Please Grade Dubas on today's Free Agent Pickups.

[notbias]

Bunting - B. Good kid, decent player but not tough as I thought he woudl be, not a goal scorer either. Considering he has played all his games with Tavares and Matthews, I am not sure what else he needs to get more points. Has looked out of place on first line. Maybe he needs more time

Kampf: -C Was never a fan. Players like him look good, but really at the end of the day don't amount much. Especially for a 3rd liner. Take a look at every championship third liners, they can contribute offensively. . St Louis had Bozak, Tempa has had Tyler Jhonsson as Centers. All of those players can contribute 40 points a season and 10+ goals

Kase B+ - So far so good. He's the only one I am excited about. He has shown much improvements considering he hasn't played full seasons last 3 years

Ritchie - F - Again was never a fan of this pick up.

Semeyonov - Still too early. Looked decent but so far looks like every other player. Decent skater and that's about it

Mrazek - meh

Correct me if I am wrong, but you generally bring up cap hit when complaining about the high-end players, mind comparing those players you just rated against their cap now? And adjust the rating accordingly?

 

[ACC1224]

so they didn't pay the proper value but they got him for free instead ? lol

Dubie overplayed his hand and came out looking like an idiot again

There's probably 3 people who feel this was a good move and they are typically wrong about everything anyway, just looking for attention.

Out of all the wrong moves he's made this is a pretty minor one. Funny though that even something so simple he managed to F up.

 

[Bomber0104]

Edm was getting what they wanted regardless , Dubie could have had a free lottery ticket but he f***ed it up .

and when did Dubie become the chosen one to set what's proper value ? lol

Between turning down a free draft pick, valuing Justin Holl over Jared McCann, using our very last dollar of capspace to sign 4th liner Nick Ritchie, and then signing a made-of-glass backup for Campbell for $3.8M over 3 years, it was a banner off-season for the Dubas "value" system

 

[redgrant]

Maybe he wants to make it as hard as possible for other teams to succeed and retain their talent? Draisaitl and McDavid have to be renegotiated in that time.

If someone said "you have a 3% chance of getting a quality NHL player out of this pick, or Edmonton has 500k less cap space each year", I'd choose the cap space.

You can value whatever side of it you want, but cap space is very valuable right now, Dubas wanted more and didn't cave, the usual "we hate Dubas cause he caves to everyone" should be happy.

See I don't understand why? Why would you rather Edmonton have 500k less cap space if you're the gm of Toronto. Realistically you'll play maybe 2 times a year.

It's like throwing away a lottery ticket without checking it because odds are low you would win.

Dubas is supposed to be the analytics stats guy and he lost a basic game theory tradeoff.

 

[Dekes For Days]

There's probably 3 people who feel this was a good horrible move and they are typically wrong about everything anyway, just looking for attention.

Fixed that for ya. Surprised we're still talking about something so insignificant in the first place though.

 

[4thline]

See I don't understand why? Why would you rather Edmonton have 500k less cap space if you're the gm of Toronto. Realistically you'll play maybe 2 times a year.

It's like throwing away a lottery ticket without checking it because odds are low you would win.

Dubas is supposed to be the analytics stats guy and he lost a basic game theory tradeoff.

For me it's two fold.
A. the principle of the thing. one year of 400-500k cap space has been shown fairly repeatedly to be worth a 4th-6th round pick. This deal enable 7 years of that. a standalone 6th was a lowball on that front. Second front, a 5th-7th is a pretty standard price to just *talk* to a UFA early. The 8th year for holding rights is that much more valuable. Kyle did Holland a favour by waiving the *talk* price in the hopes of realizing that extra value, Holland refused to pay for it. in a closed business environment there's value in standing your ground. With the stakes so low, why not.

Of course, the counterargument is that it cost the leafs nothing to do the Oil a massive favour and that goodwill could be beneficial down the line, but I don't think it's hard to infer that Holland tried to spin it the pick as "take it or leave it, I'm doing YOU the favour" and that there was a certain amount of screw you in the Leafs decision to decline.

B. (less consequential) Yeah it hurts a rival. Maybe that 5ook takes them out of the running on a player the Leafs like. Maybe they do need that space year after year and bleed picks in retention deals.

 

[notbias]

See I don't understand why? Why would you rather Edmonton have 500k less cap space if you're the gm of Toronto. Realistically you'll play maybe 2 times a year.

It's like throwing away a lottery ticket without checking it because odds are low you would win.

Dubas is supposed to be the analytics stats guy and he lost a basic game theory tradeoff.

Why would Dubas want a team with a similarly aged core to be slightly less competitive? No clue

 

[IPS]

B. (less consequential) Yeah it hurts a rival.

A rival?!?! They're not even in our f***ing conference.

Holy god the lengths some of you go to in order to defend Dubas' failures.

 

[ACC1224]

A rival?!?! They're not even in our f***ing conference.

Holy god the lengths some of you go to in order to defend Dubas' failures.

In before the deep thinkers bring up you hate his glasses.

 

[IPS]

In before the deep thinkers bring up you hate his glasses.

Truth be told it's such a minor thing that probably makes little difference when all is said and done. It just says so much that the Dubas supporters can't even concede something this minor.

 

[zeke]

Holy god the lengths some of you go to in order to defend Dubas' failures.

Leafs - 100pt pace, top-5 analytics, with the entire team in a shooting slump no less.

and yet some go to great lengths (holy god) to scream endlessly about what an embarassing disaster our GM is in every thread.

 

[IPS]

Leafs - 100pt pace, top-5 analytics, with the entire team in a shooting slump no less.

and yet some go to great lengths (holy god) to scream endlessly about what an embarassing disaster our GM is in every thread.

-A 14 game sample size

-3 years of Dubas' team failing in the 1st round

If you want to act like there's no reason at all to be critical of the Leafs GM, have at it pal.

 

[zeke]

-A 14 game sample size

-3 years of Dubas' team failing in the 1st round

If you want to act like there's no reason at all to be critical of the Leafs GM, have at it pal.

EMBARASSING DISASTER!!!!

I AM ANGRY AT EVERYONE WHO DEFENDS THIS DISGRACE!!!

in every thread. its funny.

 

[IPS]

EMBARASSING DISASTER!!!!

I AM ANGRY AT EVERYONE WHO DEFENDS THIS DISGRACE!!!

in every thread. its funny.

Choking a 3-1 lead to Montreal unfortunately destroyed a lot of this fanbase's faith in the GM. I think it would have been more palatable if they didn't also lose out to a scrub team like Columbus the year before.

 

[zeke]

Choking a 3-1 lead to Montreal unfortunately destroyed a lot of this fanbase's faith in the GM. I think it would have been more palatable if they didn't also lose out to a scrub team like Columbus the year before.

So let's make sure to yell THE GM IS AN EMBARASSMENT in every thread all year long no matter what the team does on the ice.

 

[IPS]

So let's make sure to yell THE GM IS AN EMBARASSMENT in every thread all year long no matter what the team does on the ice.

If that's how you want to frame real and reasonable criticisms put against Dubas, sure.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Campbell is blossoming into an elite #1G. I can forgive Dubas if Mrazak turns out to be a mistake.

The rest of the acquisitions also seem somewhat underwhelming to me. Voted C to start but would consider changing it to a D.

Kampf Kase & bunting have been as expected, mrazek’s been injured and only Ritchie has been bad. How is that a D?

Edm was getting what they wanted regardless , Dubie could have had a free lottery ticket but he f***ed it up .

and when did Dubie become the chosen one to set what's proper value ? lol

When Kenny Holland asked him to do a favour that has no precedence in the NHL. That’s when.

 

[hotpaws]

When Kenny Holland asked him to do a favour that has no precedence in the NHL. That’s when.

and how'd that work out for Dubis ?

the problem you and Dubie had were believing the Leafs held all the leverage when in fact Dubie had little to none since Holland could easily afford the extra 300k or so by going a yr shorter

 

[zeke]

If that's how you want to frame real and reasonable criticisms put against Dubas, sure.

you're the one framing reasonable disagreements as ridiculous.

but then you just admitted that you've preconceived your opinion of Dubas this year based on the playoffs loss, and nothing will change your mind, so at least we're clear.

 

[Nylanderthal]

and how'd that work out for Dubis ?

the problem you and Dubie had were believing the Leafs held all the leverage when in fact Dubie had little to none since Holland could easily afford the extra 300k or so by going a yr shorter

That’s fine. No ones crying over a 6th round pick.
The way this organization manufactures ELC players via Europe and ncaa FA’s along with their knack for trading back in the entry draft I’d rather uphold my principles than give in for the 177th pick.

 

[4thline]

That’s fine. No ones crying over a 6th round pick.
The way this organization manufactures ELC players via Europe and ncaa FA’s along with their knack for trading back in the entry draft I’d rather uphold my principles than give in for the 177th pick.

It's that simple (well except for the people crying over said 6 round pick lol). Hyman was leaving to the oilers. We did not have a pick. The Oilers wanted something from us that we though was worth more then they were willing to pay. The status quo remained unchanged.

 

[4thline]

In before the deep thinkers bring up you hate his glasses.

Given the title of the thread, shouldn't you be bitching about squirrels? Or is that reserved for when off-topic negativity gets drowned out?

 

[IPS]

you're the one framing reasonable disagreements as ridiculous.

By your standards, I probably am.

but then you just admitted that you've preconceived your opinion of Dubas this year based on the playoffs loss, and nothing will change your mind, so at least we're clear.

Oh of course I did.

 

[4thline]

A rival?!?! They're not even in our f***ing conference.

Holy god the lengths some of you go to in order to defend Dubas' failures.

What do the words "less consequential" mean to you?

 

[crump]

Didn't know where to put this, but look at the worst turnover rates..all free agents.

Analyzing the Maple Leafs' turnover rates and what it means for the team