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TMLAM34 said:
Like I mentioned before, we’ll need to refocus on acquiring a top pairing defenceman this off-season.

Keefe is asking and relying on Brodie way too much while his game has slipped these past two seasons.

Rielly - ________
McCabe - Liljegren
Brodie - Timmins
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I don't see which team is trading the defenseman the Leafs need. I don't think anyone parts with a legitimate #1 defenseman, especially RHD for any of Marner/Matthews/Nylander due to their contracts expiring soon and their current cap hits.

The best bet is to look for the next #1D in a trade. Target Morrow from CAR in a Marner deal and/or Clarke from LAK in a Matthews deal.

Maybe Buffalo deals Power for Marner but I doubt it. Maybe they can pry Theodore out of Vegas for one of the 3 forwards but I don't see VGK moving on from him. Maybe Rasmus Andersson becomes available but I also don't see that.
 
Americanadian said:
I don't see which team is trading the defenseman the Leafs need. I don't think anyone parts with a legitimate #1 defenseman, especially RHD for any of Marner/Matthews/Nylander due to their contracts expiring soon and their current cap hits.

The best bet is to look for the next #1D in a trade. Target Morrow from CAR in a Marner deal and/or Clarke from LAK in a Matthews deal.

Maybe Buffalo deals Power for Marner but I doubt it. Maybe they can pry Theodore out of Vegas for one of the 3 forwards but I don't see VGK moving on from him. Maybe Rasmus Andersson becomes available but I also don't see that.
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Pulock, Theodore, Andersson, Murphy, Carlo, Pesce, Weegar. All solid players I’d look into.
 
Pulock for Marner would be a nice trade, would be nice to finally have a booming shot from point.

Nylander plus Lilly for Helybuck plus Lowry
Target a good UFA winger.
 
Americanadian said:
I don't see which team is trading the defenseman the Leafs need. I don't think anyone parts with a legitimate #1 defenseman, especially RHD for any of Marner/Matthews/Nylander due to their contracts expiring soon and their current cap hits.

The best bet is to look for the next #1D in a trade. Target Morrow from CAR in a Marner deal and/or Clarke from LAK in a Matthews deal.

Maybe Buffalo deals Power for Marner but I doubt it. Maybe they can pry Theodore out of Vegas for one of the 3 forwards but I don't see VGK moving on from him. Maybe Rasmus Andersson becomes available but I also don't see that.
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Andersson in Calgary is the D I wonder about, Saros for a goalie option. Both teams are comfortable moving big pieces, could use offense and need a spark
 
TMLAM34 said:
Pulock, Theodore, Andersson, Murphy, Carlo, Pesce, Weegar. All solid players I’d look into.
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I'd be surprised if Lou moves off Pulock but he'd be a great target. I don't think Murphy is much better than McCabe, he wouldn't be someone I'd expect to anchor a first pair. Carlo likely isn't moving due to Boston's RD depth - they will move Grzelcyk/Reilly/Forbort first. I also don't see Carolina moving Pesce and even then he's a UFA after next season (also not the guy to anchor a first pair). Weegar I'd love and considered putting over Andersson in my initial post but I don't see Calgary moving him before his new contract starts. He will also be 30 next season on the first year of an 8 year deal.

leafan11 said:
Marner for Seider
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I see no way Detroit does that. The team control on Seider vs Marner far outweighs the actual talent gap.

I imagine any team that trades for Marner believes they can win the cup in the next 2 seasons. Detroit doesn’t fall under that group. They’d have 0 NHL RD in this scenario.
 
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Leaffan1991 said:
Pulock for Marner would be a nice trade, would be nice to finally have a booming shot from point.

Nylander plus Lilly for Helybuck plus Lowry
Target a good UFA winger.
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Marner for Dobson maybe. I like Pulock I just don’t like the age for in a Marner deal. I’d ask for Pageau as the cap balancing piece.
 
Do we check in on teams like Colorado, New York and Winnipeg to see what kind of pieces are available from other disappointed teams?

Sam Girard, Devon Toews and Bo Byram are all interesting as speedy puck movers to upgrade the skill on D.

Pierre-Luc Dubois is a basket case destined for Montreal, but do you see if he would want to be a Leaf?

Rangers. K’Andre Miller and that heavy hitter from Boston is interesting to me on D. Maybe scoop up Kakko and Lafreniere for young reclamation projects.

I’ll make a shopping list from all 32 teams.
 
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No matter who you trade in terms of core player, you're gonna lose the trade probably and it's gonna suck. That doesn't mean they can't be a better team for it. I kind of see it like when Boston gave up Joe Thornton for scraps and ended up being a contender for a long time. When Colorado had to ditch Duchene, they turned it around, I think we know what happened. Just 2 examples that jump out to me, there are probably other ones.

This isn't to say it can't completely blow up in the Leafs face if they make a franchise defining trade, but I hope whoever makes that trade isn't someone like Brian Burke or Chuck Fletcher.
 
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SprDaVE said:
No matter who you trade in terms of core player, you're gonna lose the trade probably and it's gonna suck. That doesn't mean they can't be a better team for it. I kind of see it like when Boston gave up Joe Thornton for scraps and ended up being a contender for a long time. When Colorado had to ditch Duchene, they turned it around, I think we know what happened. Just 2 examples that jump out to me, there are probably other ones.

This isn't to say it can't completely blow up in the Leafs face if they make a franchise defining trade, but I hope whoever makes that trade isn't someone like Brian Burke or Chuck Fletcher.
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I think the parameters of trading any one of Matthews, Marner or Nylander would be contingent on getting cheap futures back and allow you to also spend their cap money on UFAs. So you double dip in the initial trade and also spend the cash again. That would be my general framework as a keyboard president.
 
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Stephen said:
I think the parameters of trading any one of Matthews, Marner or Nylander would be contingent on getting cheap futures back and allow you to also spend their cap money on UFAs. So you double dip in the initial trade and also spend the cash again. That would be my general framework as a keyboard president.
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You’re both on the right path. Cap hit and team control are worth a lot of value that is lost in current skill when making these moves.

Personally my 3 moves as of today are:
Matthews @50% for Byfield, Clarke, Iafallo, Walker

Nylander for Garland, Myers, 11OA

Marner for Morrow, Jarvis, 23 1st

Take on cap dumps in Walker and Myers while accumulating young players. Take a down year in 23-24 when the Leafs own their 1st round pick. In 24-25 the cap goes up to 87.5M and the Leafs clear Murray/Myers/Walker/Brodie/Matthews retention and can splurge in UFA or in trade and go for contention again.
 
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SprDaVE said:
No matter who you trade in terms of core player, you're gonna lose the trade probably and it's gonna suck. That doesn't mean they can't be a better team for it. I kind of see it like when Boston gave up Joe Thornton for scraps and ended up being a contender for a long time. When Colorado had to ditch Duchene, they turned it around, I think we know what happened. Just 2 examples that jump out to me, there are probably other ones.

This isn't to say it can't completely blow up in the Leafs face if they make a franchise defining trade, but I hope whoever makes that trade isn't someone like Brian Burke or Chuck Fletcher.
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The legitimate fear that I have, is we might see something similar to what happened with Calgary and Florida trade last summer with the Leafs trading parts of the core for older veterans to help with now (with Toronto basically being Calgary in this situation not Florida lol)

I don't believe for a moment that whoever the GM is this summer (including even if it's still Dubas) Will be allowed to do yet another rebuild through the draft - meaning they will be expected to start winning as much as possible right away.

So people may want top 10 picks for Marner or Nylander, But I don't think that's going to happen.
 
Menzinger said:
The legitimate fear that I have, is we might see something similar to what happened with Calgary and Florida trade last summer with the Leafs trading parts of the core for older veterans to help with now (with Toronto basically being Calgary in this situation not Florida lol)

I don't believe for a moment that whoever the GM is this summer (including even if it's still Dubas) Will be allowed to do yet another rebuild through the draft - meaning they will be expected to start winning as much as possible right away.

So people may want top 10 picks for Marner or Nylander, But I don't think that's going to happen.
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Whatever we do, I cannot see us getting a return better than what we give up.
We just better hope and pray they just happen to click and fit better.
 
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uncleben said:
Whatever we do, I cannot see us getting a return better than what we give up.
We just better hope and pray they just happen to click and fit better.
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They will definitely be trade losses.

Another reason why veterans might be the target, beacuse I think the Leafs will have more opportunities to potentially turn Marner into a 28 to 30ish year-old first line winger, along with a similarly aged top four d-man a lot easier than it will be to get multiple blue chip futures.

I really would love to be wrong about this.
 
Menzinger said:
They will definitely be trade losses.

Another reason why veterans might be the target, beacuse I think the Leafs will have more opportunities to potentially turn Marner into a 28 to 30ish year-old first line winger, along with a similarly aged top four d-man a lot easier than it will be to get multiple blue chip futures.

I really would love to be wrong about this.
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I don’t see it. Can you think of potential trades that fit this mold?
 
I see Calgary brought up a lot, but don't forget, those guys hated their coach and Markstrom absolutely stunk it up this year. Kadri, Weegar and Huberdeau were good acquisitions. They'll bounce back.
 
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Americanadian said:
I mean a potential deal that the Leafs could make where they get a top line winger and top 4 RHD between 28-30 years old that make sense for both teams. I can’t find it.
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It might not necessarily fall into that exact pattern. But say Marner for TJ Miller + another player from Vancouver
 
lol if we trade Matthews we will be out a 1C again for another 12 years; I'd like to remind everyone how long it took us to get a 1C after Sundin left. So be careful what you wish for we will lose a trade like that and likely still won't find playoff success

Menzinger said:
It might not necessarily fall into that exact pattern. But say Marner for TJ Miller + another player from Vancouver
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JT miller should not be on this team; lol

I'd look to pry Kyle Connor out of Winnipeg based around Marner.
 
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WillNy29 said:
JT miller should not be on this team; lol

I'd look to pry Kyle Connor out of Winnipeg based around Marner.
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I personally wouldn't do that trade either, but I'm just worried that it's the type of thing that might end up happening. Kyle Connor could potentially be a target. He's a lesser player than Marner but signed for cheaper longer term - something else that may happen.
 
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