Blue Jays Discussion: Post Non-Waiver Trade Deadline Edition

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Agreed, not as twitchy.
Twitchy enough for 2b? I'm sure he's got the hands.
Athletic enough for an OF spot?

LF...in a Steve Pearce kind of way.

sorry im not sure how this stuff works,

this doesn't have to mean a trade is likely though, right?

Pretty much every player in the league over the age of 27, with a salary over ~$10MM aav will be put on trade waivers this month.

 

[Walshy7]

LF...in a Steve Pearce kind of way.



Pretty much every player in the league over the age of 27, with a salary over ~$10MM aav will be put on trade waivers this month.

ok makes sense thanks

 

[SeaOfBlue]

Maybe a trade for Bautista is still in the cards...

We have Aoki to step right in after all
















Or Hernandez.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

ok makes sense thanks

You're very welcome.

This is fun. https://www.milb.com/milb/news/toolshed-more-to-come-from-late-90s-2000/c-245782044/t-185364810

Quickest to Majors: Bichette -- The 19-year-old has pushed himself into this spot as potentially the first player born in 1998 to reach the Show. Not only is he the only one here who's played at Class A Advanced, he's thriving with the bat and should continue to move quickly. He leads all full-season Minor Leaguers with a .390 average -- a number that's gone up during his 20 games at Dunedin -- and sits third with a 1.051 OPS. He's gone from the No. 66 overall pick in the 2016 Draft to the No. 30 prospect in baseball. Only Gore is ranked higher here, and he's made only three professional starts. Bichette is on a trajectory worth betting on.

Quickest to Majors: Guerrero -- This would be the easy choice, even if Guerrero wasn't already at Class A Advanced right now. The Blue Jays' top prospect has taken extremely well to his first full season, hitting .307/.408/.443 with seven homers in 90 games between Class A Advanced Dunedin and Class A Lansing. He's also shown an advanced approach, walking more times (55) than he's struck out (47). He'll continue to add power as he matures, and that should end up being his loudest tool. Most who have seen Guerrero play in 2017 walk away in disbelief that he's only 18. (He doesn't turn 19 until March 16 next year.) Albies spent his entire age-18 season at Class A Rome, so Guerrero could continue to move even quicker. The Braves infielder did skip Class A Advanced, however, and move straight to Double-A as a 19-year-old. If Guerrero continues to improve in the Florida State League, don't be surprised if Toronto moves him to New Hampshire early next year. Also don't be surprised if the organization uses his lackluster defense to slow down his hype train the closer he gets to the Majors in a similar way to what the Red Sox once did with Rafael Devers.

 

[Suntouchable13]

How is that even news? Everybody and their mother will be on waivers this month. I am pissed that this stuff passes as "news".

 

[Cor]

Wow, Joey Bats on waivers. How the mighty have fallen.

 

[Loosie]

I like the dude, and usually ride for him, and guys in general who play with a little 'F you' in their game. What happened on the field is no issue to me. If someone wants to step out during a windup, and then talk **** after striking out, then the pitcher talking back shouldn't surprise anyone. I will say, both dudes have a bit of little man syndrome going on there.

The stuff on twitter afterwards is weak, and unfortunately, a product of what millennials do these days. I take far far more issue with that. He lost points in my book for that nonsense.

Moreover, any one who took Pillar to the wood shed after his quick-pitch strikeout, F word combo, should not then turn be against Stroman for what happened on the field last night. Though I'm sure the Toronto Media has flown in that direction this morning.

I agree with this. I have no problem with the way he plays the game, I love it when players play with emotion. He's always been one to wear his heart on his sleeve.

But just today he posted a picture of himself graudating from Duke and still had to through something in there about his critics.

 

[canucksfan]

You're very welcome.

This is fun. https://www.milb.com/milb/news/toolshed-more-to-come-from-late-90s-2000/c-245782044/t-185364810

Bats will be ready question is will their defense be ready early. Would be great if Bo can stay at SS and Vlad at 3b.

 

[deletethis]

Everybody gets fooled once by the revocable waivers clickbait media report during a lost season. It's a right of passage for every new baseball fan. It's as old as the Blue Jays' franchise.

 

[LaPlante94]

Everybody gets fooled once by the revocable waivers clickbait media report during a lost season. It's a right of passage for every new baseball fan. It's as old as the Blue Jays' franchise.

I don't get into all the MLB rules and all that stuff so what does this revocable waivers thing mean exactly?

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Everybody gets fooled once by the revocable waivers clickbait media report during a lost season. It's a right of passage for every new baseball fan. It's as old as the Blue Jays' franchise.

9 years younger, actually.

 

[Canada4Gold]

I don't get into all the MLB rules and all that stuff so what does this revocable waivers thing mean exactly?

Players can still be traded after the July 31st trade deadline that just passed, however to trade any player on the extended 40 man roster they must be placed on trade waivers first. Either they clear and can be then traded to anyone, or someone claims them and you can trade them to that team, let them go to that team for free(if they have a contract you'd rather lose), or pull them back and keep them. Teams didn't have to wait until now to place guys on trade waivers, it could have happened for some guys earlier in the year and just wasn't reported because it's not a thing that's overly important to report except when you know someone was claimed and pulled back because it then would mean they can't be traded at this point.

 

[canucksfan]

Maese gets his first start with Lansing since his rehab stint.

 

[phillipmike]

Having 2 trade deadlines is very stupid in the MLB. Should have one in mid-August and be done with it.

Teams sometime wait and think they can get a better deal before the Waiver-deadline. Set a hard deadline in mid August and you see a flurry of deals which is great for the game.

 

[phillipmike]

BA had their mid season Org. rankings updated.

Jays sit 9th.

Dont have access to the entire article but they list the top 7;

http://www.baseballamerica.com/mino...s-updated-trade-deadline/#2Pp6v9cvrq2YPB3o.97

1. Braves
2. White Sox
3. Phillies
4. Padres
5. Astros
6. Rays
7. Yankees

Maybe someone can educate me because i think the White Sox are clearly number 1. Braves are great too but i would take the Sox system. I dont see anything special with the Phillies or Padres - they belong in the top 10 but i take the Yankees and Astros system over them. Rays have a good system but i take the Yankees and Astros over them too.

Again this is all depending on how they view prospects... guys currently in the minors? In the majors? games played?

 

[canucksfan]

BA had their mid season Org. rankings updated.

Jays sit 9th.

Dont have access to the entire article but they list the top 7;

http://www.baseballamerica.com/mino...s-updated-trade-deadline/#2Pp6v9cvrq2YPB3o.97

1. Braves
2. White Sox
3. Phillies
4. Padres
5. Astros
6. Rays
7. Yankees

Maybe someone can educate me because i think the White Sox are clearly number 1. Braves are great too but i would take the Sox system. I dont see anything special with the Phillies or Padres - they belong in the top 10 but i take the Yankees and Astros system over them. Rays have a good system but i take the Yankees and Astros over them too.

Again this is all depending on how they view prospects... guys currently in the minors? In the majors? games played?

I think most prospects lists favour systems that have players closer to the MLB. However, I don't know much about other prospect systems so can't really comment.

Nice to see the Jays are top ten. I think that will get better. Lots of talent at the lower levels and if they continue to progress might be top five.

 

[Stats01]

BA had their mid season Org. rankings updated.

Jays sit 9th.

Dont have access to the entire article but they list the top 7;

http://www.baseballamerica.com/mino...s-updated-trade-deadline/#2Pp6v9cvrq2YPB3o.97

1. Braves
2. White Sox
3. Phillies
4. Padres
5. Astros
6. Rays
7. Yankees

Maybe someone can educate me because i think the White Sox are clearly number 1. Braves are great too but i would take the Sox system. I dont see anything special with the Phillies or Padres - they belong in the top 10 but i take the Yankees and Astros system over them. Rays have a good system but i take the Yankees and Astros over them too.

Again this is all depending on how they view prospects... guys currently in the minors? In the majors? games played?

I'm really surprised the Jays are top 10. Goes to show how massive the potential is for Guerrero and Bichette because outside of SRF our last 2 1st round picks and maybe Urena, Gurriel and Green I think we lack considerable depth in the minors.

If this team decided to tear it down they'd probably reach top 3 or 4 status

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

BA had their mid season Org. rankings updated.

Jays sit 9th.

Dont have access to the entire article but they list the top 7;

http://www.baseballamerica.com/mino...s-updated-trade-deadline/#2Pp6v9cvrq2YPB3o.97

1. Braves
2. White Sox
3. Phillies
4. Padres
5. Astros
6. Rays
7. Yankees

Maybe someone can educate me because i think the White Sox are clearly number 1. Braves are great too but i would take the Sox system. I dont see anything special with the Phillies or Padres - they belong in the top 10 but i take the Yankees and Astros system over them. Rays have a good system but i take the Yankees and Astros over them too.

Again this is all depending on how they view prospects... guys currently in the minors? In the majors? games played?

Braves are above Chicago, imo. And I don't necessarily think it's close. Chicago acquired a lot of guys who carry a lot of risk, and also a few guys who will begin to tumble down lists, notably Giolito.

Kind of unfair to them, but that's what you get when you trade with the Res Sox, Cubs or anything other franchise that has their prospect's values inflated.

 

[canucksfan]

I'm really surprised the Jays are top 10. Goes to show how massive the potential is for Guerrero and Bichette because outside of SRF our last 2 1st round picks and maybe Urena, Gurriel and Green I think we lack considerable depth in the minors.

If this team decided to tear it down they'd probably reach top 3 or 4 status

I think the depth at the lower levels is great. Although some can turn into duds.

 

[hoc123]

Now that the non-waiver trade deadline has passed, here's a look at how the farm systems rank. Consider this a snapshot; these rankings will change as players graduate and others establish themselves more firmly. Players change, and we're always gathering more information, but here's how we see the systems as of Aug. 1.

Best of the Best

1. Braves
The skinny: Our preseason No. 1 still has depth as well as impact talent.

2. White Sox
The skinny: Massive farm system makeover has White Sox nipping on Braves' heels.

Elite Farm Systems

3. Phillies
The skinny: Phillies are still deep in upper-level talent but also helped by improvement from young pitchers.

4. Padres
The skinny: Many of Padres best prospects are in Class A and below, but depth of the farm system is notable.

5. Astros
The skinny: Development of Franklin Perez, Forrest Whitley and Yordan Alvarez boosts already deep group.

6. Rays
The skinny: Depth less notable here than strength of the top prospects.

7. Yankees
The skinny: Even after trading to help bullpen and rotation, Yankees are still loaded.

Near-Elite Farm Systems

8. Brewers
The skinny: Big league Brewers have been better than expected in '17; farm system should keep momentum going in '18.

9. Blue Jays
The skinny: The system is top-heavy, but the trio of Vladimir Guerrero Jr., Bo Bichette and Anthony Alford is a great way to lead off a system.

10. Dodgers
The skinny: Even after Yu Darvish deal, Dodgers have Walker Buehler, Alex Verdugo leading a strong group. L.A. has drafted very well of late.

11. Reds
The skinny: Adding Nick Senzel and Hunter Greene at the top of the last two drafts has buoyed an already deep system.

Middle of the Pack

12. Indians
The skinny: Francisco Mejia/Triston McKenzie are the Indians' battery of the future.

13. Cardinals
The skinny: While 2017 has been a wasted year for Cards in majors, the farm system has gotten deeper and better.

14. Pirates
The skinny: Graduations have thinned the system, but Mitch Keller is still a great No. 1 prospect.

15. Rockies
The skinny: Rockies graduated Jeff Hoffman, German Marquez, Antonio Senzatela and Kyle Freeland, understandably dropping them in the rankings.

16. Athletics
The skinny: Recent trades have helped bolster the system. If Dustin Fowler and James Kaprielian are healthy next year, the A's will climb.

17. Mets
The skinny: Injuries have hurt the Mets at the big league and minor league levels.

18. Nationals
The skinny: The top of the Nationals' Top 10 is really impressive, but system thins out quickly.

Bottom-Third Farm Systems

19. Twins
The skinny: Twins sold off pieces at deadline but lacked the big league talent to land impact prospects in return.

20. Red Sox
The skinny: Michael Chavis' development this year helps a trade-thinned system.

21. Rangers
The skinny: Darvish trade can't fully make up for graduations/trades of past two years.

22. Orioles
The skinny: Austin Hays and Ryan Mountcastle's development provides some hope amidst big league struggles.

23. Mariners
The skinny: Mariners have made a ton of trades, but some have hurt more than they have helped.

24. Diamondbacks
The skinny: Good work by Arizona front office allowed it to land impact bat in J.D. Martinez while retaining top four prospects.

25. Tigers
The skinny: With Alex Faedo and Matt Manning developing in the low minors, Tigers will likely rise in next year's farm system rankings.

Bottom of the Barrel

26. Angels
The skinny: After years of drought, the first green shoots of growth are poking through the topsoil, led by Jordon Adell.

27. Giants
The skinny: Some Giants prospects have taken leaps forward this year, but the lack of impact talent is apparent, as is a lack of upper-level help.

28. Cubs
The skinny: Trades of Eloy Jimenez, Isaac Paredes and Jeimer Candelario leave Cubs with a very pitching-heavy Top 10.

29. Royals
The skinny: Royals managed to help big league club without hurting farm system much, but team lacks any Top 100 Prospects.

30. Marlins
The skinny: Trades, injuries have left Marlins very thin in prospects in full-season ball.

Here is the entire article.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

I think the depth at the lower levels is great. Although some can turn into duds.

Another disclaimer, I only stat watch so do not ask me about pitching mechanics or anything

Everything from Dunedin down looks pretty good. Lansing is up and down, and their .500 record shows that, but the rest are top teams. The nice thing is that there is enough parity throughout that unless people really struggle taking the next step, all of these teams should still be good (Lansing may even improve) with the new promotions coming in.

New Hampshire and Buffalo sucks though. New Hampshire has some good high end guys, but the difference between them and Dunedin is lack of depth beyond those guys. So quality, but lots of holes too. The nice thing about New Hampshire is that most of the team still have some promise. A good chunk of the guys could become late blooming bullpen or bench guys, which the Jays could definitely use this year. So it's far from ideal, but it's acceptable and has a ton of promise going forward. I think it'll be a few years before Buffalo becomes anything more than a group of good depth/bullpen guys for the Jays and otherwise a struggling group of career minor leaguers. Most of the higher end guys there are already splitting time, or should soon find themselves splitting time, with the big club.

 

[Diamond Joe Quimby]

Another disclaimer, I only stat watch so do not ask me about pitching mechanics or anything

Everything from Dunedin down looks pretty good. Lansing is up and down, and their .500 record shows that, but the rest are top teams. The nice thing is that there is enough parity throughout that unless people really struggle taking the next step, all of these teams should still be good (Lansing may even improve) with the new promotions coming in.

New Hampshire and Buffalo sucks though. New Hampshire has some good high end guys, but the difference between them and Dunedin is lack of depth beyond those guys. So quality, but lots of holes too. The nice thing about New Hampshire is that most of the team still have some promise. A good chunk of the guys could become late blooming bullpen or bench guys, which the Jays could definitely use this year. So it's far from ideal, but it's acceptable and has a ton of promise going forward. I think it'll be a few years before Buffalo becomes anything more than a group of good depth/bullpen guys for the Jays and otherwise a struggling group of career minor leaguers. Most of the higher end guys there are already splitting time, or should soon find themselves splitting time, with the big club.

This post confuses me.

 

[SeaOfBlue]

This post confuses me.

It confused me too when I was writing it, but it makes sense.

In short:
Dunedin, Lansing, Vancouver, Rookie Teams are either good or really good. There is enough depth in the lower minors that even with promotions, they should still be good.

New Hampshire and Buffalo suck right now, but New Hampshire has some good players right now and could be good in a few years once some of the lower level guys come up. Buffalo will likely suck for another few years, outside of the depth guys for the Jays and a few higher end guys.

That's pretty much it.

 

[Eyedea]

I'm really surprised the Jays are top 10. Goes to show how massive the potential is for Guerrero and Bichette because outside of SRF our last 2 1st round picks and maybe Urena, Gurriel and Green I think we lack considerable depth in the minors.

If this team decided to tear it down they'd probably reach top 3 or 4 status

Well you omitted Alford, so make that 9 deep, but you're also missing a considerable amount of talent. Teoscar, Jansen, Zeuch, Pentecost, Olivares, Borucki, Maese, Tellez, Adams, Pardinho, Romano, Pannone, I could keep listing 40/45s but I think it's pretty clear that the Jays have depth in the system.

MLB Pipeline is pretty trash with their ceilings (refusal to really go down to 35/40 on backend players of top 30s), but the Jays have 16 listed players with 50 FV potential. Only other teams with that many listed are: White Sox, Brewers, Yankees, Athletics, Phillies, and Padres.

 

[canucksfan]

The depth at AA and AAA to start the year wasn't great but it has improved quite a bit as the year has gone on mostly at AA.