timeline. We continue the same concept. We need few correct trades 2024-25 and previously summer draft to 2025-26.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Person who wrote tweet, looks like a dumb person to me
Tweet says xGF%
But looks like sorted by xG%

I don't think that changes the conclusion.

That’s literally impossible, without a crystal ball.

That was the point of the question.

 

[Golden_Jet]

I don't think that changes the conclusion.

I was just saying, the guy who wrote the tweet, is not the smartest fish is not the smartest fish in the ocean.

 

[TKB]

Person who wrote tweet, looks like a dumb person to me
Tweet says xGF%
But looks like sorted by xG%


That’s literally impossible, without a crystal ball.

Oh.