Playoff Keefe

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Playoff Keefe was also behind the whole "it's going to be violent" nonsense and made simmonds look like a fool. His coach obviously give him green light to do all that stuff in game 2.

Game 2 and 4 both freebies for Tampa.
Yes, clearly Keefe is responsible for the Simmonds stupidity.
 

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Not saying Keefe is reason number one the Leafs keep losing in the playoffs but I could see an argument to be made that there’s no reason why the team and coach are both simultaneously learning the hard way how to win. A veteran coaching voice who can guide a team through these series ups and downs might have them take the early series more urgently or make the late series adjustments we never seem to be able to.
I think this sums it up. Keefe isn't bad, I think he'll be good coach in this league for years. Might win something on his journey, but this is best league in the world and I don't know if his up there with the best. It's sad that our veteran coach ended up being egomaniac brick, because I think there is a reason why we started this rebuild with Babcock. Trotz would play in that same league experience wise, hopefully not ego wise.

I think Keefe had the pieces finally but couldn't make the puzzle. It was conference finals esque series in first round, but it's the only viewing of this team in the playoffs with this roster. Would like to see change, if Trotz is willing to come.

I was supporting Keefe coming back till that handshake/respect comment. That’s such a weird thing to say.
I really think Trotz might be someone who can help this team.
What did he say?
 

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I think this sums it up. Keefe isn't bad, I think he'll be good coach in this league for years. Might win something on his journey, but this is best league in the world and I don't know if his up there with the best. It's sad that our veteran coach ended up being egomaniac brick, because I think there is a reason why we started this rebuild with Babcock. Trotz would play in that same league experience wise, hopefully not ego wise.

I think Keefe had the pieces finally but couldn't make the puzzle. It was conference finals esque series in first round, but it's the only viewing of this team in the playoffs with this roster. Would like to see change, if Trotz is willing to come.


What did he say?
Keefe said something along the line of ‘we earned TB respect during the handshake.’ Just really weird he came out and said that. As if TB didn’t show any respects to Leafs.
 

deprw

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Keefe said something along the line of ‘we earned TB respect during the handshake.’ Just really weird he came out and said that. As if TB didn’t show any respects to Leafs.
That's nice and I can see we earned it, but it wasn't the goal. Stupid comment, though I wouldn't judge him by it, but by the way he coached our team. I think it's time for coaching change at least.
 

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I was supporting Keefe coming back till that handshake/respect comment. That’s such a weird thing to say.
I really think Trotz might be someone who can help this team.
A coaching change might be the only play left that can make an immediate impact for the better, and certainly easier - if Trotz is interested - than a major personnel move.

A bizarre comment from Keefe anyway. Fair enough if this was 2017 when our team with 9 rookies had just lost to the Caps in 6 games. Just astonishing that no playoff progress has been made in all that time since then, it blows my mind.
 

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I know this is late to this discussion but FWIW, I thought Keefe got severely out coached in this series. I point to numerous examples of poor roster and lineup choices and multiple games in which the team was not prepared to start the game. Horrible PPs where our offensive system regularly had players lining up on their wrong side + no point shot threat. Nothing is in isolation of course, but regular season was more - we led the league in bench minors, had a grotesque stretch of poor defensive + goaltending play, and didn’t fix or solve the narrative that we cough up leads.

I think enough is there to warrant a move.
 

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there seems to be a consensus that a coaching change is in order but the problem is that Dubas won’t fire his buddy Keefe and Shanny won’t fire his buddy Dubas and the Board won’t fire Shanny.
so we will do the same dance all over again next year with the same clowns running the team but with a few different bottom players and bargain basement goal tending
 

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It’s also pretty sad that winning 1 stinking playoff round is somehow the new bar with this team. Like if they somehow win last night and than lose to Florida, it’s all good?

Its progress which is what you want to see. To me, all that this season proved was that regular season success is of very little relevance, and should be something no one hangs their hats on throughout the season.
 
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Yes, clearly Keefe is responsible for the Simmonds stupidity.
I never said responsible. I said Keefe instilled this idea that things would be violent and gave Simmonds the green light to run around a bit. It's Simmonds fault he did it stupidly but who sent him in that role in the first place? Overhyped violence and throwing bodies around in the crease after whistle (2 penalties in 1 game for that)

Goes back to no adjustments. Tampa didn't bring that violent scrum game he predicted. Adjusted when we already took a loss
 
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Gave Keefe a pass against Columbus as he was a rookie coach but here he was out coached again. Fixed what wasn’t broken and made too many changes for the sake of change.

The “respect” comment in the handshake line just sort of sums everything up. Loser mentality around this team with too much focus on intangibles and not actually winning.
 
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I thought that he was actually less worse in this series than the previous two, but still some bizarre tactical and roster choices and no ability to get guys going.
 
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Great coaching can produce dramatic results. Look at how Sutter turned around the Calgary team. They bought in to playoff style hockey the WHOLE season. You need the will, drive and endurance to play that style of hockey. Offense is the carrot AFTER you shut the other team down. New Jersey won several cups using this style. The Red Wings used the left wing lock and tremendous defense to win several cups. Steve Yzerman bought in when Scotty Bowman took over.

"I mentioned to him that his stats would go down, but hopefully the team would do better," Bowman told NHL.com of one of his first conversations with Yzerman when he took over as the Detroit Red Wings coach in 1993.
 
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I still don't understand him having our team playing defensively. Protecting a lead in the 3rd period of game six.
We had TB on the ropes and we came out with nothing .
We lost the series in game six .

Players that showed nothin in 7games
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Game 7
The big boys didn't turn up the heat again.
 

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The boyz won't listen to a guy like Trotz. They'll sulk and complain and do even less to deserve their $40+ million.
If that's true they need to see it for themselves. If they do have that personality trait as a professional then we can finally be at ease trading some of the core away. Don't want bums like that on the team.

In my opinion they will listen to Trotz though. They're not toxic players. Very respected coach with credentials to back it up.
 
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I still don't understand him having our team playing defensively. Protecting a lead in the 3rd period of game six.
We had TB on the ropes and we came out with nothing .
We lost the series in game six
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Players that showed nothin in 7games
Mik
Engval

Game 7
The big boys didn't turn up the heat again.
Well the refs tried screwing the Leafs in game 1 with the 5 minute penalty and when they see how that worked against them, they figure to put 2 guys in the box at once for almost the whole 2 minutes (they already tried that in game 5 but didn't work). The first one is 100% clearly a phantom as Kampfs stick did not touch his face, matter of fact we should have had a PP there for embellishment. No need to discuss the second one which Hedman self-induced because if the phantom one wasn't called, this one wouldn't have happened.

I won't even mention game 7 BS reffing.
 

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I was supporting Keefe coming back till that handshake/respect comment. That’s such a weird thing to say.
I really think Trotz might be someone who can help this team.
The players need someone coaching them that they can really believe in. I know they might like Keefe and all...but at the same time our players can't seem to be big when its needed most. If the players don't have it in them, then at least have a coach who has won it all as confidence maker for them. Whether that is Trotz or somebody else...I am not sure. But I do know that the players know that Keefe has no idea on how to win in the playoffs unless he is playing with a stacked deck like with the AHL teams he had. He has not won up here...no matter what his reg season record says...he has not won up here. They need someone who has to lead them. His tactics are not great either. He should have told the players to shoot when in doubt...get rebound goals...don't try to make a fancy goal out of it every single time. We did the same thing in game 7 last year...nobody went to the net and blocked the goalies vision...we stayed on the outside hoping the other team would make a mistake that never came.

Babs was a dick...players hated him...so I don't count him as a cup winning coach who instills confidence.
 
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