Gurglesons
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JT Miller is whatever. He’d be the latest in the Brassard / Zucker vein that looks lethal on a meh forward depth team and then gets moved to a contender and disappears. See Miller in TB.
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Dipsy Doodle
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I think this team would benefit from more diversity in their attack on a few fronts.
How much do you think Deslauriers would cost?
Gurglesons
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I just don’t really see what Reinhart brings here for what BUF is asking. If you get him cheap I’m down. But like no chance you’re getting him cheap.
I’m not a big Miller guy either, but at least he adds that hard nosed element.
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Probably something like he does in Buffalo. Durability, ~60 points a season, good hockey IQ, dependable defensive play, RH shot.
There's no reason why a player like that should be cheap, other than a hope.
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Realistically this team's gonna coast out the remainder of the window because of a lack of cap/assets to shuffle things around to the degree they need to in order to hang with the big guns of the NHL like Colorado, Vegas, Tampa, etc.
They didn't bring Hextall aboard to torch the roster and see like 6 pieces in/out in the next calendar year, imo.
They didn't bring Hextall aboard to torch the roster and see like 6 pieces in/out in the next calendar year, imo.
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Gurglesons
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I already said how I feel. He’s a not very physical, not necessarily big forward who scores at a high level with Jack Eichel and had a good season after his team’s hopes were trashed.
would I take him if he cost a 1st and Poulin? Probably not to be honest.
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So when Eichel's there, he's scoring because of Eichel...but when Eichel's not there, he's scoring when the Sabres' hopes were trashed.
It's almost like no matter when Reinhart scores it doesn't count unless he can single-handedly make the Sabres a competitive team, which Eichel himself can't do. Hall couldn't either, so he probably can't help a contender.
All he did was manage to score more goals than any Penguin, and 12 more than any Sabre.
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well that’s my whole point. He’s a solid player on a team lacking offensive talent much like Zucker and Brassard. When you put him in a situation like ours he’s not getting those minutes and usage.
Maybe it works out, but I just don’t see what he adds. He’s a solid player, but what is the difference between him and Rust? Couple inches?
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Reinhart's a better playmaker than Rust, for one. So we'd add a second winger to our team that can actually generate chances other than Guentzel.
Also not sure why he wouldn't get that usage here. Is the scenario Rust is gone? Or as a "replacement" for Geno when he's hurt? In either case, he'd slot onto the top PP unit for either guy, so he'd still be getting prime minutes.
Gurglesons
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I mean. One could say the same would happen with Kapanen or Zucker. But yeah..
Miller's 5v5 production tends to be ordinary unless with serious talent. His first mini-season in Tampa he was with Kuch and Stamkos and went on a spree. Then he got less time with Kucherov and more with guys like Cirelli and Killorn and his production cratered. Then he gets Pettersson time with Vancouver, then he doesn't. He'd be a great piece if we still believed in Sid and Geno being guys carrying major loads for major amounts of time, or if we believe we've got playmaking wings for both and need high end third wheels. He'd not be a great piece if looking for the playmaking wing. Just from the numbers at least.
Reinhart... has been a major playdriver at both ends and has turned into quite a goalscorer. I thought he looked good against us with no Eichel, although without being able to give a major attribute. Bringing him here would be a bit of a gamble at the cost but I think he could be a guy who really takes off if with Sid and Guentzel, and look at around Guentzel's level pretty quick. I also think if he came here he'd end up with Rust's minutes, so his opportunity level wouldn't sink.
Reinhart... has been a major playdriver at both ends and has turned into quite a goalscorer. I thought he looked good against us with no Eichel, although without being able to give a major attribute. Bringing him here would be a bit of a gamble at the cost but I think he could be a guy who really takes off if with Sid and Guentzel, and look at around Guentzel's level pretty quick. I also think if he came here he'd end up with Rust's minutes, so his opportunity level wouldn't sink.
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Why are we talking about getting Reinhart when Eichel is all but demanding a trade - let’s go for Eichel!!
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If he's playing 2C for us - the point of this proposal - there's no reason why he shouldn't get those minutes and usage.
He's 3 years younger than Rust and plays center. Those are the key differences.
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Eichel would cost a lot more, and he gives off series diva vibes.
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Eichel gives me less diva vibes than "I'm dying alive" in Buffalo vibes, but maybe that's the same thing. I think the situation with how they handled his injury has permanently poisoned the well and he could do well elsewhere. I don't think we have the assets to make a run for him, but there is part of me that is deeply intrigued by trying to keep our window open grabbing a young star instead of waiting for us to be terrible and hopefully draft one.
The price for Eichel would be astronomic, his cap hit would kill our depth and keeping all 3 Cs happy would be nigh impossible. Unless the plan is to move on from Malkin this summer, I just don't see how it works.
Where as the price for Reinhart would be cheaper and he could play top 6 RW when we actually have all Cs available, and the cap hit would be more manageable. He's not as good as Eichel but it's actually workable.
Where as the price for Reinhart would be cheaper and he could play top 6 RW when we actually have all Cs available, and the cap hit would be more manageable. He's not as good as Eichel but it's actually workable.
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Why did they bring him here then? To build a mediocre team similar to what he did in Philly?
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We need a system that will allow guys to score easy goals before we're going to see an explosion in depth goals like 2016. It doesn't matter who we bring in if they have to fight along the boards to get out of our zone, make 3 perfect passes in a row and then a one on one play to beat the defender as well unless they make an unforced turnover. We have better depth than we've had in ages but we're still struggling to generate high danger offense consistently.
Are you looking for a better breakout and neutral zone rush to get more rush chances, or just more high end shots, or what?
Did you watch the Caps goal by their fourth line last night? Got a turnover and quickly that pass went from Hathaway to Dowd streaking toward the goalie and then Dowd’s snapped the puck off with a quick release....that’s what the Pens need much more often...the passes and shots need to get off much much quicker...you can’t hold the puck and survey sight lines you have to the goalie...this is one of our main problems on the PP imo...we should fake the goalie out by pretending to pass and then fire a quick shot at net to break down coverage...hopefully someone there can get a stick on it...besides getting bodies to the net, we just don’t pass and shoot quick enough...major problem...the breakouts have been ok but on that issue, again, we look to shoot more on the rush when the goalie can see the shot and there’s not enough cycling by all four lines...cycling with quick passes and releases will do more damage...this is imo why our goals per game is significantly diminished in the playoffs
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If they would have traded :
McCann for Bennett
Petterson for a physical D
Rust or Jake for a physical fast W
GREAT TEAM would be us right now
McCann for Bennett
Petterson for a physical D
Rust or Jake for a physical fast W
GREAT TEAM would be us right now
Randy Butternubs
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I think I proposed Pettersson for McNabb before. Not sure if Vegas does it.
And I'm assuming the Pens trade for Deslauriers.
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