Poll: If you had to decide now: Would you extend Kyle Dubas or let him walk ?

[Racer88]

If they don’t get it done this years it’s on the core and the core is on Dubas and Dubas is on Shanny so if they don’t get it done let the domino’s fall

 

[A1LeafNation]

I'd imagine he's available to the Leafs. Everyone wants to be with the Leafs right?.

He's better because he's done so much more with so much less. If he was able to work with the resources the Leafs offer, I'd bet my left bollock we'd see an ECF within two years

Trading for Patches and Burns. No second line center amd betting on Kotkaniemi. Signing Raanta and Andersen known injury prone goalies. That wouldn't fly here. Imagine if Dubas did that lol.

 

[All Mod Cons]

If they don’t get it done this years it’s on the core and the core is on Dubas and Dubas is on Shanny so if they don’t get it done let the domino’s fall

I actually don't believe a GM should ever be fired. It's on the players. GMs should only be replaced when they pass.

 

[Racer88]

I actually don't believe a GM should ever be fired. It's on the players. GMs should only be replaced when they pass.

Hmmmmmmm I’m not sure if you’re serious or joking or the president of the GM’s union association. Lol

 

[All Mod Cons]

Trading for Patches and Burns. No second line center amd betting on Kotkaniemi. Signing Raanta and Andersen known injury prone goalies. That wouldn't fly here. Imagine if Dubas did that lol.

Imagine if we won a round(s).

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what will or will not fly here. As Sticky goes ahead and blames the fans for everything and says that Dubas only does what we want here, to me, that's the sign of a bad and weak GM. I don't want our GM doing what pissed up fans on a Friday night want. I do, however, want him to win a round at least.

 

[Osmows OReilly]

Hate to bring it up but remember this is the same core players that lost to a Zamboni driver who worked for their minor league affiliate. Does anyone actually expect them to have a Cup winning mentality?

 

[ToneDog]

Trading for Patches and Burns. No second line center amd betting on Kotkaniemi. Signing Raanta and Andersen known injury prone goalies. That wouldn't fly here. Imagine if Dubas did that lol.

Patches and Burns were cap dumps. Burns has been good and Patches was hurt. The Canes had lots of cap space but doubt their GM has free reign like Dubas does when it comes to blowing $$$.

Feaster walking from Mrazek and Dubie signing him for 3x3.8m is telling.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Imagine if we won a round(s).

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what will or will not fly here. As Sticky goes ahead and blames the fans for everything and says that Dubas only does what we want here, to me, that's the sign of a bad and weak GM. I don't want our GM doing what pissed up fans on a Friday night want. I do, however, want him to win a round at least.

I'd rather the team be built properly than a round of playoffs won. As bad as its been, most think/know as soon as one round is won, it would probably snowball into a few rounds won.

 

[hotpaws]

Dubas had been probabky best gm leafs had last 20


I think you just dont undestand how huge mccabe trade is... its easily in top 3 of best trade at deadline

Exemple for the same amount of money... leafs can resign ror at 5M and get a top 4 D in mccabe able to play a shutdown role against best opposite line at the same price than ekholm and 4th line player who will sign close of minimum like ZAR...

i'm thinking you're over rating how good a player McCabe is if you believe he's anywhere near the caliber of Ekholm or that he can be used to shut down top lines , well he can be used but it won't turn out well for us

you should have left it at paying extra to get retention while also acquiring a decent 4/5 type D was good asset mgmt , the issue then is that the majority of the deadline moves were win now moves and not building for the future and the goal for emptying our draft capital is to win now

as for still having cap space for ROR , sure if he wants to sign here and for a reasonable term as well as cap hit but if he's looking to score as much he can and for as long as he can like he has in the past i have no interest in a 4/5 yr or longer term for a 32 year old with a sizable cap

this being said i believe Dubies t/d moves were pretty good and a hell of a lot better than T-Bays , still don't understand their move nut f*** them , lol

 

[Jojalu]

How has he set the next GM up well? He's left not.many draft picks and maybe 1.5 prospects

They have their first for the next two years.

They have far more than 1.5 prospects.

They also have the option of trading 1 of either Nylander, Matthews or Marner which would all bring back a good haul.

You might be correct that they don't have a lot of top 6 projected players, they do have guys in the system that can contribute to an NHL team.

Draft picks are dicey at best and having all your 3rd round picks doesn't mean they will ever produce an NHL player.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Almost every defenseman listed is a top-4 on their team, or would be on many teams.

Holl is 3rd on Toronto in TOI/GP, with 20:52.
Skjei is 4th on Carolina in TOI/GP, with 21:55.
Oleksiak is 3rd on Seattle in TOI/GP, with 19:13.
Romanov is 5th on NYI in TOI/GP, with 19:34.
Roy is 4th on LA in TOI/GP, with 18:35.
Dumoulin is 4th on Pittsburgh in TOI/GP, with 20:25.
Martinez is 4th on Vegas in TOI/GP, with 19:00.
Schmidt is 5th on Winnipeg in TOI/GP, with 19:01.
Kulak is 4th on Edmonton in TOI/GP, with 18:02.
Graves is 5th on NJ in TOI/GP, with 19:45.
Johnson is 6th on Colorado in TOI/GP, with 17:32.
Carlo is 4th on Boston in TOI/GP, with 18:39.

I think I was more than fair in finding comparable usage and player quality.

 

[All Mod Cons]

Hate to bring it up but remember this is the same core players that lost to a Zamboni driver who worked for their minor league affiliate. Does anyone actually expect them to have a Cup winning mentality?

They let him win apparently.

 

[hotpaws]

Sign him, 2/3 years
We replace him with who? If there was a clear upgrade ok but is there?
This is the best team we have taken into the playoff in a very long time
It’s on the players now not dubas. Previous years yes he didn’t pull the trigger on upgrades at deadline but he’s super young as a gm.
He’s learning as he goes, much like he is now recognizing that you can’t just build on talent but u need the grit also
He’s learning, done great with trades and signings, finding good cheap ufa
So a few more years to really determine if he’s an elite gm or not, would hate to give up on him early

-they'll be a lineup of respected front office exec's if we have an opening
-this is the best team we've taken into the playoffs since last yr and last yr was the best since the yr before and so on
-saying it's all on the players means you believe we're clear favorites to win the cup , do you believe we are now the favorites ?
-so now it's he's learning as he goes while i've heard nothing but praise for his performance since day 1 , strange
- even if we gave him a few more to try to win if we didn't , do you actually believe his supporters make up other reasons to keep him ?
-he's made many questionable and bad trades which tried to be justified or spun

Dubas has to win , if we get knocked out early again and he's brought back the perception will be ownership is not interested in winning and is just content on a portraying some squeaky clean corp woke culture .

 

[All Mod Cons]

I'd rather the team be built properly than a round of playoffs won. As bad as its been, most think/know as soon as one round is won, it would probably snowball into a few rounds won.

Why would it?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Why would it?

Bc that's the hurdle they are trying to overcome. It's not that the teams they have lost to beat them, it's that they have beaten themselves imo.

 

[All Mod Cons]

They have their first for the next two years.

They have far more than 1.5 prospects.

They also have the option of trading 1 of either Nylander, Matthews or Marner which would all bring back a good haul.

You might be correct that they don't have a lot of top 6 projected players, they do have guys in the system that can contribute to an NHL team.

Draft picks are dicey at best and having all your 3rd round picks doesn't mean they will ever produce an NHL player.

They don't have their first round draft picks for the next two years.

Bc that's the hurdle they are trying to overcome. It's not that the teams they have lost to beat them, it's that they have beaten themselves imo.

Isn't it far more likely they lose to the Bruins if they beat the Lightning, rather than overcoming both?

 

[A1LeafNation]

They don't have their first round draft picks for the next two years.


Isn't it far more likely they lose to the Bruins if they beat the Lightning, rather than overcoming both?

Two good teams, can't say if we will win or lose wither, but neither can they.

Leafs are right there in the mix with two of the top powerhouses in the NHL, and that's all we can ask as fans.

 

[thusk]

i'm thinking you're over rating how good a player McCabe is if you believe he's anywhere near the caliber of Ekholm or that he can be used to shut down top lines , well he can be used but it won't turn out well for us

you should have left it at paying extra to get retention while also acquiring a decent 4/5 type D was good asset mgmt , the issue then is that the majority of the deadline moves were win now moves and not building for the future and the goal for emptying our draft capital is to win now

as for still having cap space for ROR , sure if he wants to sign here and for a reasonable term as well as cap hit but if he's looking to score as much he can and for as long as he can like he has in the past i have no interest in a 4/5 yr or longer term for a 32 year old with a sizable cap

this being said i believe Dubies t/d moves were pretty good and a hell of a lot better than T-Bays , still don't understand their move nut f*** them , lol

I never said mccabe is as good, i said get exemple both of ror and mccabe at the same price is much better than ekholm and a meh player at minimum salary.

4M of salary have a lot of value

 

[Jojalu]

They don't have their first round draft picks for the next two years.


Isn't it far more likely they lose to the Bruins if they beat the Lightning, rather than overcoming both?

Fine. They have a first round pick the next two years.

Boston's this year, then their own in 24.

 

[GoLeafsGo96]

Should have given him an extension last year.

If they lose he'll be gone.

And it'll be a big mistake frankly.

 

[hotpaws]

I never said mccabe is as good, i said get exemple both of ror and mccabe at the same price is much better than ekholm and a meh player at minimum salary.

4M of salary have a lot of value

hopefully this 2-fer works out better than the last one (Kadri trade)

 

[PromisedLand]

i have a feeling regardless of what happens in the playoffs 1st round exit or not. I think they will extend dubas regardless.

i think them not giving dubas an extension this season is just a charade and nothing else. they are trying to look 'competent' as if to say we value accountability and what not.

If leafs make it to the 2nd round and beyond that will be their justification while maintaining that the extension is merit based

and if leafs lose again in the 1st round, they will still extend him using some other justification some of which are already in this thread

This thread would end up being pointless in the end

 

[keonsbitterness]

i think them not giving dubas an extension this season is just a charade and nothing else. they are trying to look 'competent' as if to say we value accountability and what not.

I disagree, but they're risking losing total credibility if it's a charade.

 

[Dragao6]

-they'll be a lineup of respected front office exec's if we have an opening
-this is the best team we've taken into the playoffs since last yr and last yr was the best since the yr before and so on
-saying it's all on the players means you believe we're clear favorites to win the cup , do you believe we are now the favorites ?
-so now it's he's learning as he goes while i've heard nothing but praise for his performance since day 1 , strange
- even if we gave him a few more to try to win if we didn't do you actually believe his supporters would actually arguments wouldn't be made to keep him ?
-he's made many questionable and bad trades which tried to be justified or spun

Dubas has to win , if we get knocked out early again and he's brought back the perception will be ownership is not interested in winning and is just content on a portraying some squeaky clean corp woke culture .

That’s fine but u honestly thought we had any chance going into the playoffs last year or years prior?

And name me the long list of bad trades??

And outside of Boston yes I’d put us next!

 

[ShaneFalco]

I'd he available, why is he better?


Sound like you want the mystery box...it could even be a boat!!!

yes because beyond Dubas and his experience there's noone out there