Post-Game Talk: Post Game NYI down the Jets

[Howard Chuck]

Yes Howard, I get all that -
But this is a PGT and I was commenting on the game - not the year, or last year or the history of the team.
My sarcasm was more in light of how we can't look at a game without dragging in all the negatives from past games / seasons.

Fair enough. I guess that should really go in the coaching thread.

 

[tbcwpg]

Hellebuyck looked weak on both goals. The first goal he took forever getting over and was really deep in his net. He was outplayed by the other goalie, pure and simple.
Yes, a good team should not lose a game after giving up two goals, but we're not a good team right now.

I think going after Hellebuyck for his play last night is digging a bit far into nitpicking territory. He was very good.

 

[LowLefty]

Fair enough. I guess that should really go in the coaching thread.

The coaching thread is probably full

 

[DannyGallivan]

I think going after Hellebuyck for his play last night is digging a bit far into nitpicking territory. He was very good.

He made three great saves, gave up two weak goals. I'll give him a plus 1 on that scale. So yes, even if he gave up three or four weak goals, the Jets had enough chances to legitimately have outscored the Islanders.

...and if I hear one more excuse that the Jets penalty killers are too "new" to understand the nuances of our system, I'll puke. Our passive system simply sucks - period.

 

[ffh]

I can’t believe I just read this, lol. Copp doesn’t get anywhere near the top 6 on a decent team.

Any top 9 actually

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I can’t believe I just read this, lol. Copp doesn’t get anywhere near the top 6 on a decent team.

Probably not (though we did just see the much worse Tanev go to the top 6 in PIT), but neither does Little.

Little has been ineffective with those wingers 5v5 for a while, Copp is at least helping defensively and getting good possession numbers. I'd prefer the Jets to ride it out with Copp for a larger sample.

 

[1stDan]

He made three great saves, gave up two weak goals. I'll give him a plus 1 on that scale. So yes, even if he gave up three or four weak goals, the Jets had enough chances to legitimately have outscored the Islanders.

...and if I hear one more excuse that the Jets penalty killers are too "new" to understand the nuances of our system, I'll puke. Our passive system simply sucks - period.

This is one of the few complaints I can really get behind. All of the high% PK teams run a very aggressive kill these days.

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

He made three great saves, gave up two weak goals. I'll give him a plus 1 on that scale. So yes, even if he gave up three or four weak goals, the Jets had enough chances to legitimately have outscored the Islanders.

...and if I hear one more excuse that the Jets penalty killers are too "new" to understand the nuances of our system, I'll puke. Our passive system simply sucks - period.

Great saves are often a product of luck. Weak goals on the other hand often indicate a deficiency. Bottom line, a mistake is a mistake, and the good never negates the bad. It's not like reffing.

 

[googleIsMyFriend]

I liked how well jets played in this game. Jets did outmuscle, outwork and outshot opponent but they just couldn't score. I was little bit of surprised that they did shoot blanks, but that is hockey i suppose. Anyway, very promising game.

PoMo is actually good coach. 2nd and 3rd line were on fire today and their TOI was quite high. I liked it. Patty is a beast at the moment, he should shoot more i think. Playmaker-Patrik is a good thing, but he should be more selfish. Heinola played well, he should stay in NHL. He doesn't need to play all the 82 games, when he is tired put him in the PB. This would be a great way to get in NHL.

PK Still suck.

 

[DannyGallivan]

Great saves are often a product of luck. Weak goals on the other hand often indicate a deficiency. Bottom line, a mistake is a mistake, and the good never negates the bad. It's not like reffing.

Absolutely love that commercial.

And as far as great saves goes, so much of it is positional. You ever notice that almost all the time, when you see a great glove save in slow motion replay, the puck more or less was shot into the glove before the goalie made his grand follow-through.

 

[Neuf]

I keep seeing 55 taking the last draws while 17 was on the ice, haunting my dreams

 

[Royale With Cheese]

I think going after Hellebuyck for his play last night is digging a bit far into nitpicking territory. He was very good.

He was. Barzal first goal found the exact 4” spot it could have gone in, at 100 miles an hour yet. Helle was not the problem last night.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Three L's in a row and it's only October.

But it's bad bounces and we deserved better again.

Said the team that doesn't know how to win.

Crap! This game was not like the previous 2.

 

[AKAChip]

He made three great saves, gave up two weak goals. I'll give him a plus 1 on that scale. So yes, even if he gave up three or four weak goals, the Jets had enough chances to legitimately have outscored the Islanders.

...and if I hear one more excuse that the Jets penalty killers are too "new" to understand the nuances of our system, I'll puke. Our passive system simply sucks - period.

Penalty killing is extremely easy. Really the only way you can screw it up is by playing too passive. It’s unbelievable how simple the fix is and yet...

 

[Jetfaninflorida]

The Jets won't do well in the West trying to play a predominantly perimeter offense. Our forwards are showing a complete reluctance to go to the net against eastern conference teams (Lowry excepted). We are going to be an easy stop on the schedule for Western conference teams other than bottom dwellers like the Wild if what we have seen through the first 9 games is representative of how we are going to play this year.

 

[Board Bard]

I keep seeing 55 taking the last draws while 17 was on the ice, haunting my dreams

Maurice is getting you ready for Halloween. Don't fall asleep on the 31st.

 

[rkp]

I don't see the players quitting on the coach....sometimes their motivation is questionable.
A new coach will only confirm the depth issues and character issues in the locker room.
Who will we blame then. Edmonton tried 5 (?) Different coaches same result.

The new reality.


and how long should this group of players/org stick with PoMo?...till they are no longer functional as players....look at Buffalo, St Louis and yes Edmonton with a new coach..

Buff is missed on PP&PK...don't want him back
Time is needed to gel with 5 key losses of personnel
Cap hockey sucks

 

[Tommigun]

Two games in a row the PK lost it for us. Something has to change. Can’t win a lot of games with a 50% PK.

 

[Robinson2187]

My ongoing frustration with Wheeler stems less from the giving, more from the receiving. He can be a real klutz out there. I don't recall when I first started noticing this but it's been quite a while, certainly last season and probably beyond. Maybe I'm just excessively focused on it now, but every game I can't help but shake my head at the number of times the flow of play is disrupted because he's bobbled a puck put right on his stick.

I wish someone would go all Colonel Jessup on him.

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Yeah he's always been a bit of a klutz at times. His first 2 or 3 games were outstanding, going to the net more, skating great and more upright and controlling the puck better. He's fallen off a bit.

 

[raideralex99]

He made three great saves, gave up two weak goals. I'll give him a plus 1 on that scale. So yes, even if he gave up three or four weak goals, the Jets had enough chances to legitimately have outscored the Islanders.

...and if I hear one more excuse that the Jets penalty killers are too "new" to understand the nuances of our system, I'll puke. Our passive system simply sucks - period.

Watch that first goal again. Hellebuyck was screened on that play ... he had to look around the Islander player who was standing right in front of him. That split second to see who had the puck made him a second too late to get all the way across the crease.
This is WFT is matter with the Jets PP nobody goes to the front of the net. I guess they are scared to get hit by a Laine shot or a big defenceman ... wimps. Seriously any goalie can stop a puck they can see from the blue line.

 

[DannyGallivan]

This is WFT is matter with the Jets PP nobody goes to the front of the net. I guess they are scared to get hit by a Laine shot or a big defenceman ... wimps. Seriously any goalie can stop a puck they can see from the blue line.

Agree totally.

 

[Jimmyjets]

I keep seeing 55 taking the last draws while 17 was on the ice, haunting my dreams

Was so strange. After the icing the Jets bench was screaming they wanted the faceoff at the other dot but the linesman wouldn't move it over. Then the Jets called a timeout but I just wonder what the screw up was there and who elects which dot they use?

Who said they wanted it on that dot? The coaches clearly wanted it on the other side so Lowry could take the draw. Linesman doesn't move it over. We lose the draw and they pot an empty netter. Just the cherry on top of a frustrating game that we should have won.

 

[sipowicz]

Probably not (though we did just see the much worse Tanev go to the top 6 in PIT), but neither does Little.

Little has been ineffective with those wingers 5v5 for a while, Copp is at least helping defensively and getting good possession numbers. I'd prefer the Jets to ride it out with Copp for a larger sample.

There's never been a problem with Little's defensive game! Even most Copp proponents just have to admit, 1 goal and 2 assists through 9 games playing with Connor and Ehlers isn't good. Copp doesn't make Connor or Ehlers better and in fact takes away from their potential offence, anyone but Copp with Connor and Ehlers would be a huge improvement!

 

[Howard Chuck]

Watch that first goal again. Hellebuyck was screened on that play ... he had to look around the Islander player who was standing right in front of him. That split second to see who had the puck made him a second too late to get all the way across the crease.
This is WFT is matter with the Jets PP nobody goes to the front of the net. I guess they are scared to get hit by a Laine shot or a big defenceman ... wimps. Seriously any goalie can stop a puck they can see from the blue line.

Both PP goals in the previous game as well.

I don't know why we never have anyone in front of the net, either on the PP or 5x5.

 

[raideralex99]

Agree totally.

Hopefully on Sunday Maurice and the Jets can learn something from Jame Neal ... how easy it is to score goals on the PP just by standing in front of the net.