Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season

[780il]

Ok ok, Draisaitl and Lucic no retention he just waives his NMC for Kopitar and Carter.

I was talking about for Doughty...

No interest in Kopi and absolutely not trading Leon.

 

[KingsFan7824]

Ik you guys probably want to keep Kopi and Doughts and try to build along them and the top 2 pick you have... But what if you slide down to 3 or 4?

What if a desperate team (like my Oilers) threw a bunch of good young assets at you for Doughty... Would you move him? (Ik the answer is most likely no but its worth asking).
I'd give up something like this:

Bouchard + 1st + 2021 1st + Puljujarvi + Yamamoto + Lucic + Sekera (500k retained)

A blue chip RD prospect, a top 10 pick, another 1st, two b+ RW prospects that bring the speed you want, and two cap dumps that even out the money in and out and will be off the books by the time your rebuild is over.

First, Doughty has to want to leave his LA life. Saying that, at least for the chaos it would create, I'm not against that deal. Not against it from a rebuilding standpoint either.

If it was possible to get that much youth in a single trade, that would make up for some of the lost value from the other overpaid vets still killing time here.

 

[YP44]

Surely the Kings don’t need this type of player in the lineup.

turf WD and get Kovalchuk in the lineup. He needs to play the final 5. If he is not in the kings future LA is not helping his trade value.

Maybe there are locker room issues to or something, cause this makes no sense to me.

 

[YP44]

Ik you guys probably want to keep Kopi and Doughts and try to build along them and the top 2 pick you have... But what if you slide down to 3 or 4?

What if a desperate team (like my Oilers) threw a bunch of good young assets at you for Doughty... Would you move him? (Ik the answer is most likely no but its worth asking).
I'd give up something like this:

Bouchard + 1st + 2021 1st + Puljujarvi + Yamamoto + Lucic + Sekera (500k retained)

A blue chip RD prospect, a top 10 pick, another 1st, two b+ RW prospects that bring the speed you want, and two cap dumps that even out the money in and out and will be off the books by the time your rebuild is over.

I just hope LA does not fall out of top 5. Missing Kakko would suck but there are great players there.

Now if Bouchard and a first are part of a package for Drew it has to be at least looked at. Not sure how Edmonton would make the Salary work without Lucic so I see that is where you have other pieces.

It is unrealistic but the offer there is very solid.

 

[AlphaBravo]

I was looking at potential lineups for next season and it seems like it is going to be a giant log jam. Not sure how Blake is going to sort out the roster. Below is a skeleton outline and the list of players that will be looking for a spot:

——-Kopitar—Brown
Gundstrum—Kempe—
Wagner/Iafallo/Clifford

The players above in my opinion are locks for the roster next season. I would rather move Clifford but apparently that’s not happening.

The above leaves 5-6 spots open to be filled by the players below, some of whom may be moved:

1. Carter
2. Lewis
3. Amadio
4.Kupari
5. Vilardi (if alive)
6. Brodzinski
7.Luff
8. JAD
9. Kovy
10. Kings 1st Round Pick
11. Toronto 1st Round Pick

Preferably we can trade one or two of Carter, Lewis, and Kovy. I think Amadio has earned a roster spot as the 4C. I suspect Kipari will make the team, and Vilardi if healthy. If the Kings get Hughes or Kakko I think they will be on the roster also. JAD, Luff, and Brodzinski are question marks.

Edit: Forgot about Toffoli. I wouldn’t mind moving him out for a draft pick. There is no way the Kings should sign him for term next year.

 

[Cook24]

Players I want to see on the roster next season: Doughty, Wagner, Brown, MacDermid(sue me), Campbell, Grundstrom, Peterson, Vilardi(health obvious issue), Kupari

Players I wouldn’t mind on the roster:
Martinez, Iafallo, Clifford, Toffoli, Kempe, Walker

Don’t believe any of the current prospects will be ready for the big club other than vilardi if healthy, possibly Mikey Anderson, and kupari...obviously with an exception of kakko/Hughes if we luck out...

Players that will probably be on the roster even though I’d prefer if they were dealt: Kopitar, Phaneuf, Forbort

Players that will probably be moved: Carter, Quick, Lewis, Martinez, maybe Kovalchuk

I see this as the roster minus free agents...

Kovalchuk-Kopitar-Brown
Grundstrom-Kupari-Toffoli
Iafallo-Kempe-Wagner
Clifford-Amadio-Leipsic???

Biggest question marks at forward are possibly Kakko/Hughes and Vilardis health...

Forward group is pretty sad unless we can land Kakko or Hughes, but I don’t like what’s available at free agency at forward minus Panarin...would rather build up our forwards over the next few seasons with prospects such as JAD, Vilardi, Kupari, Thomas, prospects in 19 draft...


Forbort-Doughty
Martinez(moved at deadline)-Walker
???-MacDermid
Phaneuf

Defense is pretty trash also. Forbort shouldn’t be on the roster...nor Phaneuf...there’s a few solid options on defense in free agency, that might not cost TOO much...(Edler,Myers). This is where I’d rather see us spend a little money. Not too fond of the defense we have coming up with the exception of Mikey Anderson and clague, who still need seasoning...

Peterson/Campbell

 

[Piston]

Isn't it amazing how quickly Carl Grundstrom has established himself as a lock for next year's roster. The guy brings an element that has been missing since Dustin Brown's younger days. He goes into the dirty areas completely unafraid, and his hands are much better than advertised. Great return for Muzzin.

 

[regulate]

Amadio is no longer waiver exempt next season, so he'll likely will be on the roster after he signs his new deal (RFA) , just like Brodzinski was scheduled to this season. And of all forwards on the Kings, team goals scored per 60 minutes of playing time at even strength when on the ice, the leader is Michael Amadio at 3.1. And it's not even close. Next up is Kopitar and Brown at 2.7. Amadio makes players around him better. He needs consistent linemates and improvement on defense and face-offs, but he should be playing everyday.

 

[AlphaBravo]

Amadio is no longer waiver exempt next season, so he'll likely will be on the roster after he signs his new deal (RFA) , just like Brodzinski was scheduled to this season. And of all forwards on the Kings, team goals scored per 60 minutes of playing time at even strength when on the ice, the leader is Michael Amadio at 3.1. And it's not even close. Next up is Kopitar and Brown at 2.7. Amadio makes players around him better. He needs consistent linemates and improvement on defense and face-offs, but he should be playing everyday.

Stats makes sense. I think Amadio has been clutch in the games he has played this year. He has vision and creativity. His ceiling is 3C, but I like him as a 4th line option. Not really sold on Brodzinski.

 

[Steve Zissou]

Isn't it amazing how quickly Carl Grundstrom has established himself as a lock for next year's roster. The guy brings an element that has been missing since Dustin Brown's younger days. He goes into the dirty areas completely unafraid, and his hands are much better than advertised. Great return for Muzzin.

Even though he didn't tally on the scoresheet, he had a monster game last night against the Canucks.

Super heavy on the boards and gets to the front of the net. Love his game.

 

[YP44]

I was looking at potential lineups for next season and it seems like it is going to be a giant log jam. Not sure how Blake is going to sort out the roster. Below is a skeleton outline and the list of players that will be looking for a spot:

——-Kopitar—Brown
Gundstrum—Kempe—
Wagner/Iafallo/Clifford

The players above in my opinion are locks for the roster next season. I would rather move Clifford but apparently that’s not happening.

The above leaves 5-6 spots open to be filled by the players below, some of whom may be moved:

1. Carter
2. Lewis
3. Amadio
4.Kupari
5. Vilardi (if alive)
6. Brodzinski
7.Luff
8. JAD
9. Kovy
10. Kings 1st Round Pick
11. Toronto 1st Round Pick

Preferably we can trade one or two of Carter, Lewis, and Kovy. I think Amadio has earned a roster spot as the 4C. I suspect Kipari will make the team, and Vilardi if healthy. If the Kings get Hughes or Kakko I think they will be on the roster also. JAD, Luff, and Brodzinski are question marks.

Edit: Forgot about Toffoli. I wouldn’t mind moving him out for a draft pick. There is no way the Kings should sign him for term next year.

I like this post and tend to agree with who you have listed. Only thing is if someone offers something very nice for Clifford I would do it. I think it would be selling high on him

As for your list:
1. Carter - Agree trade if you can
2. Lewis - Agree trade if you can
3. Amadio - RFA, if he does not need wiavers next year let him fight for a spot
4. Kupari - I want to see him start the season with LA.
5. Vilardi - if alive put him in the AHL so that he can test that back down there. Plus a year off has to give the kid some rust.
6. Brodzinksi - UFA may walk for better opportunity. Not a must sign but would have liked to see what a healthy Brodz could have done
7. Luff - Doesn't require waivers so can start in the AHL
8. JAD - Doesn't require waivers, not sure if he woudl go back to Junior or AHL if sent down. If Juniors would like to see him start in the NHL like this year. If AHL then maybe start him there
9. Kovy - I was against his signing but I want to see what he can do under a new coach.
10. Kings 1st - if Kakko or Hughes start him in the NHL if not put the kid in Junior, maybe give 9 games
11. Toronto 1st - Whomever is selected is probably a year or 2 away
12. Toffoli - Deal for a 2020 first
13. Thomas - I wonder if he makes a push for a roster spot

Looking at the above I would be for moving a forward prospect or 2 for a solid D prospect. We need help there.

edit: now see poster above about Amadio needing waivers. I think he keeps a spot

 

[YP44]

Stats makes sense. I think Amadio has been clutch in the games he has played this year. He has vision and creativity. His ceiling is 3C, but I like him as a 4th line option. Not really sold on Brodzinski.

It's hard to evaluate Brodzinski as he has missed so much time. Brodz is a UFA so I could see him going somewhere where they do not have as many players fighting for roster spots.

 

[BringTheReign]

I like this post and tend to agree with who you have listed. Only thing is if someone offers something very nice for Clifford I would do it. I think it would be selling high on him

Even if we're able to "sell high" on Clifford, is it really worth it given what he brings? We're not going to get THAT much for him, and I'd rather just trade Lewis (which you also supported in your post).

I know this sounds absurd given our Top 6 predicament, but he's the type of guy who can solidify a bottom 6 that will be filled by rookies. I would be ecstatic if Wagner ended up being Kyle Clifford with wheels (and therefore a bit more scoring).

Hell, if Brown weren't still on the team, he'd be the one I'd rather see wear the C if Kopitar lost it (I'm in the camp that Brown never should have lost it, though).

 

[BigKing]

Isn't it amazing how quickly Carl Grundstrom has established himself as a lock for next year's roster. The guy brings an element that has been missing since Dustin Brown's younger days. He goes into the dirty areas completely unafraid, and his hands are much better than advertised. Great return for Muzzin.

Easily my favorite move by Blake so far which is also really his biggest when it comes to moving actual roster players v. draft philosophy, UDFA/FA signings etc.

Like I said at the time, if they think Grundstrom tops out as a very good 3rd liner, then the trade is a win even if they miss on the 1st and Durzi is nothing. Not winning anything with Muzzin and not going to pay him UFA money after next season while Grundstrom is young and cost-controlled.

Hit on that 1st round pick and/or Durzi is a Top 6 NHL defenseman and it is a home run.

 

[BigKing]

Even if we're able to "sell high" on Clifford, is it really worth it given what he brings? We're not going to get THAT much for him, and I'd rather just trade Lewis (which you also supported in your post).

I know this sounds absurd given our Top 6 predicament, but he's the type of guy who can solidify a bottom 6 that will be filled by rookies. I would be ecstatic if Wagner ended up being Kyle Clifford with wheels (and therefore a bit more scoring).

Hell, if Brown weren't still on the team, he'd be the one I'd rather see wear the C if Kopitar lost it (I'm in the camp that Brown never should have lost it, though).

Kyle Clifford is a great 4th line player and the perfect guy to have as a vet on this team as it gets significantly younger. You listen to Brown talking about how Norstrom and Lappy helped him when he first came in and you can't help but think about Clifford: especially in comparison to Lapperriere.

The return for him is most likely lower than what he'll do to help this team transition moving forward.

 

[YP44]

Even if we're able to "sell high" on Clifford, is it really worth it given what he brings? We're not going to get THAT much for him, and I'd rather just trade Lewis (which you also supported in your post).

I know this sounds absurd given our Top 6 predicament, but he's the type of guy who can solidify a bottom 6 that will be filled by rookies. I would be ecstatic if Wagner ended up being Kyle Clifford with wheels (and therefore a bit more scoring).

Hell, if Brown weren't still on the team, he'd be the one I'd rather see wear the C if Kopitar lost it (I'm in the camp that Brown never should have lost it, though).

Dealing him would help clear the path for some higher caliber prospects. Clifford is not a top 6 player and we have a slew of guys who can fill in the bottom six. If Clifford is still with the team next year I am happy too, just spit balling ways to clear way for prospects.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Dealing him would help clear the path for some higher caliber prospects. Clifford is not a top 6 player and we have a slew of guys who can fill in the bottom six. If Clifford is still with the team next year I am happy too, just spit balling ways to clear way for prospects.

Do we really want our higher caliber prospects playing 10 mins a game ? because thats all the time moving cllifford would make.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Kyle Clifford is a great 4th line player and the perfect guy to have as a vet on this team as it gets significantly younger. You listen to Brown talking about how Norstrom and Lappy helped him when he first came in and you can't help but think about Clifford: especially in comparison to Lapperriere.

The return for him is most likely lower than what he'll do to help this team transition moving forward.

We already have a bunch of vets that can't be reasonably moved.

 

[BigKing]

We already have a bunch of vets that can't be reasonably moved.

Don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If they can't be reasonably moved, some of them will be unreasonably moved.

I get it though. Clifford has been talked about as someone they've needed to get rid of for like seven years now and he would be enticing at the trade deadline to a contender.

I fully buy in to the culture thing when it comes to him and the fact that he and pretty much Brown are the only vet forwards from the glory years not sandbagging it out there means a lot, IMO.

The other thing is MacD won't make the team so there is nobody capable of dropping the gloves semi-effectively if Clifford isn't out there. I don't want to roll a bunch of kids out there with absolutely zero muscle. I feel like MacD should be penciled in to the roster next season if they luck out and get Hughes, but that's just me.

 

[Reaper45]

Don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If they can't be reasonably moved, some of them will be unreasonably moved.

I get it though. Clifford has been talked about as someone they've needed to get rid of for like seven years now and he would be enticing at the trade deadline to a contender.

I fully buy in to the culture thing when it comes to him and the fact that he and pretty much Brown are the only vet forwards from the glory years not sandbagging it out there means a lot, IMO.

The other thing is MacD won't make the team so there is nobody capable of dropping the gloves semi-effectively if Clifford isn't out there. I don't want to roll a bunch of kids out there with absolutely zero muscle. I feel like MacD should be penciled in to the roster next season if they luck out and get Hughes, but that's just me.

100% MacD should be a given on the roster if Hughes is on the roster. Gotta protect him

 

[Choralone]

Don't have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

If they can't be reasonably moved, some of them will be unreasonably moved.

I get it though. Clifford has been talked about as someone they've needed to get rid of for like seven years now and he would be enticing at the trade deadline to a contender.

I fully buy in to the culture thing when it comes to him and the fact that he and pretty much Brown are the only vet forwards from the glory years not sandbagging it out there means a lot, IMO.

The other thing is MacD won't make the team so there is nobody capable of dropping the gloves semi-effectively if Clifford isn't out there. I don't want to roll a bunch of kids out there with absolutely zero muscle. I feel like MacD should be penciled in to the roster next season if they luck out and get Hughes, but that's just me.

Yeah, I've come around on Clifford. He's earned his way on to rebuilding this team in its next incarnation. Plenty of deadweight to jettison before we consider him.

 

[deaderhead28]

Ik you guys probably want to keep Kopi and Doughts and try to build along them and the top 2 pick you have... But what if you slide down to 3 or 4?

What if a desperate team (like my Oilers) threw a bunch of good young assets at you for Doughty... Would you move him? (Ik the answer is most likely no but its worth asking).
I'd give up something like this:

Bouchard + 1st + 2021 1st + Puljujarvi + Yamamoto + Lucic + Sekera (500k retained)

A blue chip RD prospect, a top 10 pick, another 1st, two b+ RW prospects that bring the speed you want, and two cap dumps that even out the money in and out and will be off the books by the time your rebuild is over.

No thanks.
Oilers wouldnt give up what it could take.Kings not sending Doughty and Kopi to the Oilers for anything less than Leon Draisaitl and adding three first rounds and then keep adding, cause Lucic would've to be included to make the money work and that contract is awful.

 

[780il]

No thanks.
Oilers wouldnt give up what it could take.Kings not sending Doughty and Kopi to the Oilers for anything less than Leon Draisaitl and adding three first rounds and then keep adding, cause Lucic would've to be included to make the money work and that contract is awful.

Well we don't want Kopitar, period. I was talking about just Doughty. And obviously a 23 year old that has almost 50 goals and 100+ points rn isn't being traded. Let alone with 3 1st rounders added.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Names to keep an eye on now that their teams have been eliminated.

 

[Peter James Bond II]

Names to keep an eye on now that their teams have been eliminated.

Penn State also lost and are out of it...The Mayor said his dark horse (or something like that) was for Alex Limoges to sign with the Kings. Leading scorer for them this year...6'1" 200 lb center, 21 yrs old
King draftee Cole Hults plays there too.

Alex Limoges Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com