Rumor: Planning Ahead: 2019 Off-Season Part 2

[johnjm22]

Toffoli - 1st+propspect... 2nd+young guy
Martinez - 1st+prospect... 2nd+salary

Keep dreaming.

 

[lumbergh]

Here's stating the onbvious that no one is helping us by taking Carter, Quick or Kovy because of $$ and term..

I think Carter's contract becomes quite attractive for a low budget team trying to make the floor, actually.

 

[YP44]

I think Carter's contract becomes quite attractive for a low budget team trying to make the floor, actually.

it's pretty easy to get to the floor and not have to actually pay players. I think Carter is going to be a hard sell to any team without improved play.

 

[The Tikkanen]

We will make the playoffs...

Well, you do have homer in your name.

 

[kings11]

Carter is at 980 games played. Dude seems like a proud guy, deservedly so. Once he’s past 1000 games, I think he takes the LTIR route like more and more vets are doing

Especially considering he would have collect al but $4 mill of his contract at that point

 

[Peter James Bond II]

When they start working on the PP and Kopitar is glued to the half wall...and then they see this major problem and then show him where he needs to be and WHY...that will be interesting.

 

[The Tikkanen]

Toffoli might be the hardest player to trade out of the players listed. He used to think he can just show up and score goals, hopefully that has changed.

 

[kings11]

Keep dreaming.

Oh you mean how teams overpay during the TDL... every damn year!
or how we could have gotten those sell low offers I posted this past TDL but Blake decided to hold for a possible rebound from those guys??

A 1st for each is absolutely plausible if they rebound.. Will they take that route? I dont think so, they'd likely be aimimg for young players like a Jake Bean, Eeli Tolvanen, etc..
I wonder what were your exact expectations for what a Muzzin deal would look like

 

[KingCanadain1976]

Toffoli might be the hardest player to trade out of the players listed. He used to think he can just show up and score goals, hopefully that has changed.

I'm not sure about if it will help him or not but I read a quote on twitter yesterday or day before saying he spent the summer doing Pilates

 

[kings11]

I'm not sure about if it will help him or not but I read a quote on twitter yesterday or day before saying he spent the summer doing Pilates

More like its his contract year and he's likely going to show up... we better trade him and not extend his ass...

 

[KingCanadain1976]

More like its his contract year and he's likely going to show up... we better trade him and not extend his ass...

On this we are totally on the same page We have prospects coming to make room for and if he has a half way decent year he will get a worth while return

 

[YP44]

Toffoli might be the hardest player to trade out of the players listed. He used to think he can just show up and score goals, hopefully that has changed.

i don't know. I think he is also one of the most likely for a bounceback

 

[KingCanadain1976]

i don't know. I think he is also one of the most likely for a bounceback

I think Drew is the most likely one to bounce back but that can be debated i guess

 

[YP44]

I think Drew is the most likely one to bounce back but that can be debated i guess

definitely could see it

 

[KingsFan7824]

top 5 pick is going to be gone if 3 of Quick, Doughty, Kopitar, Kovalchuk, Toffoli or Carter have bounce backs. Also Prokhorkin is a big wild card who seems to be doing well at the start of camp

There's always the lottery. Teams finishing between 28th and 19th overall have all won a top 3 lottery pick as many times as teams finishing 31st, 30th, and 29th overall. 27th overall has even done it twice. If they're not total crap this year, all is not lost. The lottery is working.

I think Carter's contract becomes quite attractive for a low budget team trying to make the floor, actually.

Like the Kings? Unless Blake and Robitaille throw everything they've said since last Nov/Dec out the window, which I guess is a possibility, who are they going to spend the money on in the next few years? None of the real prospects have contracts that are up before 2022, if not later. A couple other RFA's this year and next, but nobody that's breaking the bank. They signed Ryan, Frk, and Kempe this summer. That's the level now. They want more young guys making the team as time goes on, so who is the big name they're bringing in to steal minutes from them? If Carter is nothing but a cap hit now, then the Kings are the budget team trying to make the floor. He fits here perfectly. Not to mention that the team trading the cap hit tends to have to add to any trade, since it's not overly difficult to reach the floor in any given year.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Oh you mean how teams overpay during the TDL... every damn year!
or how we could have gotten those sell low offers I posted this past TDL but Blake decided to hold for a possible rebound from those guys??

A 1st for each is absolutely plausible if they rebound.. Will they take that route? I dont think so, they'd likely be aimimg for young players like a Jake Bean, Eeli Tolvanen, etc..
I wonder what were your exact expectations for what a Muzzin deal would look like

I remember being told over and over in very colorful terms that Muzzin returning a 1st alone was a pipe dream, never mind a 1st and a good prospect, never never mind a 1st and 2 other assets.

Anyone that did that want to take wagers with me over Toffoli and Martinez?

In a world where Paul f***ing Gaustad gets a 1st, people need to understand that the deadline is catnip for teams on the verge. Just because DL rarely overpaid at the deadline doesn't mean there aren't a whole slew of other GMs on crack.

 

[Steve Zissou]

My honest opening night lineup prediction:

Brown - Kopitar - Carter
Wagner - Kempe - Toffoli
Kovalchuk - Prokhorkin - Grundstrom
Clifford - Lizotte - Iafallo
Amadio, Lewis

Clague - Doughty
Martinez - Walker
Ryan - LaDue
McDermid

Quick
Campbell

Forbort is hurt to start the season. Did I misss anyone obvious?

Nope, but I think JAD is gonna make a strong push to make the team after his cup of coffee last year. He also suffered an injury (broken wrist) and missed some time last season. Dude is already itching to stick this year. Love his mental game.

With Forbort out I think Clague is nearly a lock. Like JAD he's also got a pretty good head on his shoulders and knows what he needs to do to stay in the lineup and make his game more well rounded.

I'm also curious how Prokins will do this season with a good showing thus far.

 

[johnjm22]

In a world where Paul ****ing Gaustad gets a 1st, people need to understand that the deadline is catnip for teams on the verge. Just because DL rarely overpaid at the deadline doesn't mean there aren't a whole slew of other GMs on crack.

We're not in that world anymore.

I also think people are exaggerate this whole supposed TDL mania.

Toffoli could get a 1st if he has a good season, but most likely a conditional 1st.

 

[KingCanadain1976]

I remember being told over and over in very colorful terms that Muzzin returning a 1st alone was a pipe dream, never mind a 1st and a good prospect, never never mind a 1st and 2 other assets.

Anyone that did that want to take wagers with me over Toffoli and Martinez?

In a world where Paul ****ing Gaustad gets a 1st, people need to understand that the deadline is catnip for teams on the verge. Just because DL rarely overpaid at the deadline doesn't mean there aren't a whole slew of other GMs on crack.

In a normal draft year I would agree however this is not a typical draft year with this years draft looked a pond as similar to the 2003 draft. Its said it be as deep if not deeper. Could Toffoli and Martinez get a first sure but odds are more inline for a 2nd and a decent prospect maybe another pick. I hope your right thou cause a couple of first in a deep draft would look nice in a few years.

 

[YP44]

There's always the lottery. Teams finishing between 28th and 19th overall have all won a top 3 lottery pick as many times as teams finishing 31st, 30th, and 29th overall. 27th overall has even done it twice. If they're not total crap this year, all is not lost. The lottery is working.



Like the Kings? Unless Blake and Robitaille throw everything they've said since last Nov/Dec out the window, which I guess is a possibility, who are they going to spend the money on in the next few years? None of the real prospects have contracts that are up before 2022, if not later. A couple other RFA's this year and next, but nobody that's breaking the bank. They signed Ryan, Frk, and Kempe this summer. That's the level now. They want more young guys making the team as time goes on, so who is the big name they're bringing in to steal minutes from them? If Carter is nothing but a cap hit now, then the Kings are the budget team trying to make the floor. He fits here perfectly. Not to mention that the team trading the cap hit tends to have to add to any trade, since it's not overly difficult to reach the floor in any given year.

sorry I guess I meant top 5 lottery odds.

 

[kings11]

In a normal draft year I would agree however this is not a typical draft year with this years draft looked a pond as similar to the 2003 draft. Its said it be as deep if not deeper. Could Toffoli and Martinez get a first sure but odds are more inline for a 2nd and a decent prospect maybe another pick. I hope your right thou cause a couple of first in a deep draft would look nice in a few years.

I think this is the type of darft where you trade your chips for a few 1-3 rounders.. 2 in each round would be fantastic!

 

[YP44]

We're not in that world anymore.

I also think people are exaggerate this whole supposed TDL mania.

Toffoli could get a 1st if he has a good season, but most likely a conditional 1st.

I agree and even in the old world Gaustad was an overpayment at the time. There are deals that make me go, "wow that is a lot to pay but that is what the market is" and there are deals where I go "holy shit that is overpayment". Gaustad was the latter.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Ryan Dzingel just brought back Duclair and 2 2nds. That's about comparable with Toffoli.

This board has spent the last 5 years undervaluing/bashing the value of its own players even when faced with recent market reality.

Edit: or Zuccarello, who brought back a conditional 2nd and 3rd, which became a 1st and 2nd.

I don't know how many times I need to run this exercise. I did it last year for Muzzin too and even I undervalued his return. If I was throwing out arbitrary inflated wishful thinking I'd understand the criticism, but I always cite multiple recent comparables and yet the instinct is just to continually shit on our players.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

In a normal draft year I would agree however this is not a typical draft year with this years draft looked a pond as similar to the 2003 draft. Its said it be as deep if not deeper. Could Toffoli and Martinez get a first sure but odds are more inline for a 2nd and a decent prospect maybe another pick. I hope your right thou cause a couple of first in a deep draft would look nice in a few years.

If it's that deep, people might be more willing to part with a late 1st than multiple 2nds/3rds.

 

[kilowatt]

Ryan Dzingel just brought back Duclair and 2 2nds. That's about comparable with Toffoli.

This board has spent the last 5 years undervaluing/bashing the value of its own players even when faced with recent market reality.

Edit: or Zuccarello, who brought back a conditional 2nd and 3rd, which became a 1st and 2nd.

I don't know how many times I need to run this exercise. I did it last year for Muzzin too and even I undervalued his return.

Agreed. Muzzin brought back a 1st and two quality prospects. Martinez and Toffoli might have less value, but I don’t think a first for either is out of the question at all.