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GoldenBearHockey said:
Were they? I've seen this all over, every critic repeats it ad nauseum, but I haven't seen any direct quotes about it until today, and Blake acknowledged that he gave the core cup group, one more shot to win it, and signed Kovy to help, and when it went south, he essentially pulled the plug,
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I know for a fact that that Luc did. There was a thing mc'd by Nickson and maybe Bob at the Microsoft theater where Luc kept saying over and over again how were a contender etc.
 
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Reaper45 said:
I know for a fact that that Luc did. There was a thing mc'd by Nickson and maybe Bob at the Microsoft theater where Luc kept saying over and over again how were a contender etc.
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Fair enough, like I said, I hadn't seen anything like that, but being a contender, giving the cup group another shot, all leads up to signing Kovalchuk....and when they absolutely shit the bed, it led to dealing Pearson, Muzzin, and rebuilding/retooling etc,
 
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Reaper45 said:
I know for a fact that that Luc did. There was a thing mc'd by Nickson and maybe Bob at the Microsoft theater where Luc kept saying over and over again how were a contender etc.
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Yeah I was there too. It was Nick and Bob with Bob telling some stories from his book. Then they brought out Luc to do the, "rah, rah, young core, kings are contenders speech. Make sure to re up your season tickets." That was the last year my Dad and I had tickets. Not because of that but because of other reasons, traffic mainly coming from Palm Springs. We talked to our ticket Rep and she said lots of people were dropping their tickets at the end of that season.
 
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fivehole32 said:
Yeah I was there too. It was Nick and Bob with Bob telling some stories from his book. Then they brought out Luc to do the, "rah, rah, young core, kings are contenders speech. Make sure to re up your season tickets." That was the last year my Dad and I had tickets. Not because of that but because of other reasons, traffic mainly coming from Palm Springs. We talked to our ticket Rep and she said lots of people were dropping their tickets at the end of that season.
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Ok that's what I thought it was but couldn't remember what event it was specifically. Jesus man I could only imagine going from Palm Springs to L.A. that often.
 
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Reaper45 said:
Ok that's what I thought it was but couldn't remember what event it was specifically. Jesus man I could only imagine going from Palm Springs to L.A. that often.
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Yeah did it for 6 years, and also did it from 98-2003. Realized its too far to drive and I'm too old to do it anymore and run a business.
 
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You should consider yourself to be a contender with where 11/8/32 are in their careers. They had to go with Budaj in 16-17, so they got another chance. Then Kopitar had a career year without a 2nd center for more than half a year. They gambled on Carter being ready, willing, and able with the signing of Kovalchuk, and lost the bet. Pearson was total trash this year. Toffoli, we know for sure, is a completely dependent winger. At least this risk didn't cost a 1st like Lucic.

Unless you luck out like Calgary and end up with Iginla for Nieuwendyk, trading isn't going to bring back the kind of talent you need to win a Cup. Carter was 32 in 2017, and Nieuwendyk was 29 in 1995. For those lamenting the missed chance to trade Carter in 2017, it was probably a couple years too late at that point anyway.

14-15, defending champs.
15-16, DL doubled down on what was likely their last best chance to win.
16-17, didn't even get off the ground.
17-18, basically stuck with what they had, and didn't have a terrible year.
18-19, the roster let Blake down more than they ever did with DL.

On pace for a 27 point drop from one year to the next. That would be the 3rd lowest in franchise history, and the biggest drop since 85-86, when they had 28 fewer points than they did in 84-85.

7 picks in 2017, and 7 picks in 2018. Should Vilardi be a no-go, it'll probably set the Kings back at least a year, but whatever. 10 picks this year, and they cannot miss with the first one, whoever they end up with. Can't do another Vilardi. Can't do another Hickey.
 
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GoldenBearHockey said:
No, because you have zero idea what they were going to give up,
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We saw the return Montreal got.

With the Kings, it was a done deal that didn't complete due to Pacioretty refusing the contract offer and firing his agent.

The return was a top end prospect, a journeyman in Tatar, and a 2nd round pick. What do you think the Kings were going to give up? Veterans?
 
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King'sPawn said:
We saw the return Montreal got.

With the Kings, it was a done deal that didn't complete due to Pacioretty refusing the contract offer and firing his agent.

The return was a top end prospect, a journeyman in Tatar, and a 2nd round pick. What do you think the Kings were going to give up? Veterans?
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No idea, you literally just had two posters post POLAR opposites of what it might have been.....

You can't judge on what it might have been based on what it was.....it was Tatar, a 2nd and Suzuki, so it might have been Lewis, a 6th, and Prohorkin....etc.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
No idea, you literally just had two posters post POLAR opposites of what it might have been.....

You can't judge on what it might have been based on what it was.....it was Tatar, a 2nd and Suzuki, so it might have been Lewis, a 6th, and Prohorkin....etc.
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So you think it's possible the Canadiens accepted Lewis, a 6th, and Prokhorkin, but when that fell through, they "settled" on Suzuki, Tatar, and a 2nd?
 
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King'sPawn said:
So you think it's possible the Canadiens accepted Lewis, a 6th, and Prokhorkin, but when that fell through, they "settled" on Suzuki, Tatar, and a 2nd?
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Nope, I think that we have ZERO idea what was in the offer, it could have been anyone from Vilardi and the next 5 1st rounders, to Muzzin and Wagner, to Toffoli and Luff.....simple fact is....you do not know.

I have no idea what was in the offer, neither do you, here's the difference, you say, well it must have been this this and this, because they got this this and this,

I say, I have no idea what was in the offer, nor do I think I can infer to what was in the offer....maybe there was no deal, maybe the reporting got it wrong, (trust me though, that NEVER EVER happens)
 
I think we can make an educated guess at what the Kings offer was for Pacioretty. It's not that tough.
 
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KINGS17 said:
I think we can make an educated guess at what the Kings offer was for Pacioretty. It's not that tough.
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Go for it....you have one poster thinking it was Vilardi and a 2nd etc......and another thinking it was Muzzin......completely different ends of the spectrum,

But go for it, the PS4 GM can make an educated guess.
 
GoldenBearHockey said:
Go for it....you have one poster thinking it was Vilardi and a 2nd etc......and another thinking it was Muzzin......completely different ends of the spectrum,

But go for it, the PS4 GM can make an educated guess.
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I thought the ask was for both Muzzin and Vilardi but the deal fell apart when LA would not include Vilaridi
 
If Muzzin was in the mix, I would say probably Muzzin + 2nd round pick, and possibly the Bear Jew.

If Toffoli was in the mix, I would say probably Toffoli + 2nd round pick, and the Bear Jew.

If it was strictly for prospects and picks, which would make the most sense to me, it was probably Vilardi and a 1st round pick. Going lower in the Kings prospect pool wouldn't have made much sense for Montreal, perhaps Kuperi, Clague and a 2nd round pick gets it done.

It doesn't take much to have a general idea, and no I wouldn't call these at opposite ends of the spectrum in terms of their value to the Kings. Just happy Pacioretty said, "NO DEAL!"
 
YP44 said:
I thought the ask was for both Muzzin and Vilardi but the deal fell apart when LA would not include Vilaridi
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Rumors are the deal fell apart when Pacioretty wouldn't sign with the Kings.
 
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