GWT: PL Matchweek 10

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2020

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

I'm ecstatic

 

[Machinehead]

Mugged in broad daylight again

 

[robertmac43]

While watching live i did not think it was a pen. Considering other calls around the league this year, I'm not surprised by the final decision.

All and all the share of points is probably a fair result.

 

[Savant]

Mugged in broad daylight again

I don’t want to take anything away from Brighton who played well but it really feels that way. Especially with the Milner injury. Feels like a loss.

 

[AB13]

I said a few weeks into the season that referee decisions were now going against Liverpool. Pretty blatant that the PL want a close title race. They even say so themselves. The league uses VAR to push an agenda, they can pick and choose their favorites. Uniteds top 4 run last season would never have happened without referee bias.

Leicester already have 8 penalties this season and basically none of them were correctly given. 8 in a whole season is usually the biggest tally over a whole season. They've had a season's worth of pens already. Their title winning season involed them getting constant cheap calls as well, they ceirtainly did not deserve to win the league. Expect no less from the media fairytale darlings.

Arsenal have 10 pentalites since 2018 despite having a lot more touches in the box than Leicester since then. I've just realised that we've been robbed of 5 points in 2020 against Leicester. Vardy offside goal in July, Vardy's red card offence conveniently not seen and Lacazette goal disallowed at the Emirates.

 

[Machinehead]

I don’t want to take anything away from Brighton who played well but it really feels that way. Especially with the Milner injury. Feels like a loss.

I feel like there's always all this conjecture on these big VAR calls and that's the first sign you're doing something wrong.

By the language of the rules, VAR was introduced to correct calls where everyone in the building knew they f***ed it up when they saw it the first time.

 

[Savant]

I’m not going to say it wasn’t a foul by Robertson, but I am going to say I’ve been watching soccer at least once a week for almost 20 years, and I have never seen a PK called for a play like that in real time.

 

[hersky77]

Salah being ruled offside because of his toe nails is a joke.

not even going to touch the pen.

 

[Savant]

I feel like there's always all this conjecture on these big VAR calls and that's the first sign you're doing something wrong.

By the language of the rules, VAR was introduced to correct calls where everyone in the building knew they f***ed it up when they saw it the first time.

And in other leagues it is. PL on the other hand never wanted it so they are implementing it terribly. It’s sabotage. The sad thing is that it gets calls right. VAR should be there to overturn offsides like Sterling vs Man City in 2013, not looking to overrule things the naked eye can’t see.

said it before. Makes me think of hockey when they challenge for offsides just hoping the camera finds something. Game 1 of Penguins/Predators Stanley Cup final where Subban’s goal got ruled out because of a fractional skate position is the best example. That was Salah’s toenail today.

 

[robertmac43]

I think the post game show is nailing the pen call:

• Real time not a pen, when you slow it down an adjust the angle with VAR, yeah it can be a pen..
• Nature of today's game is that these are going to be pens more frequently. It needs to be clear and obvious to over turn, but when you can slow it down and have great angles, over turning becomes too easy
• The bar for reviewing things is become less and less as time goes on so we are only going to have more controversial pen calls

 

[Burner Account]

I said a few weeks into the season that referee decisions were now going against Liverpool. Pretty blatant that the PL want a close title race.

I’m not going to go this far.

Completely irrespective of the title race, VAR as it’s currently used in the PL is a net negative. It’s the center of attention week in, week out. When you find yourself talking more about VAR than the actual game, it’s not working.

 

[Machinehead]

And in other leagues it is. PL on the other hand never wanted it so they are implementing it terribly. It’s sabotage. The sad thing is that it gets calls right. VAR should be there to overturn offsides like Sterling vs Man City in 2013, not looking to overrule things the naked eye can’t see.

said it before. Makes me think of hockey when they challenge for offsides just hoping the camera finds something. Game 1 of Penguins/Predators Stanley Cup final where Subban’s goal got ruled out because of a fractional skate position is the best example. That was Salah’s toenail today.

Doing more harm than good at this point. I can't remember the last time I saw an absolute howler from the refs and thought "wow, good thing VAR was there."

 

[Savant]

I think the post game show is nailing the pen call:

• Real time not a pen, when you slow it down an adjust the angle with VAR, yeah it can be a pen..
• Nature of today's game is that these are going to be pens more frequently. It needs to be clear and obvious to over turn, but when you can slow it down and have great angles, over turning becomes too easy
• The bar for reviewing things is become less and less as time goes on so we are only going to have more controversial pen calls

This is where my problem lies. But it is what it is. If you are looking for something you can probably find it.

 

[AB13]

I’m not going to go this far.

Completely irrespective of the title race, VAR as it’s currently used in the PL is a net negative. It’s the center of attention week in, week out. When you find yourself talking more about VAR than the actual game, it’s not working.

This sounds a bit suspect.

 

[hatterson]

Doing more harm than good at this point. I can't remember the last time I saw an absolute howler from the refs and thought "wow, good thing VAR was there."

I mean, Mane had a goal called back that was very clearly offside today.

 

[Savant]

Doing more harm than good at this point. I can't remember the last time I saw an absolute howler from the refs and thought "wow, good thing VAR was there."

There are probably a couple of examples, but the negatives tend to stick out more. I still think the PL Refs are going out of their way to make VAR look bad though. We probably have gotten the benefit of VAR at times too, (Chelsea Red Card this season I think was a correct VAR overturn that helped) but this season it has cost LFC 4 points now. Which is looking more and more likely to be a massive swing.

 

[Burner Account]

This sounds a bit suspect.

That’s from 2016.

Richard Scudamore aims for new Premier League winners every six years

 

[Savant]

I mean, Mane had a goal called back that was very clearly offside today.

Which is how VAR should be used. Rule out the clear stuff. What they shouldn’t do is re-draw offsides lines on the monitors and use 3D Zoom XRay vision to look at armpits and toenails. All off this could be solved very easily by simplifying it.

 

[Machinehead]

I mean, Mane had a goal called back that was very clearly offside today.

I can live with that one but had that happened pre-VAR, I wouldn't have thought "wow, that's a travesty."

Frank Lampard kicking the ball all the way to Botswana at the 2010 World Cup and the ref saying it didn't cross the line is the type of call I want to see overturned or you end up doing more harm than good.

 

[Savant]

That’s from 2016.

Richard Scudamore aims for new Premier League winners every six years

I don’t think Scudamore is in charge anymore?

 

[hatterson]

That’s from 2016.

Richard Scudamore aims for new Premier League winners every six years

Also literally has nothing to do with VAR and everything to do with how they’re trying to level the financial field enough to allow more smaller clubs to compete.

 

[robertmac43]

Moving on from the VAR crap of the day. Brighton played really well; Welbz looks great, Match was solid, Veltman stepp in for Lamptey and did a great job, Ben White was calm and collected along the back line, and Trossard came on and jumped into the action right away (he was supposed to have limited minutes this week due to injury).

Overall proud of the effort, on to Southampton in the battle of the coast!

 

[Savant]

I can live with that one but had that happened pre-VAR, I wouldn't have thought "wow, that's a travesty."

Frank Lampard kicking the ball all the way to Botswana at the 2010 World Cup and the ref saying it didn't cross the line is the type of call I want to see overturned or you end up doing more harm than good.

Yes. Give VAR one line. No zooming in. Problem solved.

 

[Jersey Fresh]

I’m not going to say it wasn’t a foul by Robertson, but I am going to say I’ve been watching soccer at least once a week for almost 20 years, and I have never seen a PK called for a play like that in real time.

I know I'm the guy that can't let it go, but I just can't with you guys right now. Not going to talk about it again, I'm sure everyone is sick of it, but...

You just saw a play like this given 4 weeks ago, only with even less contact, and everyone said it was "stonewall"...