Post-Game Talk: Poor discipline and poor reffing is a bad combination

[bobbythebrain]

The 'Bettman" conspiracy is just ridiculous. Go on basically any teams board on any given night and you will read the exact same whining and complaining as you have here.

"Bettman wants us to lose", "The refs have something against us", blah, blah, blah

I honestly can't believe the amount of people who actually think the league doesn't want to promote McDavid further for the sport. Get a grip people and use some common sense

Oh, and if the Oil do actually lose this series, no doubt the cut and paste coach excuses the every other coach from the dawn of time has been attributed to, Woody will also, as if he's the only coach who does this while ALL the other team's coaches NEVER do this

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Just a bit more proof. Blackhawks/Preds. Laviolette busts one of the refs winking at the Blackhawks bench. The ref can only respond by threatening to toss him.


All I only need is that sound clip of Tim Peel making comments about purposely wanting to give the opposing team a penalty to know how f***ing corrupt the bastards officials are. The NHL tried to cleanse themselves by firing Peel due to the backlash, but they’re still as dirty as ever. Especially with how they continue to add more and more annoying f***ing betting ads in people’s faces on tv like it’s a given grace.

That's the primary exhibit. The "firing" was just another dog and pony show to show fake disgust by the league. He was going to retire anyways, they probably gave him a ton of "shut up" money because you never hear him speaking out about it the way Tim Donaghy has/is.

 

[iCanada]

Like Draisaitl said, Doughty goes after McDavid's knee, but apparently they can't call that because it would be 5-on-3. Then a tap on the shins after the 2nd PP goal is called.


Watching the replay the refs made the Draisaitl call out of guilt. They had to call the Kings on back to back infractions and the Oilers lethal PP promptly buried two goals. At that point they are looking for anything to lessen the impression that they provided the Oilers with an advantage.

I'm just glad they caught the dirty slash by Draisaitl. Doughty didn't even notice.

 

[Ragdoll]

Said it last night and I’ll say it again. If fans of other fan bases are supporting the Oilers and calling out the refs, you know it’s f***ing bad. 2/5 penalties were actually legit, the rest were absolute phantom calls.

 

[EchoesoftheEighties]

Bottom line, don't put yourself in a position where a singular bad call like that can make you lose. Oil are doing this to themselves

 

[walktheboulavard]

If the NHL was 1/10th as popular as the NBA in the States, there would be a betting scandal uncovered that puts the Tim Donaghy investigation to shame. Ever since Bettman mandated artificial parity in the NHL in order to ensure American teams received the benefit of the doubt and then some, this league hasn't even tried to hide its blatant match fixing. He goes on and on and on about parity which is hilarious to me as there is no professional sports league in the world with 20+ teams where it should exist to this degree if things are actually legitimate. Yes, hockey has more random luck based occurences in it than other sports but not to this degree.

And now with the all-out gambling push that you can't go a second without seeing when watching an NHL game, we're not supposed to believe what's in front of our own eyes when refs clearly have a mandate to call the game differently depending on the team playing? Los Angeles' hockey team is pathetic... an unskilled, embellishing, boring as f*** squad that would have no chance of attracting new fans in a non-traditional market. The NHL is either too lazy or too inept to actually make a franchise like that appeal to demographics in a market where they are option number 10 or 12 so they take the easy and illegal way out instead.

All sports leagues are corrupt to an extent but this one is next level. Gary Bettman needs to be removed before it will ever improve.

Well put. You're probably better off letting the game grow organically by allowing the teams/players good at the sport fair competition. You let McDavid/Drai do their thing, fans will be drawn to the sport and appreciate it for it's purity. Kings win this series and fans are going to think it's a live play or something with the amount of acting being rewarded.

It's gross mismanagement and this betmgm pedaling crook, needs to relinquish his position if this league is to grow. No wonder ESPN continues to think the NHL is joke. They'll promote/reward clutching and grabbing, diving and deceiving as a method of competition for the less skilled teams.

 

[Ragdoll]

I literally don’t think it could’ve been more obvious. The puck literally goes from elevating towards the left to downwards and to the right. And that’s somehow inconclusive, you can’t make this shit up.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

I missed two games --- and happy to do it.

I mean I'm just tired of having to pretend I'm watching a real sport.

I do like the group and hope they overcome the tilt but if they won the cup my reaction would probably be "good for them---now I can stop watching NHL hockey because its still an absolute farce"

 

[TopShelfGloveSide]

The 'Bettman" conspiracy is just ridiculous. Go on basically any teams board on any given night and you will read the exact same whining and complaining as you have here.

"Bettman wants us to lose", "The refs have something against us", blah, blah, blah

I honestly can't believe the amount of people who actually think the league doesn't want to promote McDavid further for the sport. Get a grip people and use some common sense

It was a high stick so bad call regardless.

 

[iCanada]

Yeah the thing is - what I question is that ok, ot was a high stick and it was missed. It wasn't high sticker into the ne so how can it be overturned? Just a shitty missed call no?
Am I out to lunch here?

No, any goal can be called back on a missed mandatory stoppage of play, be it offside (either on entry or leasing the zone), high sticks, hand passes, or puck leaving the playing surface.

 

[headliner]

On the OT goal. Physics 101. There's a TV angle from behind the corner glass showing the puck still on its upward left arc when Vilardi's stick blocks its view. The puck then heads straight down. Contact.

Considering today's technology, INCONCLUSIVE on such calls is UNACCEPTABLE.

 

[RegDunlop]

No, any goal can be called back on a missed mandatory stoppage of play, be it offside (either on entry or leasing the zone), high sticks, hand passes, or puck leaving the playing surface.

Very good thank you sir

F**kers

 

[bobbythebrain]

It was a high stick so bad call regardless.

Oilers definitely got the raw deal of the refs so far, but it wasn't from a memo that was delivered in a briefcase handcuffed to an agent who later shredded it in a remote and dark office

 

[walktheboulavard]

The Deharnais call was suspicious, the Ekholm one is hit and miss in pre season, Nurse call was skate to skate collision and the Drasailte call, LOL. The missed high stick even after review, need I say more folks.

 

[Leonardlizard]

The problem with the "don't put yourself in the position" angle is that the other team is allowed to do all the things we're getting called for. If Oilers don't put themselves in the position they're not playing the game...with the exception of the Draisaitl post whistle which honestly that was such horseshit. If the game was called equally we'd be up 3-0.

 

[iCanada]

On the OT goal. Physics 101. There's a TV angle from behind the corner glass showing the puck still on its upward left arc when Vilardi's stick blocks its view. The puck then heads straight down. Only contact can cause such an abrupt change in direction.

Considering today's technology, INCONCLUSIVE on such calls is UNACCEPTABLE.

Puck going towards glass, puck magically stops mid arc.

Clearly must be inconclusive.

 

[ehhteen]

Puck is dead in the corner for over 30 seconds, refs don’t blow the whistle and the Kings score.

Refs call a tap on the shins a slashing penalty after a goal has been scored. They wouldn’t even call that in the regular season.

Puck is clearly hit with a high stick in the offensive zone which should have been blown dead, is allowed to continue before the overtime goal is scored.

Nevermind the 2 handed slash on McDavid, Danault not making an attempt to move to allow McDavid to get up in overtime (they sure didn’t like when Kostin did the same thing to Iafallo) and not calling the extra embellishment penalty on Arvidsson for his dive.

The refs were definitely fine with giving Desharnais a penalty for the minuscule bump to Durzi’s chest who somehow clutches his face (not sure how that works) which draws a call.

I’ve complained about the reffing in the EA Sports Hockey games, but this has got to be one of the worst officiated games/series that we have seen so far.

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

The 'Bettman" conspiracy is just ridiculous. Go on basically any teams board on any given night and you will read the exact same whining and complaining as you have here.

"Bettman wants us to lose", "The refs have something against us", blah, blah, blah

I honestly can't believe the amount of people who actually think the league doesn't want to promote McDavid further for the sport. Get a grip people and use some common sense

Oh, and if the Oil do actually lose this series, no doubt the cut and paste coach excuses the every other coach from the dawn of time has been attributed to, Woody will also, as if he's the only coach who does this while ALL the other team's coaches NEVER do this

While fan frustration will point fingers at conspiracy theories which we all know aren’t true, Bettman is responsible for the absolute atrocious and incompetent referees, the poor standards of officiating and the NHL policy of game management.

That said with the massive influx of sports betting the NHL now relies upon for sponsorship dollars, I cannot for one second believe that some on ice officials and those in the league review office are not making money on the side with 3rd party bets.

Basketball and baseball have been wracked by gambling controversies and we are kidding ourselves if we think hockey is immune.

So while Bettman doesn’t actively conspire against the Oilers, his policies and business dealings create an atmosphere where those inside the game can.

Therefore the buck starts and stops with that weasley little New York legal elf who doesn’t know what side of a hockey stick is up nor how to lace up a pair of skates.

 

[iCanada]

The Deharnais call was suspicious, the Ekholm one is hit and miss in pre season, Nurse call was skate to skate collision and the Drasailte call, LOL. The missed high stick even after review, need I say more folks.

Missing the Kostin penalty vs the lack of call on Danault doing same thing to McDavid.

Missing the difference in review between Nurse on Arvidsson and Iafallo on Foegele.

Missing Doughty two hand hacking McDavid stick and then the weak RNH one handed skating penalty.

 

[headliner]

It's getting to the point where betting sites are going to start putting odds on reviews that appear 100% conclusive. They would've raked it in during those 5 minutes last night.

EDIT: Or would such bets be accepted already?

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don't believe that bettman is telling the refs to screw over certain teams just because it's ridiculous to think that's going on. Bettman would have to somehow know that not a single ref would ever blow the lid on bettman trying to fix games, because if it ever became public the league would be destroyed. Whatever increase in long term revenue the league might get from getting their preferred teams in the finals would not be worth the risk of trying to fix games.

So I get, it's really hard to come to terms with this, but it's just there if you turn of the "but must a fair meritocracy" part of your kid sports brain.

There's no risk, because this is North America, everyone, who matters, is getting their cut, so it's not a problem.

Also, they are trying to maximize revenues, larger US markets can just do that more than place like Edmonton ever could.

The issue they're having this year is these officials are being too obvious about it, so they're giving up the game.

When rules are subjective to the situations, up to and including goals, it's easy to fix this stuff.

 

[M2Beezy]

Even the most neutral observer has to see that the bias in the League is clear as daylight

It seems I have been summoned...

 

[elmeroil]

It's just not that fun anymore because the officiating is almost always controversial. I'm losing interest quickly, it's going to turn into the WWE if it hasn't already. Man I used to love hockey, my love for this league is at an all time low.

I went to bed after the 3rd because I just knew how it was going to end. It is sad but I'm growing tired of wasting my time watching something that seems more and more fixed every year.

Throw in the constant push and commercials encouraging betting, the Lions betting fiasco, I'm likely to be a watch the highlites and that's it kind of guy in the coming years. Sad sad sad.

 

[bobbythebrain]

So I get, it's really hard to come to terms with this, but it's just there if you turn of the "but must a fair meritocracy" part of your kid sports brain.

There's no risk, because this is North America, everyone, who matters, is getting their cut, so it's not a problem.

Also, they are trying to maximize revenues, larger US markets can just do that more than place like Edmonton ever could.

The issue they're having this year is these officials are being too obvious about it, so they're giving up the game.

When rules are subjective to the situations, up to and including goals, it's easy to fix this stuff.

Might want to go back and look over LA's forum last year after Edm beat them, and see how much Bettman and the refs "conspired" against them, cuz they "favor" McDavid

Oh, and on our forum, we beat them cuz we "overcame" Bettman's plans to make us lose

It's pretty predictable at this point to guess these responses

 

[Dakkon]

Oilers are the better team and have showed that despite being down 2-1, They are getting absolutely jobbed by this trash league. At this point it's becoming painfully obvious that the NHL are doing everything in their power to get McDavid to leave the Oilers, Unfortunately I'm beginning to think that the only way McD gets a cup with Edmonton is if in 3 years he resigns another 8 year deal which would make him a career Oiler and put to bed any ideas of him growing the game for some lame US non hockey market similar to what 99 did for that loser kings organization.