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SeaOfBlue said:
Monahan still seems like the obvious choice given the weak market, his history with Treliving, and since he has had injury issues, his contract should reflect that.

Matthews - Tavares - Monahan would be a pretty devastating 1-2-3 punch down the middle if everyone is healthy though.
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Monahan seems like a safe bet
 
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SeaOfBlue said:
Interesting choice, unless you are accounting for the fact that Holl should be making a lot more money on the open market than Clifton, given Holl has outplayed Clifton while also playing in a tougher role.
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Meh, I couldn’t care any less about his QoC or other analytics; he’s just another microcosm of this soft team that isn’t quantifiable with stats regurgitated from Natural Stat Trick, etc.

I’ve watched Clifton a lot and his mentality isn’t measurable with stats
 
Mr Knies Guy said:
Meh, I couldn’t care any less about his QoC or other analytics; he’s just another microcosm of this soft team that isn’t quantifiable with stats regurgitated from Natural Stat Trick, etc.

I’ve watched Clifton a lot and his mentality isn’t measurable with stats
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Clifton is a little prick.. great to have emotion and effort like that on the backend depending on his price of course
 
the real Fox mulder said:
If Matthew won't resign and we won't be able to maximize his trade value. Would a deal of Auston Matthew for Sebastian Aho work. Both are UFA next year. I don't know if Carolina needs to add a bit more because of Matthew the better player. This deal only works if both player agree to sign a contract extension.
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Maybe Aho + Pesce, all of them are UFA next year.

Something like the Tkachuk trade.
 
Mr Knies Guy said:
What I’m terrified of is Tre’s propensity to light money on fire for 5 years by giving 4.5m or more to 3/4 liners. He’s done it far too many times to chalk it up to an easy mistake or miscalculation:
Frolik, Coleman, Neal, Brouwer….
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Neal wasn’t a 3/4 liner. He was a top-6 guy who’s shooting percentage happened to fall off a cliff. He was coming off 10 consecutive 20+ goal seasons.

SeaOfBlue said:
Monahan still seems like the obvious choice given the weak market, his history with Treliving, and since he has had injury issues, his contract should reflect that.

Matthews - Tavares - Monahan would be a pretty devastating 1-2-3 punch down the middle if everyone is healthy though.
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That would give us a third line center that needs offensive opportunities to be successful, and he won’t be getting them.

JT Compher, Erik Haula, and Nick Bjugstad would fit much better. Jordan Staal would work too, though he’s a much shorter term option.

Actually, all the Staals are UFA right now. If they ever wanted to play together, we could actually find spots for all of them. Jordan centres the 3rd line and takes faceoffs in the top PK unit. Marc plays veteran on the 3rd pair and mentors either Liljegren or Timmins. Eric plays veteran on the 4th line.
 
Mr Knies Guy said:
Meh, I couldn’t care any less about his QoC or other analytics; he’s just another microcosm of this soft team that isn’t quantifiable with stats regurgitated from Natural Stat Trick, etc.

I’ve watched Clifton a lot and his mentality isn’t measurable with stats
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Maybe not, but does not change the fact that the guy still needs to be able to play and his play is that of a 6/7 that gets carried on a good team... Choose to trust analytics or not, it does not change that even the eye-test suggests the same thing. And ignoring QoC is just asking to get burned... There are plenty of guys who look excellent against crap players and then suck as soon as their role increases. Clifton is 'meh' as a bottom pairing guy in Boston. Asking him to replace Holl, who is at least one step up on his role, is asking for major trouble when he hasn't even dominated an easier role.

That is Scouting and Player Evaluation 101, never mind Analytics 101. QoC is barely even considered analytics. It is a stat, not much unlike production stats. Unless you flat out hate anything that comes in numerical form, which even the most archaic GM's have not done for decades, then you better not be ignoring QoC.
 
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Dreakmur said:
Neal wasn’t a 3/4 liner. He was a top-6 guy who’s shooting percentage happened to fall off a cliff. He was coming off 10 consecutive 20+ goal seasons.



That would give us a third line center that needs offensive opportunities to be successful, and he won’t be getting them.

JT Compher, Erik Haula, and Nick Bjugstad would fit much better. Jordan Staal would work too, though he’s a much shorter term option.

Actually, all the Staals are UFA right now. If they ever wanted to play together, we could actually find spots for all of them. Jordan centres the 3rd line and takes faceoffs in the top PK unit. Marc plays veteran on the 3rd pair and mentors either Liljegren or Timmins. Eric plays veteran on the 4th line.
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Compher no.. too expensive and i really think he benefits from where he plays

Bjugstad yuck.. tries his dangles and shoves a guy once in awhile but no impact

Haula sure if cheap
 
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andora said:
Compher no.. too expensive and i really think he benefits from where he plays

Bjugstad yuck.. tries his dangles and shoves a guy once in awhile but no impact

Haula sure if cheap
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You’re not getting a quality 3rd line center for cheap. It’s an important position and it’s worth paying for.
 
andora said:
I think i would attack the trade market first
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Not too many options there. Ryan and Michael Macleod out if Edmonton or New Jersey may work, but won’t be cheap. Scott Laughton won’t be cheap and he’ll be overpriced because he got PP time last year.

andora said:
I think i would attack the trade market first
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Not too many options there. Ryan and Michael Macleod out if Edmonton or New Jersey may work, but won’t be cheap. Scott Laughton won’t be cheap and he’ll be overpriced because he got PP time last year.
 
Dreakmur said:
Not too many options there. Ryan and Michael Macleod out if Edmonton or New Jersey may work, but won’t be cheap. Scott Laughton won’t be cheap and he’ll be overpriced because he got PP time last year.



Not too many options there. Ryan and Michael Macleod out if Edmonton or New Jersey may work, but won’t be cheap. Scott Laughton won’t be cheap and he’ll be overpriced because he got PP time last year.
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I would rather pay for a player in trade young enough and with term enough to be a cog
 
andora said:
Compher no.. too expensive and i really think he benefits from where he plays

Bjugstad yuck.. tries his dangles and shoves a guy once in awhile but no impact

Haula sure if cheap
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Compher benefitted by being the 2C in Colorado this year, but I think he falls back to being a solid but unspectacular middle 6 guy once he is not given those opportunities anymore. Similar to Kerfoot.

Still, those guys get paid and I would expect he starts with a 4. That is an easy pass for the Leafs.
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Compher benefitted by being the 2C in Colorado this year, but I think he falls back to being a solid but unspectacular middle 6 guy once he is not given those opportunities anymore. Similar to Kerfoot.

Still, those guys get paid and I would expect he starts with a 4. That is an easy pass for the Leafs.
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100% agree with you I think is number starts with a 4
 
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andora said:
I would rather pay for a player in trade young enough and with term enough to be a cog
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Certainly makes sense given ROR, Monahan, Haula, and if you really stretch, Domi are the only 3C's who make sense for us on the market. Plenty of Kampf replacements available so we should find that in UFA, and we shouldn't be trading for a winger. Not a big enough need long term or even short term, and there are more than enough solid options that we can afford to get what we need.

RD is the other one where I would consider trade over UFA, unless we get someone at the right price.
 
I personally don't love this trade, But would you consider a Gibson($4M) + Max Jones + 2nd + 3rd for Nylander + Samsonov.
 
Haula, Acciari, and Barbashev, up front. Schenn and Mayfield/Dumba on the back end.

Wouldn’t be arsed with those signings, at all
 
SeaOfBlue said:
Certainly makes sense given ROR, Monahan, Haula, and if you really stretch, Domi are the only 3C's who make sense for us on the market. Plenty of Kampf replacements available so we should find that in UFA, and we shouldn't be trading for a winger. Not a big enough need long term or even short term, and there are more than enough solid options that we can afford to get what we need.

RD is the other one where I would consider trade over UFA, unless we get someone at the right price.
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I think something this team is starving for is true opportunity to players. It is become so stale with the model that has been run. I think outside of a very poor training camp Holmberg should slot into that number four Center with Lafferty and a cherry who could also support on face-offs and let the kid play.

At least for once I would like to actually attack some of the holes we have before the trade deadline and that would be your right a number 3 Center and a right hand defense
 
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andora said:
I think something this team is starving for is true opportunity to players. It is become so stale with the model that has been run. I think outside of a very poor training camp Holmberg should slot into that number four Center with Lafferty and a cherry who could also support on face-offs and let the kid play.

At least for once I would like to actually attack some of the holes we have before the trade deadline and that would be your right a number 3 Center and a right hand defense
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We need quality young players to take spots.
 
Compher or a player of that calibre at $4M
Or
Re-signing ROR at $5.5M

It would be a horrible decision to go with the former.
 
tmlfan98 said:
Domi and Severson would be nice UFA targets considering their projected next contracts shouldn't be overpayments compared to a lot of the other UFAs in this class.
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Domi had been only good during his first year and the last year of his contract.
 
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