Player Discussion: PLD

[10Ducky10]

That’s true, though having Dubois take on the other team’s toughest lines frees Scheifele up from that task and they would benefit from that.

Dubois might be better suited for that role also.

I agree and think he eventually will fill that role.
Just think, PLD's line and Lowry's line facing the other team's two best lines and Scheif's and Stastny's lines feasting...if they check Scheif, PLD's line feasts.
I really hope Maurice keeps Stastny at center.

 

[Finnflash]

Found this. Not sure it had been posted yet.



Battalion Breakdown: Looking at Pierre-Luc Dubois' season


Sent from my iPhone

 

[Gumbyman2]

That whole clip was so over inflated. How many times do you see guys do that and no one says anything

I feel like it was a set up to make Dubois the villian and Cbus the heros

Scheifele showed us his version in the 1st Edmonton last second loss game. And way before his 3rd period late in the game getting deked off his feet literally by McDavid to go on to score.
He showed "low level compete " early in the game a fes times in his own dnd and later up the ice when he could have got to but was esily beat, mostly because his effort looked like near zero. 2 weak strides and gliding behind the play much of the night. He was outplayed and out-competed by his opposing players lines out against merely all night. For the amount of icetime he gets, the players he plays with, the amount of hype and responsibility as a leader given him, and his salary along with previously proven abilities, skills, successes and shown effort, he should not have had as much icetime or freedoms of coaches respect irregardless of effort shown. If he was ill, or just burned out, he shiuld have been man enough to tell the coach I am not going tonight, I can't keep up so give somebody who is more ready a chance to take on more icetime. I would respect him more for that kind of hobesty and humility than just gluding around and getting best, outplayed all night. He & Wheels have shown subtle signs of this in stretches over 2 seasons now, lack of defensice covering and help while staying out on shifts for over a minute when they are not producing, far too often. This is on and has been the coaches allowing it unscathed far too often. I believe it has been this issue as much as locker room attitudes that led Laine to second-rate and a narrow window for personal growth in team importance. Pomo initiated this sentiment by his coachinng decisions. Not defending Laine in he ix faultless, just trying make light of some team short-comings that helped Patty to believe he might prosper better elsewhere. Hopefully with a more rounded out roster of pieces goiing forward and the intro of PLD to
the lineup helps the team cohesiveness and regular success.

 

[Gumbyman2]

Can’t really understand how he could play that shift like that in the ”i don’t care” manner. Unforgettable egoistic behavior, he can have zero of that in Jets or there’s gonna be huge problems. A single player is never larger than the team, at least not PLD

Probably shows that if he is not comfortable with the locker room, coaching style, demeanor and useage of him, but is trying his best that he may develop disinterested feelings and act out again.
You never know, but it could happen because he showed it before.
I want to believe that his situation coming in here, refreshed, new start, a very active, vocal, respectful hockey market joining a fairly young team with lots of solid parts and decent chemistry and a younger core signed for a few years, adding that his dad works for the organization and his parents have a home in Winnipeg, and that Maurice with all his "favorite players tendancies" in certain situations and icetimes, is NO Tortella the Angry Freak of a person or coach.
Bodes very well for young PLD to start anew and forge a better path going forward as a Jet.

 

[Gumbyman2]

I think Torts will try with Laine atleast to start off with but 6 weeks into Laine's tenure in Columbus if Laine is having a bunch of bad shifts and turning the puck over I don't think Torts has it in him to control his emotions in the heat of the moment.



Great post. What Laine wanted was to be Winnipeg's Eichel where the entire team is around him, he gets top minutes and top icetime in every situation regardless of individual or team results and the GM to pay him 10 million.

That's what's going to be interesting about Columbus. He will get top minutes there but will he commit to them with his next contract if he doesn't have a top C to play with?

Don't forget, Torts is Torts. He has vocalled to the media day 1 since the trade that no one player is above his wrath and scrutiny and judgement. He is the coach and he believes it is his job to force the best out of each player in what he deems is "what the best is".
Sorry Patty , you are entering a Lion's den and you are wearing a young abandoned Lionness' coat, right now.
Only bright side I see in Torts accepting of Laine and his "skillset", is Torts did relay how impressed he is with Laine's ability to streak down the wing and snap the puck right through goalies as though they didn't see the puck until it was going the otherr way from hitting the twine behind them. He said he can't wait to get Patty in the lineup and see him do this in a CBJ's jersey.
And Kekalainen will probably cottle Patty and try to "protect him" from Torts' tirades, at least to try to get him to resign longer term with them.
Good luck wuth all that patty, and CBJ! Cheers.I

 

[Gumbyman2]

"Scheifele should be at 3C"

Never change HFJets, never change.

Hee, hee, hee...I know it will never happen unless scheifele benches himself. Just pointing out that players can be "off" any given night. Also saying that if no other players should get a bump-free ride after showing lack of effort, neither should Scheifele for his effort most of Tuesday's game against Edmonton. Or Wheeler, when he is "off" and foes not turn things around, change the bad habit, effort quickly. This team needs them to compete at their best in all areas of the game and ice. They are the leaders and need to continue to lead by example as much as "speak". Scheif/Wheels lack of defensive effort is going to be thiis rosters' undoing, more so than their supposed less than stellar defensive group, IMO.
You got it Whileee, no easy rides on this HfBoards!

 

[Jet]

This pretty much aligns with my thoughts of the situation.

 

[Gumbyman2]

He is playing 25 minutes a night against the other teams top line and contributing on the score sheet.
If Scheifele's line was playing against the same matchups as the 2nd line they would be tearing up the score sheet.
The second line is looking so great because they aren't having to do the heavy lifting that the 1st line is doing.

Likely something to that but they are also tearing it up by their own effort and push! They are still back checking and covering opponents in their own end, reducing shots against and turning it up ice against the opponent regularly. Its not like they are playing against complete bush league level defenders, forwards or goalies, or 4th line AHL roster players.

 

[Jet]

By all accounts Trouba got along with his teammates and fit into the room really well but his wife/girlfriend/whatever seemed to be the one wearing the cup in that relationship. Bogosian wasn't chased away, he was shipped out for Myers. Kane didn't really get along with anyone from fans to teammates and he wanted out before he even stepped foot in Winnipeg. He hated the market. That had nothing to do with culture he just didn't like Winnipeg or the people in it. Burmi left because he hated the first coach, everyone did, join the club. Chiarot wasn't resigned because we didn't want to pay him what he inevitably got from Montreal.

Scheifele, Ehlers, Connor, Hellebuyck, Morrissey have all stuck it out with this team long term. No matter what we are going to lose players in a market like Winnipeg. This isn't Tampa with sunshine, beaches and no taxes. Some players aren't going to want to play here, good, hopefully the door gives them a swift smack in the ass on the way out. Those aren't the players we want on this team anyway. Buy into the culture, buy into the city and buy into the fans and you are welcome with open arms.

Lets not kid ourselves about Jake Trouba - he wanted to play in a big market so he could get someone to buy his app

 

[BatVader]

And I hadn't even gotten to trade Scheifele for a bonafide top tier RD.

Just play Scheifele as 1RD

 

[Gurilla]

So when can we see him play? Getting impatient

 

[Jet]

Scheif takes on the other team's toughest lines and our other lines benefit from this.

Also the fact that Scheifele is currently at a 35g 117pt pace (regular 82 game season) and people think he needs a fire lit under his ass?

People are so hell bent on splitting up Scheifele and Wheeler but they are ridiculously consistent in producing offense. The goal is to give a few extra minutes to a PLD led second line and you will see both lines benefit.

 

[BatVader]

Also the fact that Scheifele is currently at a 35g 117pt pace (regular 82 game season) and people think he needs a fire lit under his ass?

People are so hell bent on splitting up Scheifele and Wheeler but they are ridiculously consistent in producing offense. The goal is to give a few extra minutes to a PLD led second line and you will see both lines benefit.

I’d like to see an even split between the top 2 lines in minutes... 21/21/10/8

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

So when can we see him play? Getting impatient

Bunker down.

Unless we get an exemption for a full 2 week quarantine, PLD won't be able to join the team till Feb 7.

If he needs a few practices before suiting up, that would probably have him debuting on Feb 11 against Calgary.

 

[rav722]

I dont think laine demanded special treatment. Perhaps he expected it since in all previous teams he got it. When reality doesn't match expectations some young men don't take it well. That's my take on elaine's unhappiness in wpg.

I think the Jets have been trying to build a very "Winnipeg" style team. Blue collar, hard working, filled with guys who have come up through the system and contributed at every level. I think that's exactly the type of team that Wheeler, Schief and Morrissey have been instructed to create. Everyone has earned their stripes whether it was warranted or not. Laine came in and demanded a different type of treatment that didn't follow that style and I think that went against the blue collar hard working leave your ego at the door type of style the Jets want to create.

I have nothing against that style of leadership, sure it may be lead to guys getting less opportunity early but ultimately if everyone buys into that mentality then I think things will work out for them and it looks like if you do buy in then you get opportunities to prove you can contribute. Kane and Laine were very similar in that regard, Laine just actually backed it up with his goals. I think the biggest issue was that he demanded that he play with certain players and if the rumours are true those players didn't feel comfortable playing with him. Likely due to his lackadaisical defensive effort, which is something coming from those players as they aren't exactly defensive stalwarts themselves.

 

[Jet]

I’d like to see an even split between the top 2 lines in minutes... 21/21/10/8

Is like to see an even split as well, but the numbers should be situationally based. Our bottom 6 is good enough to play more if the game circumstance warrants it

 

[truck]

Also the fact that Scheifele is currently at a 35g 117pt pace (regular 82 game season) and people think he needs a fire lit under his ass?

People are so hell bent on splitting up Scheifele and Wheeler but they are ridiculously consistent in producing offense. The goal is to give a few extra minutes to a PLD led second line and you will see both lines benefit.

I'm not calling for Scheifele to be demoted, but... How much is that offence worth if the other team scores more?

 

[Gnova]

I just keep coming back to any lineup that features Lowry on the 4th line is one that Maurice isn't going to use. If he's healthy he is getting top 9 minutes and in many games top 6 minutes (if the Jets are protecting a lead).

Lowry would get those minutes even on the 4th line but to special teams work.
I agree with you though, he is not going to be put on the 4th line.
Do you think the Jets have any chance of re-signing him if they toss him onto a 4th line? He will bolt and I think he is an important asset.

 

[Gumbyman2]

Do not forget fans, PLD will cost the Jets big $$$ at end of next season, or earlier if resigning early occurs. Especially if PLD fits in smoothly right away and excels to high end defending, face-off wins, opponent scorers controlling and producing himself with linemates. If Jets progress further in success with this new young star add-on, he is going to want big dollars, don't kid yourself.
I saw a hockey panel, us sports channel ftom east coast US, saying they heard a big part of PLD wanting out of Columbus was because He He offer for resigning was never going to be more than $7 mil per year and PLD let them know his displeasure and signed 2 years at $5 mil with the understanding they would try to trade him soon. Tortorella's treatment of him was just a final straw to his wanting out sooner.
Jets are actaully only saving on PLD over PLaine next season, later on if Laine is signed ( somewhere?) for much more than PLD signs his nsxt contract. He wanted alot more than what Columbus was offering and signed an agreeable bridge of 2 years to be paid very well still for a 22 yr old in these economic times!! And be more attractive/ affordable to most teams on a trade.
Hope he proves his value and worth of the $$$ he is being paid and will be paid. Bonus for Jets is that hopefully we will be a better team with him than with Laine & Roslo.
Future drafting should focus higher rounds on RW's and rhs RD!

 

[Atoyot]

Scheif takes on the other team's toughest lines and our other lines benefit from this.

What's the point of having a designated shutdown line if Scheif's line is the one that keeps taking the tougher matchups? McDavid caved in Scheif's line in game 1 and it lost us the game. We gave their best players an easy matchup while neutering the players that we need to score goals. They were hemmed in their own zone most of the night.

 

[Jack722]

What's the point of having a designated shutdown line if Scheif's line is the one that keeps taking the tougher matchups? McDavid caved in Scheif's line in game 1 and it lost us the game. We gave their best players an easy matchup while neutering the players that we need to score goals. They were hemmed in their own zone most of the night.

Why in god's name would you match a line of players who are bad defensively with other teams' #1's in the first place?

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

Just play Scheifele as 1RD

Really want to see that tank thread, eh?

 

[Gumbyman2]

Right now both Pionk and Demelo are worth way more than Copp unless he learns to play as a top 4 D.

A few successful games and suddenly Copp is a star....

Ha, ha, ha. You called Andrew Copp a 'star'. Right on, you just nade my point. A star is definitely worth more than okay, holding water at their position players.
I never said Copp was a star. He is playing deserved higher minutes, role worthy hockey right now and team is doing well so why shoot him down the list so quickly?
All I refer to is posters who say Copp is lousy, not worth mire low pay, shut-down, 4th line role, eat your words and thoughts because tge early season he his top 5 player on the ream in offense and top #'s in all metrics. His last contract that went yo arbitration was because he wanted real value for what felt he could bring having worked hard and accepted his previous roles and learning the systems and showing commitment and loyalty. Players producing like he is now ina secondary role are paid way more than 2.28 $ mil per year on most teams. Chevy was only offering under $2mil and for longer term.
Like him or not, he is worth +side of $3mil per season.
But keep your hate-on for a developed player who is now producing

 

[Gumbyman2]

Ha, ha, ha. You called Andrew Copp a 'star'. Right on, you just nade my point. A star is definitely worth more than okay, holding water at their position players.
I never said Copp was a star. He is playing deserved higher minutes, role worthy hockey right now and team is doing well so why shoot him down the list so quickly?
All I refer to is posters who say Copp is lousy, not worth more than lower pay, shut-down, 4th line role, eat your words and thoughts because tge early season he his top 5 player on the ream in offense and top #'s in all metrics. His last contract that went yo arbitration was because he wanted real value for what felt he could bring having worked hard and accepted his previous roles and learning the systems and showing commitment and loyalty. Players producing like he is now ina secondary role are paid way more than 2.28 $ mil per year on most teams. Chevy was only offering under $2mil and for longer term.
Like him or not, he is worth +side of $3mil per season.
But keep your hate-on for a developed player who is now producing

 

[BatVader]

Really want to see that tank thread, eh?

Lol