GWT: PL Matchweek 10

[Duchene2MacKinnon]

“I can live with that one”.... lol of course you can it would be beneficial to your team.

 

[Burner Account]

Yes. Give VAR one line. No zooming in. Problem solved.

No lines. If you can’t clearly determine with the naked eye that it’s clearly offside in the time between the goal and the restart, it stands.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

Also, Klopp v. Chris Wilder isn't the cage match I expected this season, but it's a PPV I would 100% pay for.

 

[robertmac43]

 

[AB13]

That’s from 2016.

Richard Scudamore aims for new Premier League winners every six years

Well, this year we need to look at the facts. They choose their favorites and try to create a close title race. I've noticed that Man City have been getting every small decision apart from the Leicester game. Leicester always get decisions in their favour. VAR never sees their red card incidents. Chelsea got two soft penalties against Palace, a soft penalty against Brighton and had a goal stand after a Havertz handball against West Brom.

Things like these are not given with VAR, when it is one of the leagues favorites.

 

[Savant]

No lines. If you can’t clearly determine with the naked eye that it’s clearly offside in the time between the goal and the restart, it stands.

One line is my compromise. But zero line(s) is best.

 

[hatterson]

I can live with that one but had that happened pre-VAR, I wouldn't have thought "wow, that's a travesty."

Frank Lampard kicking the ball all the way to Botswana at the 2010 World Cup and the ref saying it didn't cross the line is the type of call I want to see overturned or you end up doing more harm than good.

Mane was very clearly offside. If that had been allowed to stand it would have definitely qualified as a travesty in a one goal game.

The Salah one was close, but still clearly offside in the replay. It wasn’t a case of debating over which pixel was used or where the arm begins and shoulder stops. It wouldn’t have been a travesty if it’s stood obviously, but I also don’t know how you can possibly implement offside reviews and not have that called back.

 

[hatterson]

Yes. Give VAR one line. No zooming in. Problem solved.

The reason you can’t do this is inconsistent angles. There are definitely some that look way onside or offside even with a line on the pitch but turn out the other way when you use the Hawkeye stuff.

 

[Savant]

I know I'm the guy that can't let it go, but I just can't with you guys right now. Not going to talk about it again, I'm sure everyone is sick of it, but...

You just saw a play like this given 4 weeks ago, only with even less contact, and everyone said it was "stonewall"...

Two things to me make it different. Salah had more possession than Welbeck did. The PK was called on the field, not from upstairs.

not trying to change your mind, sharing my opinion on the matter.

 

[hatterson]

Well, this year we need to look at the facts. They choose their favorites and try to create a close title race. I've noticed that Man City have been getting every small decision apart from the Leicester game. Leicester always get decisions in their favour. VAR never sees their red card incidents. Chelsea got two soft penalties against Palace, a soft penalty against Brighton and had a goal stand after a Havertz handball against West Brom.

Things like these are not given with VAR, when it is one of the leagues favorites.

A still shot there proves absolutely nothing, especially given the way the players legs have already crashed into each other.

 

[Savant]

The reason you can’t do this is inconsistent angles. There are definitely some that look way onside or offside even with a line on the pitch but turn out the other way when you use the Hawkeye stuff.

That’s my point though. You shouldn’t be able to reverse what the naked eye can’t see.

 

[Savant]

Also, Klopp v. Chris Wilder isn't the cage match I expected this season, but it's a PPV I would 100% pay for.

Wilder shot first. Really interesting because Wilder was one of, if not the most complimentary of Klopp last season.

 

[Machinehead]

“I can live with that one”.... lol of course you can it would be beneficial to your team.

Mane being fairly ruled offside would have been beneficial to my team? What?

All I'm saying is, if that's a good goal back in the day, it gets forgotten about, just like the other ones in this game.

If they're gonna make calls like that one, that's cool, but when they're breaking out the laser-powered microscopes or just looking for things that might be there, it's sabotaging the game.

That's what that penalty was. They're just looking to find things.

 

[hatterson]

That’s my point though. You shouldn’t be able to reverse what the naked eye can’t see.

But in those cases the naked eye probably could see it if you had a better camera angle. It’s like trying to judge if the ball went over the goal line from the standard midfield TV angle. Yea in obvious cases you can, but the close ones you really can’t because you don’t have a good angle.

 

[Savant]

Klopp “blames broadcaster”
Reporter “not my fault blame PL”
Klopp “you pick the games”
Reporter “PL chose the time slots”
Klopp “pick teams that didn’t play European midweek games to play early Saturday”
Reporter “lolwut”

 

[Machinehead]

Mane was very clearly offside. If that had been allowed to stand it would have definitely qualified as a travesty in a one goal game.

The Salah one was close, but still clearly offside in the replay. It wasn’t a case of debating over which pixel was used or where the arm begins and shoulder stops. It wouldn’t have been a travesty if it’s stood obviously, but I also don’t know how you can possibly implement offside reviews and not have that called back.

I think Savant put it perfectly. You're going too far when you have to start drawing lines instead of looking at it.

 

[hatterson]

The issue isn’t a Saturday game, Liverpool needs to play today, it’s the 12:30 local kickoff as opposed to 4:30 or 7pm.

 

[Savant]

But in those cases the naked eye probably could see it if you had a better camera angle. It’s like trying to judge if the ball went over the goal line from the standard midfield TV angle. Yea in obvious cases you can, but the close ones you really can’t because you don’t have a good angle.

I mean this goes back to the “tie goes to the runner” scenario. I stand by what I said. If you need to zoom into armpits and toenails it shouldn’t be over turned. The lines aren’t consistent either because the VAR official gets to redraw them over and over. If you have to zoom in and use multiple cameras it is no longer “clear and obvious”

 

[robertmac43]

City is going to win this game by a TD.

 

[Savant]

The issue isn’t a Saturday game, Liverpool needs to play today, it’s the 12:30 local kickoff as opposed to 4:30 or 7pm.

Yeah you are right. Typing too fast. Meant to have the word early in there.

 

[hersky77]

I mean what klopp is saying makes sense.

All European teams should be playing on Sunday or the Monday game.

I get it they can’t do it for ratings etc... but it would solve a whole bunch of problems.

or you know go to five subs.

 

[hatterson]

I think Savant put it perfectly. You're going too far when you have to start drawing lines instead of looking at it.

I *might* agree if you had camera angles that were perpendicular to the field every yard or two so that you could actually get a real shot of the play. But you don’t have that so lines are the only way to overcome optical illusions and have anything resembling a real VAR.

 

[Savant]

City is going to win this game by a TD.

Every City vs Burnley game, City scores early and Dyche quits. Or they drag it out and pray for 0-0. Morons. I hope they get relegated I am sick of them.

 

[robertmac43]

or you know go to five subs.

This should be a no brainer decision. The burnout for these players is going to be insane between the already intense schedule and the Euros and WC coming up fast.

 

[robertmac43]

Every City vs Burnley game, City scores early and Dyche quits. Or they drag it out and pray for 0-0. Morons. I hope they get relegated I am sick of them.

I was just thinking this might be the most uninspiring fixture that happens in a PL season.