Speculation: Player Discussion: Danil "Goose" Gushchin

[Pinkfloyd]

What other option did the Sharks have. They have clearly decided they won’t waive G Smith or Kostin. All other players are deserving of a spot over him or won’t be waived. They had 14 FWds on 1-way contracts. They had no path to keep him.

I’m also convinced they knew Celebrini was going to only play the first game so they knew that Gushchin would have a spot.

What other option is required? If you're convinced they knew Celebrini was only going to play the first game, why is another option necessary? They already decided that at least for the first game that they were going to run 15 forwards and 6 D. After that, it's dependent on circumstances but teams are pretty notorious for playing IR games to avoid sending someone through waivers or reassigning altogether if they feel like they can keep him.

I was criticized on here for being too negative about the 2020 draft. Turns out I was way too optimistic. I genuinely believed we would get 1 200+ game NHLer (as opposed to the 3-4 most Sharks fans were projecting 1-2 years out) from it but now it seems far more likely there will be none.

So the takeaway is that you are also no authority on projecting prospects. Good to note.

 

[Hodge]

So the takeaway is that you are also no authority on projecting prospects. Good to note.

Never claimed to be. I don't even watch most of them play. But the odds are the odds and this is a good reminder not to expect much from players drafted outside the top 10.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

Never claimed to be. I don't even watch most of them play. But the odds are the odds and this is a good reminder not to expect much from players drafted outside the top 10.

I don't think you necessarily have to explicitly claim it. You believe the odds are authority enough without watching any of them play. That's hardly helpful.

 

[gaucholoco3]

What other option is required? If you're convinced they knew Celebrini was only going to play the first game, why is another option necessary? They already decided that at least for the first game that they were going to run 15 forwards and 6 D. After that, it's dependent on circumstances but teams are pretty notorious for playing IR games to avoid sending someone through waivers or reassigning altogether if they feel like they can keep him.

If Celebrini was healthy they would have sent Gushchin down after giving him 1 game as a reward for his preseason. Gushchin is absolutely dependent on one of the 14 forwards on 1-way contracts to be injured to be on the Sharks.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

If Celebrini was healthy they would have sent Gushchin down after giving him 1 game as a reward for his preseason. Gushchin is absolutely dependent on one of the 14 forwards on 1-way contracts to be injured to be on the Sharks.

We don't know that and will never know that.

 

[Hodge]

We don't know that and will never know that.

We do know that and we've always known that.

 

[Pinkfloyd]

We do know that and we've always known that.

No you haven't and never did. You just like to pretend like it to troll.

 

[OrrNumber4]

@Hodge don't be a sore winner

 

[Lebanezer]

@Hodge don't be a sore winner

He’s not winning.

 

[tahoesharksfan]

When these threads get to where I can no longer follow along I know that the one poster here that I have blocked is being his usual self again…..

 

[Kcoyote3]

I would also say that it may be the end of Gushchin, it may not. This is his first shot in the NHL for more than a game at a time. He did okay, but wasn’t able to capitalize. Maybe next time he will.

 

[Hodge]

When these threads get to where I can no longer follow along I know that the one poster here that I have blocked is being his usual self again…..

Is it @Sandisfan?

 

[coooldude]

I would also say that it may be the end of Gushchin, it may not. This is his first shot in the NHL for more than a game at a time. He did okay, but wasn’t able to capitalize. Maybe next time he will.

I don't think it's the end at all. More injuries will come and he'll get another stint or even two. Hopefully he pulls it together at some point. He definitely looked close to doing so in a number of games.

 

[Lebanezer]

I would also say that it may be the end of Gushchin, it may not. This is his first shot in the NHL for more than a game at a time. He did okay, but wasn’t able to capitalize. Maybe next time he will.

He lost his confidence. It’s a good learning experience for him to recognize he has to bring it all the time. He has to toughen up physically and mentally.

 

[TheBigDrunkPanda]

I am now convinced Barfsofsky is secretly a Sutter

 

[sampler]

Personally, I think Gush was mishandled early on. He was put on a 4th line with limited minutes, then benched multiple games.

Hes a small, skilled player who needs confidence and to be put in a position to succeed. Personally, Ive liked what he adds and Id like to see more of a tryout for him. He is NHL ready, just needs a bit more time to acclimate. He's vastly improved his defensive/physical side of the game, but he needs the freedom to use his skills with skilled mates.

I thought warsofsky really hurt him in the first 3-4 games with how he handled him. I hope he gets more looks...

lastly: the sharks need young guys to step up more than they need older ones. Smith, Celebrini, Eklund, Cardwell, Gushkin, etc are the future of the franchise not Grundstrom, Kostin, G Smith, Goodrow, Kunin, or Sturm. I think if a guy clearly looks like hes not ready, then send him down by all means. But, if a young guy looks ready but stumbles a bit, then it's best to support him, particularly on a team that is crafting its future more than its present. This is why I hope grundstrom or Kunin ride the pine over cards or Gush.

 

[Alaskanice]

Personally, I think Gush was mishandled early on. He was put on a 4th line with limited minutes, then benched multiple games.

Hes a small, skilled player who needs confidence and to be put in a position to succeed. Personally, Ive liked what he adds and Id like to see more of a tryout for him. He is NHL ready, just needs a bit more time to acclimate. He's vastly improved his defensive/physical side of the game, but he needs the freedom to use his skills with skilled mates.

I thought warsofsky really hurt him in the first 3-4 games with how he handled him. I hope he gets more looks...

lastly: the sharks need young guys to step up more than they need older ones. Smith, Celebrini, Eklund, Cardwell, Gushkin, etc are the future of the franchise not Grundstrom, Kostin, G Smith, Goodrow, Kunin, or Sturm. I think if a guy clearly looks like hes not ready, then send him down by all means. But, if a young guy looks ready but stumbles a bit, then it's best to support him, particularly on a team that is crafting its future more than its present. This is why I hope grundstrom or Kunin ride the pine over cards or Gush.

This is how the NHL works. You try young guys and if they don’t pop, they get sent down. They aren’t going to sit veterans when we already have several rookies in the lineup.
Aside from the desire to get the young ‘uns their lumps, this is still a business and they want to win games. Bottom line, they need the money coming in.

 

[The Nemesis]

I don't think Gushchin has done anything wrong to "deserve" getting sent down, but he's just not done enough right to secure a spot in the lineup. And as much as I'd rather keep him over, say, Kostin (who has used up all the goodwill his streak from last season bought him) the reality is that Kostin in the pressbox and Gushchin getting playing time in the AHL is preferable than Gushchin in the pressbox and Kostin waiting to see if some other team will take a shot at him on the waiver wire.

 

[sampler]

I completely agree that you should put in the lineup that gives the best chance of winning.

Personally, I think that lineup includes Gush and Cards. I think both of them add an eenrgy and skill that the bottom 6 vets lack. Gurndstrom, Kunin, even goodrow do not add the value that cards and gush do, in my opinion.

And the sharks biggest problem is a deep lack of scoring punch. They have half a lineup that has no scoring punch at all in Sturm, goodrow, Kunin, Grundstrom, dyllndrea who have a combined 6 total goals in a combined 67 games played.

You cannot win games relying on one or even two lines to do all the scoring. You need at least 3 lines that can score on the regular to win games. the sharks need 2 more skaters who have offensive pop. Granted Gush and cards, like Smith, have not actually produced that pop yet, but its easy to see the potential there, and their defensive play is now up to par.

This is why Id like the sharks to ice a 3rd line that can score. Go Celly-Granny-Wennberg down the middle. With Eklund, Toffoli, Smith, Zetterlund, Gushkin and Cardwell on the wings. Then Sturm-Goodrow-Kunin as the PK/4th line.

Dyllandrea has been a disappointment to me thus far. I thought he might be the real steal signing of the summer, but hes shown absolutely nothing.

 

[Zarzh]

This is how the NHL works. You try young guys and if they don’t pop, they get sent down. They aren’t going to sit veterans when we already have several rookies in the lineup.
Aside from the desire to get the young ‘uns their lumps, this is still a business and they want to win games. Bottom line, they need the money coming in.

Not really, the only players succeeding with that treatment are stars and superstars.

 

[DarrylshutzSydor]

Personally, I think Gush was mishandled early on. He was put on a 4th line with limited minutes, then benched multiple games.

Hes a small, skilled player who needs confidence and to be put in a position to succeed. Personally, Ive liked what he adds and Id like to see more of a tryout for him. He is NHL ready, just needs a bit more time to acclimate. He's vastly improved his defensive/physical side of the game, but he needs the freedom to use his skills with skilled mates.

I thought warsofsky really hurt him in the first 3-4 games with how he handled him. I hope he gets more looks...

lastly: the sharks need young guys to step up more than they need older ones. Smith, Celebrini, Eklund, Cardwell, Gushkin, etc are the future of the franchise not Grundstrom, Kostin, G Smith, Goodrow, Kunin, or Sturm. I think if a guy clearly looks like hes not ready, then send him down by all means. But, if a young guy looks ready but stumbles a bit, then it's best to support him, particularly on a team that is crafting its future more than its present. This is why I hope grundstrom or Kunin ride the pine over cards or Gush.

This is what they are doing with multiple players. Gushkin is probably better off in the A, and kept away from the Sharks coaches