Blue Jays Discussion: Post Non-Waiver Trade Deadline Edition

[Discoverer]

Here is the entire article.

I don't know if there's an actual rule about it here or not, but you shouldn't post the entire content of a subscription-only article.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

It confused me too when I was writing it, but it makes sense.

In short:
Dunedin, Lansing, Vancouver, Rookie Teams are either good or really good. There is enough depth in the lower minors that even with promotions, they should still be good.

New Hampshire and Buffalo suck right now, but New Hampshire has some good players right now and could be good in a few years once some of the lower level guys come up. Buffalo will likely suck for another few years, outside of the depth guys for the Jays and a few higher end guys.

That's pretty much it.

What I don't understand is (1) if we're putting stock into the team performance of our minor league teams and, if so (2) why the hell we're putting stock into the performance of our minor league teams.

Buffalo and New Hampshire could have a cumulative winning percentage of .450 in 2018; if Anthony Alford has a wRC+ of 150, Danny Jansen has a wRC+ of 130, Bo and Vlad have wRC+'s of ~150, and SRF/Borucki/Greene/Zeuch are healthy with FIP's under 3.50, and so on and so forth, I'm happy.

 

[The Nemesis]

Is this more piling onto the "Jose Bautista is on revocable trade waivers?" nonsense?

The world is surly burning to hear Steve Phillips' non-take on the matter.

 

[canucksfan]

Alford is back in the lineup

 

[Discoverer]

What I don't understand is (1) if we're putting stock into the team performance of our minor league teams and, if so (2) why the hell we're putting stock into the performance of our minor league teams.

Buffalo and New Hampshire could have a cumulative winning percentage of .450 in 2018; if Anthony Alford has a wRC+ of 150, Danny Jansen has a wRC+ of 130, Bo and Vlad have wRC+'s of ~150, and SRF/Borucki/Greene/Zeuch are healthy with FIP's under 3.50, and so on and so forth, I'm happy.

Ha, I was wondering about that too.

Quality of prospects and minor league team success are in no way related. If the Jays moved all their struggling AA pitchers to Dunedin, the team would dominate... and it wouldn't make the system better.

 

[canucksfan]

Boruki is pitching another gem.

 

[hockeywiz542]

here are all the players drafted in the top-ten from 2000-2010 that failed to play in 100 major league games (excluding players that were unsigned by the team that drafted them).

out of 110 players that were drafted, 36.3% didn’t suit up for at least 100 major league games. Factor in players who were drafted but didn’t sign and that number goes up to 40.9%. In fact, 18.4% of those top ten picks who signed never even played a single game. And these numbers are just appearances. They don’t include the countless high picks that got into 100 games but did nothing notable throughout their careers. High draft picks are great, but if you aren’t hitting on them, it will drag on an excruciating rebuild.

this isn’t an anti-prospects or anti-draft thing, either. Prospects are the most valuable commodity a team can have. Don’t believe me? Look at what the red sox gave up for chris sale. if you’re a small market team that doesn’t have many real assets, i get the whole wait and see approach. If you have nothing to play for anyway, why not wait a few more years and build up your farm system and hope to get lucky in the draft? This described those early 2010s astros perfectly. They had no path to contention without a full blow up.

That’s not toronto, though.

The blue jays are in a big market and still feeling the effects of back to back alcs berths. The team, despite being in last place in their division for the entire season, are still drawing just over 40 thousand fans per game and once again lead the american league in attendance. I’m not sure ownership would want to blow everything up and sacrifice the next few seasons for a chance to win in five years. as we saw with the astros above, rebuild take a large toll on fan interest. There were some mitigating factors (such as the astros fans not being able to see them on tv), but a blow up will hurt the team’s bottom line. on the baseball side of things, the blue jays still have young, valuable players with years of control remaining around whom the jays can build winners. those astros didn’t have anybody like that.

what the blue jays can and should do is keep being creative. Look at what drew hutchison fetched the team just because the team was able to add salary, which is very similar to what happened with francisco liriano. The increased following for this team allows them to use money to improve the team instead of giving up assets – whether they’re on the big league roster or in the minors. Does this team desperately need some new faces and a retool? Absolutely. But that can be done with shrewd moves and free agency. They shouldn’t take a huge step back and alienate all of the new fans in the process, especially with the draft still being such a hit or miss system.

 

[Canada4Gold]

Borucki seems to be pretty good at this pitching thing. He must feel like he went down a level the way he's carving up these guys in AA for the 3rd start in a row

 

[Discoverer]

Bichette is 0-4.

But Guerrero is 3-3 with a pair of doubles, a walk, and a stolen base.

 

[hockeywiz542]

boruki is pitching another gem.

 

[canucksfan]

Thanks

Only one extra base it, a double.

 

[canucksfan]

Could see him in September. Low 90's fastball but his change up is fantastic

 

[phillipmike]

So when does Oakland offer us their best players for Pannone and Borucki?

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[canucksfan]

So when does Oakland offer us their best players for Pannone and Borucki?

Problem is A's really don't have any good players I would want.

 

[phillipmike]

Yeah. After Gray they dont have much.

Davis is intriguing for an OF spot especially coming to the RC. Semien or Lowrie would be a good utlity guy and insurance for Tulo and Travis.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

So when does Oakland offer us their best players for Pannone and Borucki?

Is this implying that the LHP who is 6"4, with mid-90s velocity, and three plus offerings is equal to two underwhelming stuff, LHP, likely quad-A guys?

One of these things is not like the others.

 

[phillipmike]

Is this implying that the LHP who is 6"4, with mid-90s velocity, and three plus offerings is equal to two underwhelming stuff, LHP, likely quad-A guys?

One of these things is not like the others.

Not at all. Just saying usually when a prospect (mainly pitchers) comes out of no where and becomes more consistent for us Oakland always seems to have interest and/or acquires them. Whether they are notable prospects or not.

Nolin and Graveman come to mind. They wanted Boyd in 2015 for Zobrist before we got Price.

Then a history as well; Magnuson and Farquhar for Rajai Davis.

Deck McGuire, David Purcey, Graham Godfrey and Kristen Bell could be considered. But they were neither good at any point.

 

[Mach85]

Not at all. Just saying usually when a prospect (mainly pitchers) comes out of no where and becomes more consistent for us Oakland always seems to have interest and/or acquires them. Whether they are notable prospects or not.

Nolin and Graveman come to mind. They wanted Boyd in 2015 for Zobrist before we got Price.

Then a history as well; Magnuson and Farquhar for Rajai Davis.

Deck McGuire, David Purcey, Graham Godfrey and Kristen Bell could be considered. But they were neither good at any point.

To be fair, she was great in Forgetting Sarah Marshall and probably made the right call in giving up baseball.

 

[phillipmike]

To be fair, she was great in Forgetting Sarah Marshall and probably made the right call in giving up baseball.

You can see where my mind is... Tristan Bell... My mistake.

 

[Burke the Legend]

What I don't understand is (1) if we're putting stock into the team performance of our minor league teams and, if so (2) why the hell we're putting stock into the performance of our minor league teams.

Buffalo and New Hampshire could have a cumulative winning percentage of .450 in 2018; if Anthony Alford has a wRC+ of 150, Danny Jansen has a wRC+ of 130, Bo and Vlad have wRC+'s of ~150, and SRF/Borucki/Greene/Zeuch are healthy with FIP's under 3.50, and so on and so forth, I'm happy.

I've noticed this in hockey too. There's a lot more people taking notice (and complaining about) of how well AHL teams are doing as if there's some major correlation between that and the amount of big league impact prospects coming up.

Really bizarre stuff. The Canadiens HF forum has really gone nuts over the AHL team and it's supposed rotten management, which media people have seemed to have picked up because I even hear about it in conversation from my friends (people who know/play hockey decently well). Funny to see people talking about it in baseball too.

 

[Woodman19]

Danny Jansen promoted to Buffalo

 

[phillipmike]

Jays to add catcher Raffy Lopez to the roster for the injured Montero. The have an extra spot so no one was sent down or DFA'd.

 

[canucksfan]

Danny Jansen promoted to Buffalo

That's awesome. Likely means a AAA catcher is getting promoted.

EDIT Just missed the post above.