Player Discussion: PLD

[BatVader]

Is like to see an even split as well, but the numbers should be situationally based. Our bottom 6 is good enough to play more if the game circumstance warrants it

Agreed

 

[Gnova]

Ha, ha, ha. You called Andrew Copp a 'star'. Right on, you just nade my point. A star is definitely worth more than okay, holding water at their position players.
I never said Copp was a star. He is playing deserved higher minutes, role worthy hockey right now and team is doing well so why shoot him down the list so quickly?
All I refer to is posters who say Copp is lousy, not worth mire low pay, shut-down, 4th line role, eat your words and thoughts because tge early season he his top 5 player on the ream in offense and top #'s in all metrics. His last contract that went yo arbitration was because he wanted real value for what felt he could bring having worked hard and accepted his previous roles and learning the systems and showing commitment and loyalty. Players producing like he is now ina secondary role are paid way more than 2.28 $ mil per year on most teams. Chevy was only offering under $2mil and for longer term.
Like him or not, he is worth +side of $3mil per season.
But keep your hate-on for a developed player who is now producing

I don't hate Copp but anyone putting his imprtance above a top 4 D has him way overvalued especially given the difference between the Jets forward depth compared to its defense depth.
$2-3 million a year is the salary window I see for Copp. A few decent games doesn't change that.

 

[JetsJets]

Following the moderators’ guidance in posting a translated excerpt of this Radio-Canada article/op-ed, as PLD’s father himself (at 4:30 in the IC video) references its author Martin Leclerc. Eric Dubois says the piece reflects "exactly what has happened since the start of the season":

article excerpts:

"You don't get yelled at for three years without that leaving a mark....

When training camp got underway, John Tortorella's assistants were ordered to stop speaking to Dubois. The latter then realized the obvious: communication had broken down and his work environment was no longer the same."

Actually interesting (even if a coincidence) in light of that previous tidbit that Eric Dubois retweeted the following about a football player and 'respect and disrespect' on January 16. The quote that jumps out is, "'Just shut up and play': we’re done with that era."
Perhaps it had some resonance for him with his son's situation. Whatever the case, looking forward to PLD getting back on the ice and moving forward with the Jets.

https://twitter.com/ericdub69454462

 

[Skidooboy]

I don't hate Copp but anyone putting his imprtance above a top 4 D has him way overvalued especially given the difference between the Jets forward depth compared to its defense depth.
$2-3 million a year is the salary window I see for Copp. A few decent games doesn't change that.

The next "Copp" is already here within the organization and with longterm Control and XD protection. there is no need for us to continue to develop Copp, we can't really afford him, and If we trade him for a pick or player we can probably be a better team.

and that's even if Copp has begun to "peak" and this isn't just a product of line mates and puck luck.

 

[Tommigun]

How the hell does Harkins get the top line? He probably belongs in the PB the way he started. And Ves on the 3rd line. Meanwhile Lowry has more points than Stastny, but he should be on the 4th?

Just make it easy: Copp had success, but he is replacement success. Which you can go back too next time you need to. Tinker with the top line.

Dubois-Scheifele-Wheeler (two centres are better than one)
Connor-Stastny-Ehlers
Copp-Lowry-Appleton (true shutdown line)
Perreault-Lewis on the 4th line. No one has been good at centre though, not Harkins, not Gustafsson, not Thompson. Maybe Suess is up next.

Yeah, let’s trade for a center and when the 2C center situation is finally resolved, put him as a winger on the first line

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

The next "Copp" is already here within the organization and with longterm Control and XD protection. there is no need for us to continue to develop Copp, we can't really afford him, and If we trade him for a pick or player we can probably be a better team.

and that's even if Copp has begun to "peak" and this isn't just a product of line mates and puck luck.

Who's the player within the organization that you speak of?

 

[blues10]

Nice to see the PLD thread has devolved to its current state. A discussion of anything but PLD. Kudos to the Mods and all of their hard work when trying to keep the discussions in line with the thread. It can’t be an easy job.

 

[Zhamnov5GoalGame]

I don't hate Copp but anyone putting his imprtance above a top 4 D has him way overvalued especially given the difference between the Jets forward depth compared to its defense depth.
$2-3 million a year is the salary window I see for Copp. A few decent games doesn't change that.

Would you say the same thing if he has a career year and continues to excel at both ends of the ice? Maybe we can't afford him but we need one of him or Lowry long term.

 

[WolfHouse]

Nice to see the PLD thread has devolved to its current state. A discussion of anything but PLD. Kudos to the Mods and all of their hard work when trying to keep the discussions in line with the thread. It can’t be an easy job.

Kudos really is an under-used word these days...

 

[Daximus]

Would you say the same thing if he has a career year and continues to excel at both ends of the ice? Maybe we can't afford him but we need one of him or Lowry long term.

I lean towards keeping both and I think both are doable on short term deals. The thing is can they get longer term elsewhere? No doubt some teams are licking their chops hoping both hit FA.

 

[Gnova]

Would you say the same thing if he has a career year and continues to excel at both ends of the ice? Maybe we can't afford him but we need one of him or Lowry long term.

I'll take Lowry over Copp in that scenario. In that role, if we are talking about replacing Lowry, the team needs size and a bit of nastiness.
If the team was still loaded with enough size to intimidate the choice would be really close though.

I don't want anyone to think that I don't like Copp, I do. I just look at him with multi-year glasses, not 7 game window glasses. The Jets can't keep every player and still manage to hold on to the elite talent.

 

[Jet]

I'm not calling for Scheifele to be demoted, but... How much is that offence worth if the other team scores more?

I think that's due to long shifts/ too many minutes. I believe if they can get down to around 20 minutes a game with 45 second shifts that will improve.

 

[truck]

I think that's due to long shifts/ too many minutes. I believe if they can get down to around 20 minutes a game with 45 second shifts that will improve.

The coach either disagrees or is incapable of enforcing this, because he's keep rewarding Scheifele with more and more an more ice time.

 

[Jack722]

Nice to see the PLD thread has devolved to its current state. A discussion of anything but PLD. Kudos to the Mods and all of their hard work when trying to keep the discussions in line with the thread. It can’t be an easy job.

Have to confess I don't understand consternation with organic conversations veering into various related topics. Why do you feel that this is something that needs to be strictly policed?

 

[Daximus]

The coach either disagrees or is incapable of enforcing this, because he's keep rewarding Scheifele with more and more an more ice time.

I think its interesting to note that the game against Edmonton we lost, Scheifele played 20 minutes. The game we won? He played 26 minutes.

 

[WolfHouse]

I think its interesting to note that the game against Edmonton we lost, Scheifele played 20 minutes. The game we won? He played 26 minutes.

That game we won was baffling though - 2nd and 3rd lines were shutting the oil down, we're up by two goals and Mo goes right back to a visibly exhausted top line...

Hard to judge against the Oilers because they suck though

 

[JetsFan815]

I think that's due to long shifts/ too many minutes. I believe if they can get down to around 20 minutes a game with 45 second shifts that will improve.

Scheifele is never going to average 45 seconds shifts esp due to the PP and being doubleshifted on PP2 at times and that's fine. He just needs to get down to the low 50s and I think he will, his shift lengths thus far this season are anomalies esp since if you look at Wheeler's shift lengths they are much more reasonable so it is not a directive from the coaching staff to that line to stay out there longer.

 

[Daximus]

That game we won was baffling though - 2nd and 3rd lines were shutting the oil down, we're up by two goals and Mo goes right back to a visibly exhausted top line...

Hard to judge against the Oilers because they suck though

Yeah and Edmonton likes to double shift McDavid/Drai when they are down so it's damn hard to get everyone out against them consistently while keeping everyone rested. And if you get the wrong matchup there they can make you pay quickly.

 

[Turin]

Stastny-Dubois-Ehlers
Connor-Scheifele-Wheeler
Copp-Lowry-Appleton

Am I out of my mind or would that be horrible? My main contention is where to slot in Stastny because he could be a waste on L3.

 

[Jack722]

Yeah and Edmonton likes to double shift McDavid/Drai when they are down so it's damn hard to get everyone out against them consistently while keeping everyone rested. And if you get the wrong matchup there they can make you pay quickly.

Question though... Do you think CSW vs RNH - McDavid - Pulju is "the right matchup" to avoid having them make us pay?

 

[Daximus]

Question though... Do you think CSW vs RNH - McDavid - Pulju is "the right matchup" to avoid having them make us pay?

The thing is when Edmonton is down, Drai gets bumped up to that line too and they get double shifted a lot to try open the matchups. It's basically how Edmonton wins games. Ride the top two lines until closer to the end of the game and then just throw McDavid/Drai out together as much as possible to try and feast on a bad matchup.

 

[Jack722]

The thing is when Edmonton is down, Drai gets bumped up to that line too and they get double shifted a lot to try open the matchups. It's basically how Edmonton wins games. Ride the top two lines until closer to the end of the game and then just throw McDavid/Drai out together as much as possible to try and feast on a bad matchup.

Right, but surely CSW is not the answer to absorbing that offense is it? To me that seems like the worst matchup possible... Wouldn't we rather have an ice-tilting line like CSE or Lowry out against them?

 

[WolfHouse]

Yeah and Edmonton likes to double shift McDavid/Drai when they are down so it's damn hard to get everyone out against them consistently while keeping everyone rested. And if you get the wrong matchup there they can make you pay quickly.

The trouble was that the wrong matchup WAS the first line...

 

[Guardian17]

I still have a lot to learn and I think this is the best place for me.


Pierre-Luc Dubois : Un compétiteur en quarantaine

 

[Skidooboy]

Who's the player within the organization that you speak of?

one of Vesalinen,Harkins,Perfetti,Suess, or Luoto. My Bet is Suess.