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Proposal: Possible Trades?

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Zippy316 said:
Looking back on it, it was a terrible deal. At the time, the deal looked like:

A youngish 3/4 defenseman who had a hell of a year prior and was struggling.
A young NHL sniper who had a solid start to the season before fading off.
A gritty 3C in the making who has all the intangibles
A first round pick.

At the time, the trade was a nice on for Atlanta. The pieces they got were all quality pieces, each one had their doubts and their struggles but that deal had the potential to work out amazingly for them. Unfortunately, it didn't.
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Exactly. And that was for the top-goal scoring forward in the league over the years he was in the league.

That's why I think if we deal:
A youngish 3/4 defenseman playing top pairing minutes coming off his (arguably) best year..
A young NHL sniper showing promise and being showcased on our top line.
A pick or mid-level prospect...?

We could net a Getzlaf coming off a terrible season... or Benn who was recently dealt away and is holding out. Perry might take more.
 
NJDevs26 said:
What has anyone seen from Tedenby that after 100 NHL games of not scoring, other than one brief spurt (and less than big numbers in the AHL) that he's going to hold down a top six spot? ****, Matteau's more likely to be a top six contributor and I don't want him on the club for a full season either. I like Josefson, but he hasn't exactly shown he can score in the NHL either.
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Stop it now! Or the Tedenby police will come for you!:p:
 
Zippy316 said:
You can put whatever you want into all the advanced statistics, the best way to judge a player is to watch him play. When you watch Greene and Fayne play, you watch them play a solid all-around game with very little mistakes. They shutdown opposing top lines like they've been doing it since they were kids.

The statistics are good to justify things, but by no means do they tell the entire story, or the right one. There's no stats for great defensive plays, there's no stats for diving poke checks on breakaways, you get the point.
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Yeah, Lukowich would've been the highest paid Dman in the league with all of those last-second recoveries from abyssmal defensive play...

Like I said - I get it - Greene and Fayne are playing well and are nice 3-4 Dmen.

But if you want to get *anything* of value (2nd line wing?) back in return, I don't think Tallinder is going to do it.
 
billingtons ghost said:
That assumes that Teddy isn't -50 by game 24, Clarkie keeps potting them and Yayo doesn't get hit by a kitten teardrop or butterfly wing.
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Not to mention Elias at 36 staying healthy for a full season, or the Devils not running Kovy into the ground with 30+ minute nights because of double-shifting him for the goons. Losing any one of Kovy, Elias, Henrique, Clarkson or Zajac for a prolonged period without any further scoring reinforcement would doom us. We have five top-six forwards, another tweener in Zubrus, a third-liner in Josefson and that's it, after that you have a bunch of fourth-liners and guys that don't belong in the NHL.

Conversely, they could sell off Tallinder, lose say Volch and Zidlicky (just picking the two most likely to get hurt) to injury and still be better off than most teams:

Greene-Fayne
Salvador-Larsson
Harrold-Urbom/Gelinas
 
NJDevs26 said:
Not to mention Elias at 36 staying healthy for a full season, or the Devils not running Kovy into the ground with 30+ minute nights because of double-shifting him for the goons. Losing any one of Kovy, Elias, Henrique, Clarkson or Zajac for a prolonged period without any further scoring reinforcement would doom us. We have five top-six forwards, another tweener in Zubrus, a third-liner in Josefson and that's it, after that you have a bunch of fourth-liners and guys that don't belong in the NHL.
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I don't know man we do have Hawffel, and LOLberg in the AHL!:sarcasm:
 
billingtons ghost said:
But if you want to get *anything* of value (2nd line wing?) back in return, I don't think Tallinder is going to do it.
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It doesn't have to be the same trade neccesarily. Deal off Tallinder for a pick, then deal off the pick and maybe another B-level prospect for a rental winger.
 
billingtons ghost said:
Maybe I'm underestimating his worth, but...

I wouldn't use 'untouchable' in the same sentence as Andy Greene.

He missed 26 games last year... did we miss him?

He was -23 the year before. Fayne/Salvador/Volchenkov were all +s..

I like the guy, and his game has improved, but I loved Oduya too and I was happy with what we got back...

If Greene + Tedenby nets us a rental Benn/Getzlaf/Perry, I could be on board with that.
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You really think that's a possibility? Because I can pretty much guarantee it's not.

More than anything else the Devils need Adam Henrique back. It opens up so many options.
 
Zajacs Bowl Cut said:
Greene is our most versatile DMan. if we had to pick a #1, it'd be him

no way is he the most easily replaced.
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In which ways do u see him to be the most versatile?

I'd agree he's good positional d man with ok offensive skills. but most versatile? Seems like a reach.

Devils have a pretty straight D-man with an edge in Volch, a guy whose game is predominantly offensive in Zid's but otherwise, the guys all seem to be slight variations of solid positional d with ok offensive skills.
 
I remember arguing to the death with people about trading Bergfors for Kovy on the TG blog. People said it was a bad bad bad bad idea. Even if we hadn't re signed Kovy think anyone wishes we had Bergfors?:laugh:
 
Zippy316 said:
You can put whatever you want into all the advanced statistics, the best way to judge a player is to watch him play. When you watch Greene and Fayne play, you watch them play a solid all-around game with very little mistakes. They shutdown opposing top lines like they've been doing it since they were kids.

The statistics are good to justify things, but by no means do they tell the entire story, or the right one. There's no stats for great defensive plays, there's no stats for diving poke checks on breakaways, you get the point.
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No person in the world can watch every game for every team for every player. They have to rely on some other way to judge a player. There are tons of statistics that can give you a great picture on what kind of player you are getting.

5on5 last season GA On/60 min

Salvador 1.76
Volchenkov 2.13
Zidlicky 2.40
Fayne 2.47
Larsson 2.48
Greene 2.65
Tallinder 2.75

5on5 last season +/- ON/60 min

Salvador .22
Greene .13
Harrold 0
Volchenkov -.06
Zidlicky -.11
Fayne -.18
Larsson -.26
Tallinder -1.06
 
NJDevs26 said:
What has anyone seen from Tedenby that after 100 NHL games of not scoring, other than one brief spurt (and less than big numbers in the AHL) that he's going to hold down a top six spot? ****, Matteau's more likely to be a top six contributor and I don't want him on the club for a full season either. I like Josefson, but he hasn't exactly shown he can score in the NHL either.

They're not fine, and they're not going to go through a whole season injury-free either. Funny how people always worry about injuries on defense when we're at least two away from crisis mode, even after a trade on defense...but we're one away from crisis mode on offense without a trade. Especially with our lack of depth up front in Albany compared to the depth on defense there.
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Sykora scored 21 goals last year. If you play 1st or 2nd line minutes with highly skilled players you will get points. We aren't asking Teddy to be the offense. We are asking him to be the 3rd wheel to Zajac and Kovy. I also think Teddy will be great with Kovy. He is the only one on the team that can match Kovy speed. I am tired of seeing Kovy skate the puck up into the offensive zone to pull back because nobody else was able to get to position in time.
 
tycobb said:
Sykora scored 21 goals last year. If you play 1st or 2nd line minutes with highly skilled players you will get points. We aren't asking Teddy to be the offense. We are asking him to be the 3rd wheel to Zajac and Kovy. I also think Teddy will be great with Kovy. He is the only one on the team that can match Kovy speed. I am tired of seeing Kovy skate the puck up into the offensive zone to pull back because nobody else was able to get to position in time.
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Tedenby on a line with Kovy can either pay dividends for him, or it will be a disaster. A trainwreck defensively, but at least Kovy's been playing pretty good defense. I don't think there will be a middle ground. It will either go over great, or go over in a nightmare.
 
Missionhockey said:
Yeah that is true. It's been brought up but I still can't believe no one topped our offer for Kovalchuk. Oduya was having an awful year and Bergfors was getting benched left and right.
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Was Oduya having an awful year?

And Bergfors was off his hotstreak, but I don't remember numerous benchings.
 
Bergfors was getting the Tedenby treatment. Or should I say Tedenby gets the Bergfors treatment. Started on a top line, and being benched half the game in key situations, or playing entire games on the 4th line at the end there.
 
Bleedred said:
I remember arguing to the death with people about trading Bergfors for Kovy on the TG blog. People said it was a bad bad bad bad idea. Even if we hadn't re signed Kovy think anyone wishes we had Bergfors?:laugh:
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In bergfors" defense, he prob develops better in NJ then he did with a team that no longer exists.
 
Bleedred said:
Tedenby on a line with Kovy can either pay dividends for him, or it will be a disaster. A trainwreck defensively, but at least Kovy's been playing pretty good defense. I don't think there will be a middle ground. It will either go over great, or go over in a nightmare.
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How about we let them play together in a game once? Plus I am counting on trading a draft pick and a mid level prospect for Semin at the deadline.

Semin - Zajac - Kovy
Elias - Henrique - Clarkson
Zubrus - Yayo - Teddy/Darche/Kovy
CBGB

Power play: Semin - Zajac - Elias - Kovy - Zidlicky
 
tycobb said:
No person in the world can watch every game for every team for every player. They have to rely on some other way to judge a player. There are tons of statistics that can give you a great picture on what kind of player you are getting.

5on5 last season GA On/60 min

Salvador 1.76
Volchenkov 2.13
Zidlicky 2.40
Fayne 2.47
Larsson 2.48
Greene 2.65
Tallinder 2.75

5on5 last season +/- ON/60 min

Salvador .22
Greene .13
Harrold 0
Volchenkov -.06
Zidlicky -.11
Fayne -.18
Larsson -.26
Tallinder -1.06
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If I really wanted to, I can find some advanced stat to argue for my opinion and you can find another that will disprove it.
 
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