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To Toronto-
Scott Laughton
Travis Konecny

To Philadelphia-
Mitch Marner
Nick Robertson

Resign Accari 2yrs/1 million
Resign O'Reilly 3yrs/4.5 million
Resign Schenn 2yrs/800k
Resign Samsonov 4yrs/4 million
Sign Bertuzzi 4yrs/3.5 million
Sign Mayfield 4 yrs/2 million
LTIR Murray or trade with sweetener for minimal return

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-O'Reilly-Konecny
Bertuzzi-Laughton-Jarnkrok
McMann-Holmberg-Accari

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-Mayfield
Brodie-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll
 
To Toronto-
Scott Laughton
Travis Konecny

To Philadelphia-
Mitch Marner
Nick Robertson

Resign Accari 2yrs/1 million
Resign O'Reilly 3yrs/4.5 million
Resign Schenn 2yrs/800k
Resign Samsonov 4yrs/4 million
Sign Bertuzzi 4yrs/3.5 million
Sign Mayfield 4 yrs/2 million
LTIR Murray or trade with sweetener for minimal return

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-O'Reilly-Konecny
Bertuzzi-Laughton-Jarnkrok
McMann-Holmberg-Accari

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-Mayfield
Brodie-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll
Sign Mayfield 4 yrs/2 million. Maybe double that and then some and ...............maybe (?). As a UFA he'll find that elsewhere.
 
To Toronto-
Scott Laughton
Travis Konecny

To Philadelphia-
Mitch Marner
Nick Robertson


Resign Accari 2yrs/1 million
Resign O'Reilly 3yrs/4.5 million
Resign Schenn 2yrs/800k
Resign Samsonov 4yrs/4 million
Sign Bertuzzi 4yrs/3.5 million
Sign Mayfield 4 yrs/2 million
LTIR Murray or trade with sweetener for minimal return

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-O'Reilly-Konecny
Bertuzzi-Laughton-Jarnkrok
McMann-Holmberg-Accari

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-Mayfield
Brodie-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll
Can I trade you these 2 shiny nickels for your Hundred dollar bill and your nickel?
 
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To Toronto-
Scott Laughton
Travis Konecny

To Philadelphia-
Mitch Marner
Nick Robertson

Resign Accari 2yrs/1 million
Resign O'Reilly 3yrs/4.5 million
Resign Schenn 2yrs/800k
Resign Samsonov 4yrs/4 million
Sign Bertuzzi 4yrs/3.5 million
Sign Mayfield 4 yrs/2 million
LTIR Murray or trade with sweetener for minimal return

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-O'Reilly-Konecny
Bertuzzi-Laughton-Jarnkrok
McMann-Holmberg-Accari

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-Mayfield
Brodie-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll
I love this lineup if it's possible. Lafferty replacing McMann though since he's signed for one more year.
 
JT Miller is literally a nightmare scenario. I wouldn’t take him for free. Legitimately bad contract. He will only decline from here on out.
He’s gritty, plays all 3 FW positions, good on the dot, really good on the PK. And locked up for $8M.

Yes his contract is long, but for what he brings $8M is a solid deal.
 
To Toronto-
Scott Laughton
Travis Konecny

To Philadelphia-
Mitch Marner
Nick Robertson

Resign Accari 2yrs/1 million
Resign O'Reilly 3yrs/4.5 million
Resign Schenn 2yrs/800k
Resign Samsonov 4yrs/4 million
Sign Bertuzzi 4yrs/3.5 million
Sign Mayfield 4 yrs/2 million
LTIR Murray or trade with sweetener for minimal return

Knies-Matthews-Nylander
Tavares-O'Reilly-Konecny
Bertuzzi-Laughton-Jarnkrok
McMann-Holmberg-Accari

Rielly-Schenn
McCabe-Mayfield
Brodie-Liljegren
Giordano

Samsonov
Woll

The trade is brutal for the Leafs and none of those guys are signing for that little except maybe Samsonov.

Mayfield especially can probably get double that in UFA, and if he was willing to take that little, he would probably just stay on Long Island.

Holmberg is also not a good enough center to be a center in the NHL.
 
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If the Hurricanes lose to the Panthers, thoughts on a trade around Marner for Pesce, Jarvis +

Marner is a superstar that Carolina lacks. Jarvis has a huge motor and has 1st line potential and Pesce would be the leafs best defensive d man

Carolina’s offence would be


Svech Aho Marner
Teravainen Kotkaniemi Necas
 
here is a blockbuster trade
To Toronto
Owen Power
Dylan Cozens
Zemgus Girgensons
3 first round pick 2023 draft
To Buffalo
Austin Mathews 50% retained
Mitch Marner

this is the type of trade Toronto needs to do
 
really good on the PK.
There's actually ways to measure PK impact. EvolvingHockey measure PK GAR. Miller was 455th among regular forwards in PK impact this year - or 11th worst in the league. He is not good on the PK. He is the 4th worst forward on the PK in the NHL over the last 3 seasons.
He’s gritty, plays all 3 FW positions, good on the dot, really good on the PK. And locked up for $8M.

Yes his contract is long, but for what he brings $8M is a solid deal.
I will give you gritty, I don't watch the Canucks enough to disagree. I think playing all 3 forward positions is irrelevant. If you are acquiring him you want him to play C. His deal is going to age very poorly. He is signed for 8 more years. Leafs fans are concerned about Tavares' play declining in his age 32 season. Miller will be signed until he's 38.
 
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He’s gritty, plays all 3 FW positions, good on the dot, really good on the PK. And locked up for $8M.

Yes his contract is long, but for what he brings $8M is a solid deal.
What I like about JT Miller is that he hates losing and he is far from being a nice guy.He is someone who love the villain in this market but he will produce esp in playoffs.
 
Get Matthews signature on a contract extension well before July 1. That gives you time to shop Marner before his no move kicks in.

Calgary for Anderson, Dube, +
Columbus for Werenski, Kuraly, +
Detroit for Seider
New York for Miller, Lafreniere
Philly for Provorov, Laughton, +

If Matthews is not signed, trade him and keep Marner.
 
Get Matthews signature on a contract extension well before July 1. That gives you time to shop Marner before his no move kicks in.

Calgary for Anderson, Dube, +
Columbus for Werenski, Kuraly, +
Detroit for Seider
New York for Miller, Lafreniere
Philly for Provorov, Laughton, +

If Matthews is not signed, trade him and keep Marner.
Just a gut feeling but I think Mathews has had enough of the Toronto media circus and wants out even if he sighs an extension the cap hit is not worth it and Marner is not worth the cap hit now and needs to be in a less stressful market both need to be traded
 
What I like about JT Miller is that he hates losing and he is far from being a nice guy.He is someone who love the villain in this market but he will produce esp in playoffs.
I agree 100%. I think he would be a solid target. Dude just wants to win and adds a nice gritty element we lack in our top players.
There's actually ways to measure PK impact. EvolvingHockey measure PK GAR. Miller was 455th among regular forwards in PK impact this year - or 11th worst in the league. He is not good on the PK. He is the 4th worst forward on the PK in the NHL over the last 3 seasons.

I will give you gritty, I don't watch the Canucks enough to disagree. I think playing all 3 forward positions is irrelevant. If you are acquiring him you want him to play C. His deal is going to age very poorly. He is signed for 8 more years. Leafs fans are concerned about Tavares' play declining in his age 32 season. Miller will be signed until he's 38.
Advanced stats are meaningless 74.3% of the time.

Canucks have had the worst PK (possibly ever?) for the longest time. It’s definitely a team/system issue. I’ve watched enough Canucks games to know that Miller is absolutely a net positive on the PK. He puts a lot of pressure on opposing D, and generates a lot of offence going the other way. He’d be able to fill the role that Marner plays on our PK. But he actually has some balls.
 
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Advanced stats are meaningless 74.3% of the time.
How can I argue with a great hockey mind like yourself.
Canucks have had the worst PK (possibly ever?) for the longest time. It’s definitely a team/system issue. I’ve watched enough Canucks games to know that Miller is absolutely a net positive on the PK. He puts a lot of pressure on opposing D, and generates a lot of offence going the other way. He’d be able to fill the role that Marner plays on our PK. But he actually has some balls.
I won't discount the fact that they're system is bad, I just don't believe the player with the worst PK impact on the Canucks (by the numbers) is "really good on the PK".
 
Keefe has split up Matthews and Marner on various occasions. Matthews + Marner is better than Matthews + Nylander, and Tavares + Nylander is better in possession than Tavares + Marner without much more offensive output. The only thing is that fewer goals against are scored with Marner vs. Nylander.

Matthews + Marner were huge (together) in getting the Leafs past Tampa. The real issue is that one or both just seem to go on streaks in the playoffs and when they are at a low point, it doesn't really matter who you put them with. They'll bring down the entire line regardless.



Yeah I have no idea what happened with the PK but it probably correlates with the defense not playing particularly well in the playoffs either.

It was top 10 in the regular season.

I think the focus should be on the bottom 6. If we are keeping the Core 4, then the other two guys should be Jarnkrok and Knies. Or possibly Robertson is in that mix. Nobody we realistically can afford to put up there is going to help those core guys any more than they need to just help themselves. Jarnkrok did not do much in the playoffs but he was really good in the regular season and his linemates didn't help him much either, while Knies looked the part of a top 6 forward so he should be used as one again. We only have 1 bottom 6er from last year signed (Lafferty) and we need to figure out replacements for Kampf and ROR especially.
Correction

16 & 34 were great together in the regular season
No matter how bad they played in playoffs keefe was going down with them together.

And they were huge? Vs Tampa?
One game maybe but we didn’t get by because of them
Huge was Samsonov and rielly
 
Correction

16 & 34 were great together in the regular season
No matter how bad they played in playoffs keefe was going down with them together.

And they were huge? Vs Tampa?
One game maybe but we didn’t get by because of them
Huge was Samsonov and rielly

Marner + Matthews First round vs. Tampa at all strengths: 13GF, 2GA, 72.31 xGF%. 5-1 at 5-on-5 with an even higher xGF%.

Some of that was from Rielly going ham of course, and they did have some rough moments at times too, but if they played like they did against Tampa we arguably sweep Florida.

It was the second round where they were only 3GF, 3GA that it was the issue. Not from a lack of chances; they still had a 66.8 xGF%.
 
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The only way you consider a Marner trade is if you are getting a group of players back who can fill his offensive and defensive impact while also saving you around $2-3M in cap.

Obviously not a lot of realistic trades that fit the criteria.
 
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Marner + Matthews First round vs. Tampa at all strengths: 13GF, 2GA, 72.31 xGF%. 5-1 at 5-on-5 with an even higher xGF%.

Some of that was from Rielly going ham of course, and they did have some rough moments at times too, but if they played like they did against Tampa we arguably sweep Florida.

It was the second round where they were only 3GF, 3GA that it was the issue. Not from a lack of chances; they still had a 66.8 xGF%.
This is an every year thing now though. A lot of these stats look better because of the blowouts or high scoring games that happen in the 1st 2-3 games of the series. Then it's pretty much nothing after that. Marner for example got 14 points total in 11 games. You see just that and be like damn he was killing it, then you see he got 10 of those points in the 1st 4 games and it's like wtf happened for the last 7. This has been the common occurrence now the last 3 playoffs and it's like when the games tighten up we need them to find ways to put the puck in the net.
 
The only way you consider a Marner trade is if you are getting a group of players back who can fill his offensive and defensive impact while also saving you around $2-3M in cap.

Obviously not a lot of realistic trades that fit the criteria.

That is probably the toughest thing. A lot of the suggestions I am seeing are significantly worse than continuing with this core. If you are trading any of them, it has to be for a deal that can realistically make us better if not right away, then within the next couple of years. That is unless you 100% know they are not re-signing with us.

I mean just look at the outrage we received for moving Kadri? We received more than fair value for him, and he had nowhere near the quality or value of any of our core forwards right now plus had a lot more baggage, and yet people still are calling that a terrible deal... Only for them to suggest even worse deals for our even better players.
 
This is an every year thing now though. A lot of these stats look better because of the blowouts or high scoring games that happen in the 1st 2-3 games of the series. Then it's pretty much nothing after that. Marner for example got 14 points total in 11 games. You see just that and be like damn he was killing it, then you see he got 10 of those points in the 1st 4 games and it's like wtf happened for the last 7. This has been the common occurrence now the last 3 playoffs and it's like when the games tighten up we need them to find ways to put the puck in the net.

I am not disputing anything you are saying. I am just countering that Matthews + Marner did actually play fairly well together against Tampa... And had they kept that up, then we are probably in the Conference Finals right now.

Now the issue with them not keeping it up is another thing, but it is also a thing that I don't think gets solved by swapping Nylander and Marner. Especially when they are still getting their chances.

If Matthews + Marner were getting completely stifled for opportunities, then maybe it makes sense to switch their lines. But if your players are getting Grade A chance after Grade A chance and simply can't convert, switching up the lines won't do much. Why would you? The lines are working exactly how you want them to work. Players need to do their jobs.

It's an unfortunate recurring theme that I am sure frustrates the coaches and management more than the players. It is basic execution and fundamentals that other teams seem to be able to get more than us. And IDC what coach or what system you are running, you are not having much success if you fumble pucks, can't complete basic passes, make mistakes with limited pressure, or miss Grade A chances time after time. And that is what happened to us. Maurice and Cooper (and the other coaches before them) didn't do anything special other than playing aggressive on the forecheck and clogging up the middle of the ice. Sure that made it hard to just jam pucks in or clean up garbage, but it is not like it prevented us from having more than enough opportunities to score. And then usually at the other end (fortunately not in these playoffs for once), our guys just make a sloppy play or our goalie gives up a weak goal and the other team can just squeak by after that.

I know some people who have worked in NHL front offices and they said that the two most frustrating places to be are either being a mediocre team in limbo so you are not good enough to really make noise but also not bad enough to get picks and players that can set you up for the future, and having a very well-constructed team that can absolutely win but can't get the job done. Because in the end, what do they do? Short of finding some unicorn deal where they get an amazing package which makes the team better by trading one of the better players in the league, their choices are to either stay the course and continue doing their jobs well by setting up the team for success and hope they eventually get the job done, or to make the team worse and finding a new mix of players who can hopefully can get the job done instead. Dubas has chosen the former, but I guess eventually they'll need to go with the latter.
 
Marner + Matthews First round vs. Tampa at all strengths: 13GF, 2GA, 72.31 xGF%. 5-1 at 5-on-5 with an even higher xGF%.

Some of that was from Rielly going ham of course, and they did have some rough moments at times too, but if they played like they did against Tampa we arguably sweep Florida.

It was the second round where they were only 3GF, 3GA that it was the issue. Not from a lack of chances; they still had a 66.8 xGF%.
Man I don’t get why so many of you want dubas fired
U cling on to whatever stats helps you prove whatever point your trying to make

Where everyone else sees on the ice a matthews and marner that hurt us as much as help us win games

Where are the stats with all the dumb turnovers and shy away from the hard parts of the ice to avoid contact. I bet you also justify a huge raise for these two

Keep on with these two
We’re going far
 
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