Post-Game Talk: Poor discipline and poor reffing is a bad combination

[Ritchie Valens]

I can't believe Woody isn't livid. This criminal syndicate disguised as professional sports officials need to be investigated. I still vomit watching the horseshit call that was the unsportsmanlike. Like wtf are you doing, this is a playoff series. You can't just handicap a team for 2 minutes because a former Hart winner decided to give an opponent a love tap. The NHL needs to stop selling us on rivalries if they're going to trot out silly men in stripes calling garbage like that.

Cameras capturing Bettman's & Daly's reaction to the Draisaitl penalty. They're both muppets so the gif fits. And it's probably true.

At this point, win or lose no way would I be getting in line to shake hands with the kings. They're not worthy of the showing of respect.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

For all of you saying there's no league directive to advance a sunbelt team further or are holding the Oilers back, if the league assigns Steve Kozari and Chris Lee to do game four, then there truly something is rotting in Denmark.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

So I get why people don't want the league to have a mandate on who gets through these series, because it makes this not watchable, but that's sort of the point.

If everyone was honest about it, it would be wrestling. There's nothing wrong with wrestling as entertainment, but it's not considered a serious sport as much as athletic entertainment. Seems like that what the NHL is as well.

 

[LeonDraisaitl29]

How is it that people on their cell phone cameras can see the puck being touched by the stick but the refs and Toronto can't? Also I trust Coupal so if he told Woody to challenge it he must have seen it hit the stick. That call was a great injustice to the integrity of the game.

 

[CupofOil]

Here I am sitting outside browsing on my phone on a pleasant Saturday morning and it just dawned on me. There ain't no f***ing way the Oilers are losing this series. Oilers vs. Everybody. Who's with me?

 

[walktheboulavard]

Cameras capturing Bettman's & Daly's reaction to the Draisaitl penalty. They're both muppets so the gif fits. And it's probably true.

At this point, win or lose no way would I be getting in line to shake hands with the kings. They're not worthy of the showing of respect.

The Kings are spineless as well. Diving and flailing around, performing for these clowns. I can't believe this is an actual playoff series. I am watching the NBA finals and I am seeing guys nearly close lining guys going for dunks in an attempt to block and players stomping on another. And here is the NHL which is supposed to be the tougher of the sports but Krusty the clown is calling penalties on Drasaitle giving Doughty a tap.

Here I am sitting outside browsing on my phone on a pleasant Saturday morning and it just dawned on me. There ain't no f***ing way the Oilers are losing this series. Oilers vs. Everybody. Who's with me?

They can take the Kings. Not sure about Bettman's posse.

 

[DrDrai]

I don't think I'm watching game 4. The refs are ruining the game.

I’m in the same boat, I won’t watch much of it. I’ll check online for the score and hopefully things go well.

 

[McClelland]

Lot of those tonight..Where'd they come from?

Appalachian banjo players!

 

[iCanada]

I think I’ve calmed down, no, I’m still pissed.

I'm honestly not even mad. I more just feel apathetic.

Not even sure if I want to watch game 4.

 

[Kerberos]

The Kings are spineless as well. Diving and flailing around, performing for these clowns. I can't believe this is an actual playoff series. I am watching the NBA finals and I am seeing guys nearly close lining guys going for dunks in an attempt to block and players stomping on another. And here is the NHL which is supposed to be the tougher of the sports but Krusty the clown is calling penalties on Drasaitle giving Doughty a tap.

If the NHL was 1/10th as popular as the NBA in the States, there would be a betting scandal uncovered that puts the Tim Donaghy investigation to shame. Ever since Bettman mandated artificial parity in the NHL in order to ensure American teams received the benefit of the doubt and then some, this league hasn't even tried to hide its blatant match fixing. He goes on and on and on about parity which is hilarious to me as there is no professional sports league in the world with 20+ teams where it should exist to this degree if things are actually legitimate. Yes, hockey has more random luck based occurences in it than other sports but not to this degree.

And now with the all-out gambling push that you can't go a second without seeing when watching an NHL game, we're not supposed to believe what's in front of our own eyes when refs clearly have a mandate to call the game differently depending on the team playing? Los Angeles' hockey team is pathetic... an unskilled, embellishing, boring as f*** squad that would have no chance of attracting new fans in a non-traditional market. The NHL is either too lazy or too inept to actually make a franchise like that appeal to demographics in a market where they are option number 10 or 12 so they take the easy and illegal way out instead.

All sports leagues are corrupt to an extent but this one is next level. Gary Bettman needs to be removed before it will ever improve.

 

[rielledup]

So I get why people don't want the league to have a mandate on who gets through these series, because it makes this not watchable, but that's sort of the point.

If everyone was honest about it, it would be wrestling. There's nothing wrong with wrestling as entertainment, but it's not considered a serious sport as much as athletic entertainment. Seems like that what the NHL is as well.

I don't believe that bettman is telling the refs to screw over certain teams just because it's ridiculous to think that's going on. Bettman would have to somehow know that not a single ref would ever blow the lid on bettman trying to fix games, because if it ever became public the league would be destroyed. Whatever increase in long term revenue the league might get from getting their preferred teams in the finals would not be worth the risk of trying to fix games.

 

[dssource]

Hate this league. It's so blatenetly clear the games are 'managed' in one sided officiating.

 

[walktheboulavard]

I'm honestly not even mad. I more just feel apathetic.

Not even sure if I want to watch game 4.

I still have faith. We came back from 3-2 down last year, this isn't uncharted territory for this team and will only make for suspenseful theatre. But zebras gotta chill.

 

[RegDunlop]

I've never seen a goal called back on a high stick not directly involved in the goal. There's a lot to be upset about in regards to the reffing. I'm not too busted up about that high stick not being enough to overturn an OT GWG.

Yeah the thing is - what I question is that ok, ot was a high stick and it was missed. It wasn't high sticker into the ne so how can it be overturned? Just a shitty missed call no?
Am I out to lunch here?

 

[CycloneSweep]

If the NHL was 1/10th as popular as the NBA in the States, there would be a betting scandal uncovered that puts the Tim Donaghy investigation to shame. Ever since Bettman mandated artificial parity in the NHL in order to ensure American teams received the benefit of the doubt and then some, this league hasn't even tried to hide its blatant match fixing. He goes on and on and on about parity which is hilarious to me as there is no professional sports league in the world with 20+ teams where it should exist to this degree if things are actually legitimate. Yes, hockey has more random luck based occurences in it than other sports but not to this degree.

And now with the all-out gambling push that you can't go a second without seeing when watching an NHL game, we're not supposed to believe what's in front of our own eyes when refs clearly have a mandate to call the game differently depending on the team playing? Los Angeles' hockey team is pathetic... an unskilled, embellishing, boring as f*** squad that would have no chance of attracting new fans in a non-traditional market. The NHL is either too lazy or too inept to actually make a franchise like that appeal to demographics in a market where they are option number 10 or 12 so they take the easy and illegal way out instead.

All sports leagues are corrupt to an extent but this one is next level. Gary Bettman needs to be removed before it will ever improve.

If all this was true removing Bettman wouldn’t do anything. He does what the owners want.

 

[The Panther]

I don't even care about the overtime penalties anymore. As soon as any overtime begins where Edmonton is involved, you KNOW they're going to lose. That's just a given. May as well put them down 5 on 3 and get it over with faster so they can rest up for the next one.

If the Oilers plan to win this series---now requiring them to win three of the next four, minimum---they're going to need to get a big lead and keep adding to it. As we've seen all season, they are awful at defending a 2-0 lead. And the Kings' boring-ass grinding game is tailor-made to turn any close game into an overtime game, which... well, see paragraph 1.

The Oilers have clearly been the superior team by any metric in all three games, and they've lost two. This has to end. Forget about overtimes. They've got to start putting their stamp on games and not letting their feet off the gas pedal.

 

[iCanada]

I still have faith. We came back from 3-2 down last year, this isn't uncharted territory for this team and will only make for suspenseful theatre. But zebras gotta chill.

I have faith in the team.

I'm more apathetic about the sanctity of competition. When you can job the Oilers so hard even flames fans on Calgary puck are crying foul... Yeah idk that's something else.

 

[The Panther]

Oh yes, and it would also help if the TEAM LEADERS would stop taking stupid penalties.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Totally agree, there is no conspiracy by the league and believing this will make your hockey experience significantly worse.
However, refereeing has been hilariously bad this year, and the Oilers have gotten some of the worst of it, at least in the playoffs. I'm not even an Oilers fan, but a mild supporter (Detroit and Ottawa are my teams).
There were 2-3 situations by Kings players that were worse than or at least as bad as similar acts by Oilers which were however not penalized. The high stick in OT was a terrible call as well. I knew immediately that it had hit the blade when watching the game on my TV, and seeing it over and over again on my laptop, I don't know how anyone can doubt that.
That shouldn't be an excuse for Oilers to take bad penalties, though.

If one pair of refs (with an alternate) were assigned to do an entire series, I could sit back and maybe say "these guys are terrible at their jobs".

When you have rotating pairs and they're ALL making the same ticky-tack calls while ignoring blatant obvious shit and/or not calling the same penalty on one team they just called on a player from the other (ie: Kostin/Daneault- when he pinned McDavid down for longer than Kostin did to Iamfellatio) there's something up. They set the standard if you're not going to let a player up after 3 or 4 seconds, you're going off. Then they let Daneault do it unpenalized. It's a disgrace and so very obvious.

Then look at the gap of powerplays from one team to the other over the series so far. LA is currently at +7. If you're telling me that they have been playing that "clean" of a game, I've got some ocean front property in Saskatchewan to sell you. Shockingly the team with the #1 powerplay and which also set a new league record for pp% is being kept off the powerplay against one of Gary's darling sunbelt teams.

 

[Devilmademedoit]

Last 2 games it has been all Conor. That should be concerning

 

[BigFuzzyDice]

Yeah the thing is - what I question is that ok, ot was a high stick and it was missed. It wasn't high sticker into the ne so how can it be overturned? Just a shitty missed call no?
Am I out to lunch here?

Yes, you're out to lunch, a high stick that us then played by the offending team with no change in possession is a play stoppage and a face off regardless of where the puck goes on that touch.

 

[orangewinter]

The Oiler's will not win this series if they continue to take penalties.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I don't even care about the overtime penalties anymore. As soon as any overtime begins where Edmonton is involved, you KNOW they're going to lose. That's just a given. May as well put them down 5 on 3 and get it over with faster so they can rest up for the next one.

If the Oilers plan to win this series---now requiring them to win three of the next four, minimum---they're going to need to get a big lead and keep adding to it. As we've seen all season, they are awful at defending a 2-0 lead. And the Kings' boring-ass grinding game is tailor-made to turn any close game into an overtime game, which... well, see paragraph 1.

The Oilers have clearly been the superior team by any metric in all three games, and they've lost two. This has to end. Forget about overtimes. They've got to start putting their stamp on games and not letting their feet off the gas pedal.

Nuge hit 100 points this year and is an absolute ghost, Hyman has been bad for a month now, Kane still isn’t fully recovered and is only good for hits and dumb penalties, Yamamoto is what he is. The bottom 6 guys are good in their roles but as the game goes on and we need a greasy goal, they get their ice time cut.

So it’s mostly Draisaitl trying to win games alone with McDavid not looking like his normal self.

Sure we are getting lots of shots and zone time but our ability to generate quality chances and get into prime scoring areas is almost non existent right now.

Boys are putting up good advanced stats but I don’t know how you objectively look at our 5v5 play and actually consider us dangerous. With the way Korpisalo is playing the perimeter shots and the one and done chances won’t cut it.

 

[RegDunlop]

Yes, you're out to lunch, a high stick that us then played by the offending team with no change in possession is a play stoppage and a face off regardless of where the puck goes on that touch.

No doubt

But if they miss the call and play goes on, how can you overturn that?
Is that challengable?

 

[Frank the Tank]

Like Draisaitl said, Doughty goes after McDavid's knee, but apparently they can't call that because it would be 5-on-3. Then a tap on the shins after the 2nd PP goal is called.


Watching the replay the refs made the Draisaitl call out of guilt. They had to call the Kings on back to back infractions and the Oilers lethal PP promptly buried two goals. At that point they are looking for anything to lessen the impression that they provided the Oilers with an advantage.