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SenzZen said:
I was talking about the people you were calling for in order to step in and fix the corruption...
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I still don't get it. How is $200,000 worth of fireworks for New Years Eve relevant to the discussion, unless they did not pay the city workers or contractors who set them up. You should really read the book "Game Misconduct: Alan Eagleson and the corruption of hockey."

For 25 years Eagleson stole the pensions of NHL players, and used it for his own investments, and to give to his criminal friends. NHL Stars played 5 Canada Cups and a Super Series, without compensation. Eagleson and Hockey Canada made a killing. The only difference today, is Hockey Canada is again shafting a bunch of 18-20 year olds of a piece of the pie, while charging insane pricing to maximize profit and fatten their pocket books. History tends to repeat itself.

Now what were you saying about fireworks? :laugh:
 
"So, big money being thrown around to stage an event at two NHL-size arenas in two tremendous hockey markets. Of course, the participants will see none of it. That’s not a surprise, or even a problem, since athletes in all kinds of sports occasionally play in international tournaments for little other than love of country, but this year’s edition of the World Junior Championship happens to come while junior hockey is under a great deal of scrutiny.

A class-action lawsuit filed in a Toronto court in late October accuses the Canadian Hockey League and its teams of violating minimum-wage laws, charging that players are effectively employees who can work up to 60 hours a week and receive as little as a $50 weekly stipend. (The CHL has said it will defend itself vigorously. The league’s position is that players are amateur athletes who receive benefits far in excess of the stipend — which can now run up to about $400 a month — including meals, housing and access to a scholarship fund.) Meanwhile, a former player has sued the WHL and the QMJHL, two of the regional leagues that comprise the CHL, alleging that they attempted to obscure his employee-employer relationship to avoid paying him at least minimum wage.

Neither lawsuit has been tested in court. And, Canada’s largest private-sector union, Unifor, is leading the effort to form a players’ association for junior hockey, making many of the same arguments that are the basis for the lawsuits: basically, that teenagers are being exploited while teams make piles of money. Lastly, at least two U.S. states have reportedly begun looking at whether junior hockey teams are in violation of their labour laws.

source: http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/world-junior-championship-becoming-a-big-money-event

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I personally will not watch this display of corporate greed, until the players are able to obtain a % of the profits that the WJC reels in annually.
 
CantHaveTkachev said:
but but I was told Montreal and Toronto were the hockey meccas?? what the heck?

time to put to bed that notion...

I'm hearing a ton of excuses but the prices were crazy in Edmonton back in 2011, but even the smallest game had over 13,000 people show up

pretty embarrassing for a city the size of Montreal and they can't even fill a Team Canada game
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Well, any event is now not Canadian unless it includes Montreal and Toronto.

(Sorry Vancouver, but its the way it is).
 
theaub said:
I still don't get how that outdoor game works. If the US/Canada are in different groups (considering they're both betting line favourites for tomorrow it is a greater chance than not), then who plays? The host with minimal local interest? Canada since fans travel (and if they win and US/Russia come in 2nd/3rd they play Sweden)? Do they just straight up screw with the integrity of the tournament and ensure that US/Canada are in the same group?
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Yep! That's exactly what they're going to do.
 
theaub said:
Do they just straight up screw with the integrity of the tournament and ensure that US/Canada are in the same group?
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The IIHF has done that several times for the World Championships. For example, when Sweden and Finland co-hosted, they moved Russia to the Finland group.
 
Jets4Life said:
"So, big money being thrown around to stage an event at two NHL-size arenas in two tremendous hockey markets. Of course, the participants will see none of it. That’s not a surprise, or even a problem, since athletes in all kinds of sports occasionally play in international tournaments for little other than love of country, but this year’s edition of the World Junior Championship happens to come while junior hockey is under a great deal of scrutiny.

A class-action lawsuit filed in a Toronto court in late October accuses the Canadian Hockey League and its teams of violating minimum-wage laws, charging that players are effectively employees who can work up to 60 hours a week and receive as little as a $50 weekly stipend. (The CHL has said it will defend itself vigorously. The league’s position is that players are amateur athletes who receive benefits far in excess of the stipend — which can now run up to about $400 a month — including meals, housing and access to a scholarship fund.) Meanwhile, a former player has sued the WHL and the QMJHL, two of the regional leagues that comprise the CHL, alleging that they attempted to obscure his employee-employer relationship to avoid paying him at least minimum wage.

Neither lawsuit has been tested in court. And, Canada’s largest private-sector union, Unifor, is leading the effort to form a players’ association for junior hockey, making many of the same arguments that are the basis for the lawsuits: basically, that teenagers are being exploited while teams make piles of money. Lastly, at least two U.S. states have reportedly begun looking at whether junior hockey teams are in violation of their labour laws.

source: http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/world-junior-championship-becoming-a-big-money-event

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I personally will not watch this display of corporate greed, until the players are able to obtain a % of the profits that the WJC reels in annually.
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Thanks for this great material. By the way, the profits from WCh's goes to it's hosting nation's hockey federation, small % of that later goes to IIHF which later are divided to other participating nations. In football it's millions, more than 6 mil. EUR for federation like Latvia in season, but in hockey there's only couple of thousands.
 
Coinneach said:
Does anybody care about World Juniors in Montreal and Toronto? The view on the empty grandstands is deplorable.

Where is the mistake?
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I have read where the pricing was thru the roof. So bad that they are looking into lowering them in 2019. Why not 2018? Shows the people in charge there are clueless.
 
Jets4Life said:
"So, big money being thrown around to stage an event at two NHL-size arenas in two tremendous hockey markets. Of course, the participants will see none of it. That’s not a surprise, or even a problem, since athletes in all kinds of sports occasionally play in international tournaments for little other than love of country, but this year’s edition of the World Junior Championship happens to come while junior hockey is under a great deal of scrutiny.

A class-action lawsuit filed in a Toronto court in late October accuses the Canadian Hockey League and its teams of violating minimum-wage laws, charging that players are effectively employees who can work up to 60 hours a week and receive as little as a $50 weekly stipend. (The CHL has said it will defend itself vigorously. The league’s position is that players are amateur athletes who receive benefits far in excess of the stipend — which can now run up to about $400 a month — including meals, housing and access to a scholarship fund.) Meanwhile, a former player has sued the WHL and the QMJHL, two of the regional leagues that comprise the CHL, alleging that they attempted to obscure his employee-employer relationship to avoid paying him at least minimum wage.

Neither lawsuit has been tested in court. And, Canada’s largest private-sector union, Unifor, is leading the effort to form a players’ association for junior hockey, making many of the same arguments that are the basis for the lawsuits: basically, that teenagers are being exploited while teams make piles of money. Lastly, at least two U.S. states have reportedly begun looking at whether junior hockey teams are in violation of their labour laws.

source: http://news.nationalpost.com/sports/nhl/world-junior-championship-becoming-a-big-money-event

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I personally will not watch this display of corporate greed, until the players are able to obtain a % of the profits that the WJC reels in annually.
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OscarsCards said:
Thanks for this great material. By the way, the profits from WCh's goes to it's hosting nation's hockey federation, small % of that later goes to IIHF which later are divided to other participating nations. In football it's millions, more than 6 mil. EUR for federation like Latvia in season, but in hockey there's only couple of thousands.
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I'm not sure how closely you follow the Business of Hockey board, but if you're interested, we've been discussing the CHL lawsuit for a while:

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2031257
 
Rocko604 said:
I doubt Hockey Canada even considers it for a second, but I think creating more hype for this tournament would be easier if it were held in Europe for a couple of years after 2019.
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I prefer when it's in Europe, as long as the game times aren't too early. Some great memories being on Christmas break and waking up and watching Canada games. There's something charming about watching the coverage from Europe and seeing travelling Canadian fans cheer them on. When the tournament is in Canada in a big NHL city in prime time it feels too much like watching the pro game.
 
I think the tournament has been OVER hyped for too long, leading people to become bored of it.
 
I think if they moved the tournament around a bit, the hype would return. In the last 11 years 6 have been in areas where the majority of Canada could travel to. The next 3/4 are also close to or in Canada. I think you do tend to lose a little of the awe when you have the tournament close by to you every single year.
 
Bob Cole said:
Cheapest way to get in tomorrow is to buy a ticket for the USA game (6$ on StubHub) and stay in the building for the Canada game. There will be plenty of empty seats to chose from for the Canada game.

That's what I did when the tournament was in Ottawa. Paid cheap to go see the early game and went up to the standing room for the Canada games. Saw both semis, bronze and gold medal games for a total of 25$.
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I got freebies for the early game.........might take your advice........beer is going to bust my budget......:cry:
 
I see the tv ratings are great and the evening bar scene is making out like bandits........day time not so much........that work thing is getting in the way........haters are going to hate........
 
I can't seem to find a single thing on TV ratings

I'd love to see what the Canada/Latvia game drew going up against six different Canadian teams playing that night. The bar I was at had it on a small TV in the corner and the Leaf/Raptor games everywhere else.

I'd still expect some pretty massive ratings for tonight and tomorrow night (assuming Canada wins tonight).
 
...The Tournament organization suddenly decided to drop the prices of the upper bowl seats, so instead of 82$, they're now 52$.

Talk about a move with absolutely no upside. Those who bought the tickets feel they got cheated, but still significantly more expensive than resale sites and not cheap in any way.
 
jeangauthier said:
I got freebies for the early game.........might take your advice........beer is going to bust my budget......:cry:
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This. A 20oz beer was $12.75-13.50 at the ACC.

Do you know why the WJHC has lost its luster? It's because the IIHF's true motive moves right out into the open. It's hard to focus on the young players playing for their country when the prices of everything are jacked through the roof. You can't ignore the money-grubbing, and it puts a sour taste into your mouth. The two ideals are contradictory, and you can only juggle both for so long before it comes crashing down.

Juniors playing for their country or cash-cow marquee event. Can't have both for very long.
 
Sweden-Finland had 9000+ according to the official numbers.
Canada-Czech 10 000+ according to the official numbers of tickets sold but looking at the tv and the numerous pictures from the arena there was at the most 3000.

Go in front of the arena tonight before puck drop and you'll be handed free tickets.
 
I really enjoyed when the tournament moved around from junior town to junior town. I also like the nostalgia of watching the tourney from Europe provided the time zone change isn't too drastic.

The only thing less nostalgic than having the tournament in one major city like Vancouver... is when their are joint bids like this year and 2015. Completely takes the character out of the tourney. And the local fan buzz dies off when the novelty of it wears off, being here every other year now.

Then of course you have the pricing, but all big events have awful pricing.

We all get that HC want to pad the pockets with a tourney that is typically incredibly popular and gets big ratings. But I agree with most that with the tourney returning to Canada so often now, and it appears to only be going to big cities - along with the cost of ticket packages, concessions, parking etc - You have to wonder if the tourney has lost it's charm permanently. It may still bring in record setting profits at the end of the day, but it used to feel much more accessible and interesting to most hockey fans.

I still love watching though.
 
go4hockey said:
I have read where the pricing was thru the roof. So bad that they are looking into lowering them in 2019. Why not 2018? Shows the people in charge there are clueless.
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Because Hockey Canada doesn't control prices set by USA Hockey.......
 
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