Value of: PK Subban at the deadline with double retention.

[Bouboumaster]

he's UFA at the end of the season.

Why would they pay to get rid of him? They have the cap space.

Why making a thread about trading for Subban than if you don't want to trade him?

 

[member 334057]

As if someone would actually pay you for Subban lol

I'm not a Devils fan so I really don't care what they get for him, simply pointing out the Devils have no need to trade him. Your suggestion that they send him to the Habs along with a 1st round pick makes absolutely no sense at all. They have cap space, they are not likely to make the playoffs and his contract is expiring. If they are unable to get anything for him at the TDL they will just keep him and save their picks, not give them to the Habs for no reason.

 

[danyhabsfan]

Why making a thread about trading for Subban than if you don't want to trade him?

The title of the thread suggest Subban with double retention.

With double retention I bet he could get a 2nd pick. He's still a big name.

 

[HugeInTheShire]

It's more about me making writting mistakes in a language I'm not the best at I'd say

Makes sense, I sometimes forget some peoples first language isn't English

 

[Bouboumaster]

Makes sense, I sometimes forget some peoples first language isn't English

Sorry about that

 

[Irie]

All this talk about double retention being unfeasible confuses me.

a third team retaining 25% on his deal would prorate at less than 1 million in cap, and the actual salary would probably only be around 125k.

Some team out of contention with a little cap space and an extra retention slot would more than likely "help out" if it meant picking up a 5th round pick for 125k.

Now whether or not a contender would have interest in Subban is a different debate....

 

[Overrateprospects]

It's the price that I'd ask for at the very least.
Which team could take him, other than the Habs? (And would be interested in taking him?)

Why would a rebuilding team trade a first to unload a guy who is a UFA at the end of the year?

 

[My3Sons]

NJ doesn’t need to move Subban. NJ probably won’t move him for a nothing draft pick. If nothing materializes they won’t lose sleep. They’ve been bad for long enough that if they can play well down the stretch my guess is they’d rather do that then continue to burn down the team. NJ kept Murray last season. Not a big deal. I’d be shocked if a team that needs a right defender with some puck skills and playoff experience doesn’t offer at least a fourth and a C+ prospect for him at 50% retention. Maybe NJ asks for a second and a fourth and they settle on a third and a B- prospect or something along those lines. Hard to see NJ moving him for effectively nothing. He’s been decent this year despite the thinly veiled hate he gets from some.

 

[TBF1972]

It's the price that I'd ask for at the very least.
Which team could take him, other than the Habs? (And would be interested in taking him?)

asking the devils for first round picks to get rid of subban is as productive as asking montreal to add multiple unprotected firsts for taking the price albatros contract. but may we can lessen your burden.

subban @50%

for

price @50%
2022 unprotected 1st
2023 unproteced 1st

and before you jump to the keyboard. i know that montreal can't, shouldn't and wouldn't do that, because
a) those 1st round picks have immense value for your rebuild and
b) montreal is a losing team with or without price for the next few seasons

the devils even have less urgency to trade subban in a cap dump move. capfriendly has the devils at 14m available cap space. if they don't want to play him, they can send him to the press box or the minors. his cap hit doesn't prevent them from any business. asking for a first round pick is pure stupidity.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

All this talk about double retention being unfeasible confuses me.

a third team retaining 25% on his deal would prorate at less than 1 million in cap, and the actual salary would probably only be around 125k.

Some team out of contention with a little cap space and an extra retention slot would more than likely "help out" if it meant picking up a 5th round pick for 125k.

Now whether or not a contender would have interest in Subban is a different debate....

Teams are always looking for defensive depth

 

[Smitty426]

Why would a rebuilding team trade a first to unload a guy who is a UFA at the end of the year?

They wouldn't, its dumb. We do not need to move his cap hit, he's been paid, he's plating at a .5 ppg this year, is actually a good teammate locker room guy. Does he have warts yes, but he has value. I did not drill down to the actual 125K like you did so its even more value! Look at recent history, GMs look for depth for a deep playoff run. He has that experience. Devs are probably not bringing him back and if they want too, PK does not seem to be the kinda guy to hold a grudge like that. I expect Fitz to get a prospect and a pick, not give up a first, in fact not give up anything except maybe to take back capped player

 

[Smitty426]

All this talk about double retention being unfeasible confuses me.

a third team retaining 25% on his deal would prorate at less than 1 million in cap, and the actual salary would probably only be around 125k.

Some team out of contention with a little cap space and an extra retention slot would more than likely "help out" if it meant picking up a 5th round pick for 125k.

Now whether or not a contender would have interest in Subban is a different debate....

Be careful though we draft in the 5th round better than anyone... I mean it! Bratt, Sharongovich. If Fitz can make it happen otherwise without giving up his magic pick at 5th its great

 

[Overrateprospects]

They wouldn't, its dumb. We do not need to move his cap hit, he's been paid, he's plating at a .5 ppg this year, is actually a good teammate locker room guy. Does he have warts yes, but he has value. I did not drill down to the actual 125K like you did so its even more value! Look at recent history, GMs look for depth for a deep playoff run. He has that experience. Devs are probably not bringing him back and if they want too, PK does not seem to be the kinda guy to hold a grudge like that. I expect Fitz to get a prospect and a pick, not give up a first, in fact not give up anything except maybe to take back capped player

Problem is his cap hit so it probably requires two retentions. The other issue is how many contenders even with that kind of contention will give up a lot to bring him in considering retention. The other issue is his slew footing nonsense this season who is to say the next time he “accidentally” does it to someone the league doesn’t give him a decent suspension

 

[Smitty426]

Problem is his cap hit so it probably requires two retention's. The other issue is how many contenders even with that kind of contention will give up a lot to bring him in considering retention. The other issue is his slew footing nonsense this season who is to say the next time he “accidentally” does it to someone the league doesn’t give him a decent suspension

As someone already noted, the double retention thing is quite easy. I'd point to Savard and Ristolainen last year, those returns were a bit over the top, as happens at TDL. The SFing is a thing, but it has not been stopped that we know of. If a team can add a depth talent for a position of need they will find ways to make a deal. Will it be enough, that remains to be seen, but the ability to do it is certainly there.

 

[Overrateprospects]

As someone already noted, the double retention thing is quite easy. I'd point to Savard and Ristolainen last year, those returns were a bit over the top, as happens at TDL. The SFing is a thing, but it has not been stopped that we know of. If a team can add a depth talent for a position of need they will find ways to make a deal. Will it be enough, that remains to be seen, but the ability to do it is certainly there.

Yeah I get Devils and someone else could retain but Savard’s cap hit was half of PK and he can play D. It will require the acquiring team to give up more for a guy who won’t be worth that or teams have enough cap space to acquire him. Right now Red Wings, Ducks and Blue Jackets are border line playoffs contenders and doubt Ducks have interest already having Shattenkirk. CBJ has Adam Boqvist and Red Wings have Seider so I’m not even sure Devils could trade him. It’s possible but acquiring team will need to have a need for a 3rd pair PP specialist who can’t play D to save his life.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Yeah I get Devils and someone else could retain but Savard’s cap hit was half of PK and he can play D. It will require the acquiring team to give up more for a guy who won’t be worth that or teams have enough cap space to acquire him. Right now Red Wings, Ducks and Blue Jackets are border line playoffs contenders and doubt Ducks have interest already having Shattenkirk. CBJ has Adam Boqvist and Red Wings have Seider so I’m not even sure Devils could trade him. It’s possible but acquiring team will need to have a need for a 3rd pair PP specialist who can’t play D to save his life.

Every team wants depth on defense, as long as he's healthy the Devils will be able to trade him.

They won't get music but they can trade him

 

[Chainshot]

Retained, a whole slew of teams might foot the bill.

 

[Guttersniped]

Every team wants depth on defense, as long as he's healthy the Devils will be able to trade him.

They won't get music but they can trade him