Detroit Redwings Downfall

[newfy]

The issue with Detroit is unlike most rebuilds they have no game breaking talent (Matthews, McDavid, Makar etc). Raymond might get there and has shown major strides but other than him, there aint much. Seider has the potential to be one but that remains to be seen.

& while I'm sure they have a good prospect pool there aren't any names except Kasper that really stand out and look like future top line players.

It definitely helps to have that game breaking talent obviously, but its not some prerequisite to building a good team, it just helps a lot. McDavid and Makar are going to go down as some of the top players at their position all time. They have 17 playoff runs between the 2 of them, only one cup and only 3/4 deep runs. Matthews has made it out of the first round once. This website sometimes acts like all rebuilds have a game breaking talent like these 3, but they're extremely rare and not actually crazy successful.

I don't see any reason why the wings cant be a Dallas/Winnipeg/St Louis/Carolina/Vegas/LA while looking at the playoff teams from this year. I know those teams have some studs on them, but its not like Raymond, Seider, and Edvinsson at the very least aren't already/trending to be studs as well.

I'll also say that while Kasper might be trending now to be a legit top 6 center, just last season people on here weren't saying that. If some of these late round picks start panning out and the ones that have already arrived keep their trajectories, they should be able to compete and be a hard outc for anyone come playoff time

 

[SlickHands]

It definitely helps to have that game breaking talent obviously, but its not some prerequisite to building a good team, it just helps a lot. McDavid and Makar are going to go down as some of the top players at their position all time. They have 17 playoff runs between the 2 of them, only one cup and only 3/4 deep runs. Matthews has made it out of the first round once. This website sometimes acts like all rebuilds have a game breaking talent like these 3, but they're extremely rare and not actually crazy successful.

I don't see any reason why the wings cant be a Dallas/Winnipeg/St Louis/Carolina/Vegas/LA while looking at the playoff teams from this year. I know those teams have some studs on them, but its not like Raymond, Seider, and Edvinsson at the very least aren't already/trending to be studs as well.

I'll also say that while Kasper might be trending now to be a legit top 6 center, just last season people on here weren't saying that. If some of these late round picks start panning out and the ones that have already arrived keep their trajectories, they should be able to compete and be a hard outc for anyone come playoff time

Don't cherry pick your examples though. Go back through the past decade of cup winners, who are you going to accuse of not having elite to legendary talent at multiple positions? Crosby/Malkin with two in that time, Makar/MacKinnon with one, Hedman/Kucherov with two, Ovie/Backstrom with one.

The only exceptions that won are arguably Vegas and St Louis, and they both had depth to pair with top end talent at most positions.

 

[MoneyManny]

Trading Larkin could be a great move for the Wings, and he probably won't be in his prime when they're ready to seriously compete.

They could get a better return than the Habs got for Pacioretty and with a bit of luck another core piece to keep going.

 

[WarriorofTime]

Don't cherry pick your examples though. Go back through the past decade of cup winners, who are you going to accuse of not having elite to legendary talent at multiple positions? Crosby/Malkin with two in that time, Makar/MacKinnon with one, Hedman/Kucherov with two, Ovie/Backstrom with one.

The only exceptions that won are arguably Vegas and St Louis, and they both had depth to pair with top end talent at most positions.

Vegas had a strong #1C, strong #1W, an elite #1 D and another D that could reasonably be considered a second Number 1, plus really strong depth. Hard team to replicate and I think their elite-ness of their top players is a bit underrated.

If you generously give Detroit a Stone, Marchessault, Pietrangelo, Theodore, depth equivalent longterm, they still really need an Eichel to match, as Larkin is not as good and older (in a real way, not relative to a specific year) than Eichel (whose Cup win was two years ago).

 

[Fatass]

Trading Larkin could be a great move for the Wings, and he probably won't be in his prime when they're ready to seriously compete.

They could get a better return than the Habs got for Pacioretty and with a bit of luck another core piece to keep going.

Who plays those key minutes at centre that Larkin eats though? That’s a big hole in the lineup.

 

[EveryDay]

Trading Larkin could be a great move for the Wings, and he probably won't be in his prime when they're ready to seriously compete.

They could get a better return than the Habs got for Pacioretty and with a bit of luck another core piece to keep going.

Yeah trade him to MTL, at least he's going to taste what playoff look like.

Dach + 1st 2025 + 1st 2025+ a prospect.

 

[newfy]

Don't cherry pick your examples though. Go back through the past decade of cup winners, who are you going to accuse of not having elite to legendary talent at multiple positions? Crosby/Malkin with two in that time, Makar/MacKinnon with one, Hedman/Kucherov with two, Ovie/Backstrom with one.

The only exceptions that won are arguably Vegas and St Louis, and they both had depth to pair with top end talent at most positions.

I don't disagree with you, obviously elite talent helps a lot. But even with cup winners like you just said, that's 2 of the last 6 that Detroit has an extremely reasonable chance to build. Ovechkin only having one and taking until year 13, McDavid having none, Matthews getting out of the first round only once shows there's a lot more than just elite talent in the equation.

And even a team like Florida last year shows you you don't need to draft elite talent to build a winner either

 

[elmaco]

This ASP guy will surely save Detroit, like Dahlin saved the Sabres.

 

[tabness]

This ASP guy will surely save Detroit, like Dahlin saved the Sabres.

ASP would save the Sabres too, dude is that good

 

[Hockeyfan2390]

ASP would save the Sabres too, dude is that good

I hope that you're right, but as I said before, pump the brakes a bit...he's yet to play a single shift in the NHL.

Nail Yakupov was supposed to be the next hotness at one point, too.