Pavels Dog
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Name all the teams that have enough elite talent to carry them to a win within the next 10 years.
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Golden_Jet
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with the Wings being worse
Currently Sens are tied for 16th in league by points percentage. (So mid pack draft)
Wings are drafting 8th overall
WarriorofTime
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If Yzerman's leash is as long as believed, why not just take a look at this season, realize he has Seider and Raymond locked in already, Edvinsson still has another year of ELC.. and say rather than try and pull an analytic aberration to sneak a mediocre roster into a wildcard spot (and likely be an easy out), just make a go for it and take a run at a top 5 pick and potential lotto luck. Colorado only picked 4th the year they were historically bad.. but they got Cale Makar. The Wings rebuild is really still an elite player away and they're not likely to get it picking 11th or crossing their fingers about Nate Danielson to reach a higher threshold than anticipated.
I know it ruins the "steady march to progress" narrative that a couple folks are clinging towards but with many of the key pieces being the big money players, even though their contracts are fine, it's pretty apparent they don't have the elite level talent to make a run at it and aren't Sun Belt-y enough that they'll get a bunch of aberrations from outside the org on great deals. That leaves you with just hoping to get lucky or else it looks like a team that will try and limp into the postseason and be a 1st round exit/maybe a one year where it comes together to make the 2nd round, kinda team.
I know it ruins the "steady march to progress" narrative that a couple folks are clinging towards but with many of the key pieces being the big money players, even though their contracts are fine, it's pretty apparent they don't have the elite level talent to make a run at it and aren't Sun Belt-y enough that they'll get a bunch of aberrations from outside the org on great deals. That leaves you with just hoping to get lucky or else it looks like a team that will try and limp into the postseason and be a 1st round exit/maybe a one year where it comes together to make the 2nd round, kinda team.
Golden_Jet
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Person who wrote tweet, looks like a dumb person to me
Tweet says xGF%
But looks like sorted by xG%
That’s literally impossible, without a crystal ball.
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Subjectively you can say what you want, but objectively they are almost equal. Eichel is a little better, but in general also had better support cast around him.
For the most part Larkin have got decent linemates, but not elite.
So we shall see when the team gets even better and when they get to the playoffs.
I think if you put Larkin on that Vegas team that won, it wouldn't bee much of a difference compared to Eichel.
WarriorofTime
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TSN had Eichel 32nd, Larkin Unranked on their top 50 player list
Sportsnet had Eichel 21st, Larkin Unranked on their top 50 player list
ESPN had Eichel 16th, Larkin 49th on their top 100 player list
Take stuff like this for what it's worth, but there's a clear consensus in the hockey world that Eichel is comfortably a better player than Larkin.
Peasy
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The refusal to bottom out an extra year or two will forever remain the biggest head scratcher. Maybe they were scared Larkin would walk if they did that? But what they have right now was the alternative...
Wings fans keep usin the gotcha of well we've improved every year, it will keep happening! But thats not how this works.
SirKillalot
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Remember Eichel rides of being 2nd overall and being traded to a contender that in the end won the cup. I agree that Eichel is a bit better, but its not a huge amount. He isn't as good as his 2nd overall / comparison with McDavid was thought to be. He is still a very good center, one I would say is elite, but objectively Larkin isn't a lot behind.
Of course most would choose Eichel above Larkin, especially after he got traded from the Sabres.
SirKillalot
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Yeah I would have liked to see them tank another season.
I believe how Yzerman & the management saw it, that they didn't want players losing their motivation per se. As it could confidence killer as well. Thus why they signed veterans to try being more and more competitive in matches, learning to fight in tight matches and build on that. At some stage that is got to side step or regress, as its not going up every year, this year looks to be that year, where its still development among the players in the current team, but more so development among those projected to be in it 1-2-3 years from now.
Red Wings fans continue to use the word be in the playoffs, a true story: Detroit was big team on Lidström's timeline. We continue the same concept. We need few correct trades 2024-25 and previously summer draft to 2025-26.
Pavels Dog
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I don't think that changes the conclusion.
That was the point of the question.
Golden_Jet
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I was just saying, the guy who wrote the tweet, is not the smartest fish is not the smartest fish in the ocean.
I am not a fan of a perpetual tank, but it certainly would have made sense to remain a bottom feeder through the 2023 draft.
Knowing how Yzerman operates I think the Larkin factor was likely a big part to the equation. SFY clearly values character and salary structure, and in that regards Larkin is an important piece. Not that no one will ever make more than he does, but it his contract set a benchmark, and he ended up getting MO and Raymond done on favorable terms.
They probably also felt with the 23 draft they were going to get someone they liked, and they do like Danielson, a lot (not to mention ASP at 15).
thekernel
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10 years is a hilarious stretch of time to make your point with. Connor McDavid hasn't even been in the league 10 years. In the last 10 years Vegas went from not even existing to winning a championship
So far the Red Wings cope in this thread has been:
-They might be relevant in ten years, let Stevie Y cook!
-The rebuild didn't start until Yzerman took over, so the prior years out of the playoffs don't count...
-...but the team wasn't planning to make the playoffs until 2027 anyway, so whatever!
-But watch out, Detroit FOR SURESIES have three #1 D on the way! They also don't need to tank more because...
-1st overall picks are for teams who never win anything! (except like Colorado, Tampa, and Chicago but okay)
What will the new excuses be if they lose to San Jose tonight? Stay tuned!
