Blue Jays Discussion: Post Non-Waiver Trade Deadline Edition

[MS]

It's such a weird year in the AL standings.

Like, you look at the team's record, and they should be out of it and a seller right now. And they'd be 9 games out in the NL.

But they're only 3.5 games out. And if the team was, say, 62-56 and 3.5 games out, I don't think anyone would be suggesting the team sell. It's just that how disappointing the season is and how disappointing the record is *feels* like the team should be out of contention and a seller.

But then you look at how many teams there are in the hunt and it seems like a big hill. But then you look at how completely underwhelming all of those teams are, and it's easy to get a bit confident.

Just a weird year all around.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[Cor]

I look at the teams ahead of us and I feel very underwhelmed about any of their chances to get to 85-77 TBH. They're all very mediocre. It is of course very different than being 3.5 games behind 1 mediocre teams where they 5 or 6 mediocre teams have a much better chance 1 of them goes on a run to get to 85 or more. But honestly I don't see any of them getting to 85, Jays need to go 28-16 to get there which is a bit of a stretch sure, but it's quite possible nobody even gets to 83. Fangraphs I think is predicting 82 right now, which again with a big number of teams around that area variation makes it more likely just 1 team jumps above that compared to just chasing 1 team, but it wouldn't shock me that much if nobody does. 25-19 could be enough. We're pretty close to the best of these teams in the chase, and have been playing one of the best lately, even with how underwhelming we've played, just not sure we have enough time to play well enough to catch up.

We need to pass 7 teams.

Expecting us to get hot, while all of those teams don't, is simply improbable

 

[Eyedea]

It starts with beating the Rays.

 

[lebdafor norris]

We need to pass 7 teams.

Expecting us to get hot, while all of those teams don't, is simply improbable

The Twin were 4 games below .500 just 10 days ago and now they are only half a game back of the 2nd wild card. Each of this 7 teams competing for that last wild card seems to move slightly under or over the .500 mark on a weekly basis, if the Jays can get their record to 4-6 games above the .500 mark, that might just be enough to allow them to sneak in to the playoffs.

 

[zeke]

keep an eye on the yanks. they've been well under .500 for a good 2 months now.

 

[frost king]

Aaron Judge tonight ties Adam Dunn for most consecutive starts with a K. In reality, tonight was game 32, as he struck out during the streak as a pinch hitter. Welcome back to our world!

 

[dredeye]

Arden Zwelling @ArdenZwelling
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Told of @jonmorosi report Marco Estrada was claimed on waivers, Blue Jays manager John Gibbons: "Nothing's going to happen. We need him."

Don't like Gibby commenting on it. Makes management look bad if they do move him. At this point I'd still move regardless of this little run we're. This team even if we did manage to get in isn't going far.

 

[Cor]

The Twin were 4 games below .500 just 10 days ago and now they are only half a game back of the 2nd wild card. Each of this 7 teams competing for that last wild card seems to move slightly under or over the .500 mark on a weekly basis, if the Jays can get their record to 4-6 games above the .500 mark, that might just be enough to allow them to sneak in to the playoffs.

Yes, LAA is in the 2nd wildcard at 3 games above .500. Thus we need 4-6 above to get a wildcard spot. That is how the standings work

That doesn't change anything. We can't even get to .500, let alone getting 4 games above it. It's going to take quiet the win streak.

Listen, it's technically do able. I'm glad some still believe it can happen. I just don't see it. Looking at the standings, our schedule, it doesn't look great.

 

[Suntouchable13]

Don't like Gibby commenting on it. Makes management look bad if they do move him. At this point I'd still move regardless of this little run we're. This team even if we did manage to get in isn't going far.

They can only trade him to the team that claimed him. Or am I wrong?

 

[habamillions]

They can only trade him to the team that claimed him. Or am I wrong?

That is the only team they can trade him too. That is correct. That is if they even want him anymore lol

 

[dredeye]

They can only trade him to the team that claimed him. Or am I wrong?

If they can't work out a trade with that team in 48 hours I believe he continues down the chain of the remaining teams and can be traded to them. I'm not sure how the process works 100%. May be that only one team put in a claim. Maybe it goes through all teams ahead of the start of the process. Either way if they can get good/great assets back they'd foolish not to move him. They would need to find a pitcher to bring in to finish out the season

 

[Eyedea]

If they can't work out a trade with that team in 48 hours I believe he continues down the chain of the remaining teams and can be traded to them. I'm not sure how the process works 100%. May be that only one team put in a claim. Maybe it goes through all teams ahead of the start of the process. Either way if they can get good/great assets back they'd foolish not to move him. They would need to find a pitcher to bring in to finish out the season

You either a) agree to a trade, b) pull him back, or c) do nothing and give him to the team that claimed him

 

[Canada4Gold]

If they can't work out a trade with that team in 48 hours I believe he continues down the chain of the remaining teams and can be traded to them. I'm not sure how the process works 100%. May be that only one team put in a claim. Maybe it goes through all teams ahead of the start of the process. Either way if they can get good/great assets back they'd foolish not to move him. They would need to find a pitcher to bring in to finish out the season

He doesn't continue down the line. He can only be traded to the team who claimed him, or the Jays pull him back(they could also let him go for nothing but that obviously won't happen). They could then try to put him through trade waivers again, but the 2nd time after they recalled him the first time they aren't able to recall him so they won't ever do that. They also have 72 hours not 48.

http://www.sportsnet.ca/baseball/mlb/trades-can-still-made-mlbs-non-waiver-trade-deadline/

Players can be traded after the non-waiver deadline if they clear trade waivers, but they can also be moved if they get claimed, though only to the team that claims them.

Once a player gets claimed on recallable waivers, his original team has 72 hours to decide whether to recall him. Sometimes, those 72 hours will be spent trying to work out a trade with the claiming team. The leverage the original team has is that if it doesn’t get a return that it likes, it will simply pull the player back off waivers and the claiming team loses the opportunity to acquire him. Of course, that leverage only exists if the claiming team believes that the original team will recall the player but again, very rarely does a team say, “go ahead, take him.â€Â

 

[jetsforever]

Is it just me or is Refsnyder bad at everything?

 

[trellaine201]

Poor Rob, he's certainly having a rough go of it in Toronto.

 

[canucksfan]

Zeuch joins Maese on the DL.

Borucki had another good outing. Pitched 6 scoreless innings and then struggled in the 7th.

 

[hockeywiz542]

 

[hockeywiz542]

MLB umpire Angel Hernandez ejects Ian Kinsler for looking at him.

A night earlier, Kinsler was ejected in the top of the fifth inning of the Tigers’ 6-2 loss to the Rangers for arguing balls and strikes. Of the many pitches Hernandez missed in the game, the particular pitch that drew Kinsler’s ire was a first-pitch strike that sailed low and inside.

After the next pitch went far wide, he asked Hernandez, “What about that one?” and was thrown out.

“I didn't even cuss at him,” Kinsler said. “I said, 'You need to re-evaluate your life, man. Just go home right now. Get out of the game. Just leave the game alone. Please.'”

Kinsler spoke honestly, without any regard for a fine or suspension and was asked multiple times if his quotes were on the record.

“Sure,” he said. “If I get fined for saying the truth, then so be it. He’s messing with baseball games, blatantly.”

Kinsler, an 11-year veteran, unloaded on Hernandez’s performance, saying, “It has to do with changing the game. He’s changing the game. He needs to find another job, he really does.”

And, “I’m just saying it’s pretty obvious that he needs to stop ruining baseball games.” And, “Candidly, leave the game. No one wants you behind the plate anymore. No one in this game wants you behind the plate any more, none of the players.”

Kinsler’s comments likely will resonate with his playing brethren, whom have long complained about Hernandez’s on-field performance. One American League executive who requested anonymity because he was not authorized to speak publicly about umpires performances said about Kinsler’s comments, “He said what 90% of every other player thinks.”

Asked if he thought Hernandez was missing calls on purpose, Kinsler said, “No, I think he's that bad, because he obviously thinks he's good if he's saying the grading system [grades him well). Why is he suing MLB if he doesn't think he's good? I’m not mad at him for being bad. He just needs to go away.”

“Arguing with umpires is part of the game,” Kinsler said. “That’s just part of the game. They’re not perfect and we all know that. And if they’re trying hard to do well, then they at least have the respect of the players. But when an umpire is blatantly missing calls – blatantly, not like, ‘Oh, that could have been a strike,’ or the guy caught it well or visually it looks like a strike and he just missed it – when it’s blatant, like a number of calls yesterday, probably eight pitches that were thrown that were not and some right down the middle that were called balls.”

 

[zeke]

excellent, kinsler. that doofus doesn't deserve the job.

 

[TootooTrain]

His immediate reaction to getting ejected was the best. Just turned around and acts like he isn't surprised considering it's Angel.

 

[lebdafor norris]

I see a suspension coming.

 

[theaub]

Is it just me or is Refsnyder bad at everything?

I don't know how they can keep this guy on the roster

Also speaking of absolute wastemen...Kendrys Morales. Woof.

 

[phillipmike]

Never understood the argument that we have 6 or 7 teams to jump. It would be a legit argument if you needed to jump 6-7 teams in a weekend but you literally have 1.5 months to make up 3.5 games... it can be done and has been done by this very Jays team this season... at least twice.

On April 28th we were 6.5 GB of a wildcard spot and last in the AL. On May 31st we were 2 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot and jumped 6 teams in 33 days or 30 games.

On May 20 we were 5.5 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot and last in the AL. On June 12th we were 1.5 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot and jumped 5 teams in 23 days or 19 games.

Instead of being 6.5 GB back we are 3.5 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot with 43 games remaining. I dont see how that is impossible... Its unlikely but the way i see it is 1 or potentially 2 poor records are gonna make the playoffs in AL... As Russell Wilson's father said to him "why not you (referring him/us)?"

In absolutes this team isnt good but its all relative. And in relation to your competition they have been almost as bad as you.

82-84 win teams have made the playoffs before. FG is predicting the 2nd wildcard can be had with 81-82 wins as of today. I dont see why it cannot be done this year and i dont see why the Jays cannot be the ones to do it. Other teams have as many question marks as we do.

On July 28th we were 7 GB of the 2nd Wildcard spot... Since then we have went 9-8 and we have made up 3.5 games. Think about that we barely played .500 and we MADE UP 3.5 games... that should speak volumes to your competition.

Jumping 7 teams is a reality but not an issue with 43 games remaining. In fact if we won last night we could have jumped 3 teams tonight if we beat Tampa tonight, the Tigers beat the Rangers and the Mariners beat the O's.

 

[nilan30]

Never understood the argument that we have 6 or 7 teams to jump. It would be a legit argument if you needed to jump 6-7 teams in a weekend but you literally have 1.5 months to make up 3.5 games... it can be done and has been done by this very Jays team this season... at least twice.

On April 28th we were 6.5 GB of a wildcard spot and last in the AL. On May 31st we were 2 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot and jumped 6 teams in 33 days or 30 games.

On May 20 we were 5.5 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot and last in the AL. On June 12th we were 1.5 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot and jumped 5 teams in 23 days or 19 games.

Instead of being 6.5 GB back we are 3.5 GB of the 2nd wildcard spot with 43 games remaining. I dont see how that is impossible... Its unlikely but the way i see it is 1 or potentially 2 poor records are gonna make the playoffs in AL... As Russell Wilson's father said to him "why not you (referring him/us)?"

In absolutes this team isnt good but its all relative. And in relation to your competition they have been almost as bad as you.

82-84 win teams have made the playoffs before. FG is predicting the 2nd wildcard can be had with 81-82 wins as of today. I dont see why it cannot be done this year and i dont see why the Jays cannot be the ones to do it. Other teams have as many question marks as we do.

On July 28th we were 7 GB of the 2nd Wildcard spot... Since then we have went 9-8 and we have made up 3.5 games. Think about that we barely played .500 and we MADE UP 3.5 games... that should speak volumes to your competition.

Jumping 7 teams is a reality but not an issue with 43 games remaining. In fact if we won last night we could have jumped 3 teams tonight if we beat Tampa tonight, the Tigers beat the Rangers and the Mariners beat the O's.

Absolutely it can be done, there is enough time. It's just hard to imagine when they haven't been able to put together any sort of sustained hot play all season. Have they had even a 6 game win streak this year? Maybe they're due. I sure hope so because the last two falls were the most I've enjoyed any sports in a loooong time.