Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread

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Sidney the Kidney

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What are the expectations of Connor Hall? I remember when he got drafted Jay McKee said he felt he could improve his offensive game.

We really need to restock our cupboard at D

Unless his offensive game/puck moving game takes a massive step upward, I think we'll be lucky if Hall even becomes an Ian Cole.
 

Sidney the Kidney

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If he mirrors Cole, that would be tremendous for us. Cole will be gone by then, we'll need another.

I said lucky to be like Cole (as in, very unlikely but the absolute best case scenario). Hall's got a LOT to prove, IMO, this coming season. Hopefully the shoulder injury doesn't hurt his development even more.
 

Jag68Sid87

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I said lucky to be like Cole (as in, very unlikely but the absolute best case scenario). Hall's got a LOT to prove, IMO, this coming season. Hopefully the shoulder injury doesn't hurt his development even more.

OK, but even Cole was not established completely in the NHL when we got him, which is why it only cost Bortuzzo and a pick to get him.

Let's see what happens.
 

Sidney the Kidney

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OK, but even Cole was not established completely in the NHL when we got him, which is why it only cost Bortuzzo and a pick to get him.

Let's see what happens.

Like I said, we'll see this year. Hall needs to have a big draft+2 year to give hope he's got the potential to be a regular NHLer down the road.
 

Dread Pirate Roberts

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Lafferty is hard to judge because he has played his entire college career so far on an abysmally bad team. Last season he had 35 points when the entire Brown team scored only 66 goals (leading to a 4-25-2 record). So Lafferty contributed on 53% of their offense. And without scoring a single PP goal (he had 2 shorties, though). That's just insane. He definitely had a breakout year that really put him on our prospect map. But will his production translate or was it simply a case of Brown being a bad team and somebody had to score some points?

When players on bad teams score in hockey, it's not because "somebody had to score." There are plenty of shutouts in hockey. College hockey in general is particularly low-scoring. To score, you still have to find your way around the defense and beat the goalie. If you don't have enough talent to do that, you're not going to do that.

Plus, if there was a such thing as a "somebody had to score" effect, you'd expect at least some of it to show up on the powerplay, where some of the work of beating the defense was done ahead of time by the referees and goalies are easier to beat because they're screened so much of the time.

Speaking of that, I know this isn't the Brown University Bears hockey thread, but how do you not get a guy who has a hand in over half of your offense involved on the powerplay? They had three guys who scored powerplay goals, all forwards, so presumably those were the three forwards they actually used, and all of them were significantly less productive than Lafferty. You'd think maybe putting your team's best player on the ice when it's easiest to score might lead to more goals, but what do I know? I never coached any terrible hockey teams.
 

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Hey, I wasn't trying to belittle what Lafferty accomplished last season. He did great and like I said, that year really put him on our map. Just trying to be cautious before people pencil him in as our 3rd center for 2018-19. ;)
 

Jag68Sid87

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Like I said, we'll see this year. Hall needs to have a big draft+2 year to give hope he's got the potential to be a regular NHLer down the road.

And if he doesn't? We should still sign him. Because he might have his big breakthrough season at age 20, and not 19.

Let's not make the same mistake we did with Jake Muzzin. Big, projectable defensemen can take time, sometimes.
 

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Funny thing about Lafferty when he was a kid playing in the PAHL, his teams weren't that great. They'd tie a game 8-8 and he'd have all 8 goals.
 

Zero Pucks

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I'll chime in with my top ten since I'm bored.

1. Sprong
2. ZAR
3. Blueger
4. Jarry
5. Gustavsson
6. Lafferty
7. Simon
8. Tiffels
9. Bjorkqvist
10. Lauzon

I find it a bit hard to rate all of our defense prospect right now. Most of them seem to have a similar scouting report, and there's not much separating them other than where they were drafted. I guess it's just a matter of seeing who can step it up and make the biggest impact on their teams in the next few years.
 

Sidney the Kidney

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And if he doesn't? We should still sign him. Because he might have his big breakthrough season at age 20, and not 19.

Let's not make the same mistake we did with Jake Muzzin. Big, projectable defensemen can take time, sometimes.

Jake Muzzin also had 29 points in his draft+2 year. That or better is the kind of season I was saying Hall needs to show in his draft+2 season. Because his draft+1 season was nothing short of a disaster between the injury and him being on pace for a 12-point season.
 

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I don't know anything about the schedule for the AHL but how many times will they play the Habs team, Laval Rocket?
 

Burgs

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I don't know anything about the schedule for the AHL but how many times will they play the Habs team, Laval Rocket?

The new schedule isn't out yet but the Baby Pens usually play North Division (where Laval has been placed) clubs only two or four times a year. AHL teams play the vast majority of their games within their own division to keep travel costs down.
 

Jag68Sid87

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Yeah, I too want to see Wilkes-Barre/Scranton when they visit Laval.

I have never seen a W-B/S game live, that would be fun to experience.

Come to think of it, I have not seen many AHL games, ever. I think maybe two.

The Hamilton Bulldogs used to play a few games every year at the Bell Centre. I saw a God-awful Philadelphia Phantoms team get destroyed by Hamilton a few years back, and I saw a great Syracuse Crunch team destroy Hamilton. It was during the most recent lockout, and lots of current Lightning players were on that team. That was the game Radko Gudas (Crunch) ended Blake Geoffrion's playing career with what appeared to be a massive, yet fairly normal open-ice hit into the boards.
 

Clare2904

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I saw two Marlies games when I lived in Toronto. One was against Texas Stars and can't remember the other. No idea who I watched either :laugh:
 

Crafton

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i'm going to use a spring 1994 birthdate cut-off which would exclude Archibald, Corrado, Prow, Dea, Pouliot and Zink (what's his story? is he in the system?) and just try ranking everyone else:

1. Daniel Sprong (1997)
2. Tristan Jarry (1995)
3. Zach Aston-Reese (1994)
4. Felix Gustavsson (1998)
5. Teddy Blueger (1994)
6. Lukas Bengtsson (1994)
7. Dominik Simon (1994)
8. Niclas Almari (1998)
9. Zachary Lauzon (1998)
10. Adam Johnson (1994)
11. Anthony Angello (1996)
12. Nikita Pavlychev (1997)
13. Linus Olund (1997)
14. Jeff Taylor (1994)
15. Thomas Di Pauli (1994)
16. Sam Lafferty (1995)
17. Kasper Bjorkqvist (1997)
18. Freddie Tiffels (1995)
19. Jan Drozg (1999)
20. Connor Hall (1998)
21. Clayton Phillips (1999)
22. Antti Palojarvi (1999)
23. Joe Masonius (1997)
24. Ryan Jones (1996)
25. Dane Birks (1995)
 

Freeptop

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i'm going to use a spring 1994 birthdate cut-off which would exclude Archibald, Corrado, Prow, Dea, Pouliot and Zink (what's his story? is he in the system?) and just try ranking everyone else:

Zink is signed to an AHL-only deal, so he wouldn't count as a Pittsburgh Penguins prospect in any case. Technically, any NHL team can sign him to an NHL deal at any time.
 

Big McLargehuge

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It's a shame he's not a legitimate prospect.
 

froods

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i'm going to use a spring 1994 birthdate cut-off which would exclude Archibald, Corrado, Prow, Dea, Pouliot and Zink (what's his story? is he in the system?) and just try ranking everyone else:

1. Daniel Sprong (1997)
2. Tristan Jarry (1995)
3. Zach Aston-Reese (1994)
4. Felix Gustavsson (1998)
5. Teddy Blueger (1994)
6. Lukas Bengtsson (1994)
7. Dominik Simon (1994)
8. Niclas Almari (1998)
9. Zachary Lauzon (1998)
10. Adam Johnson (1994)
11. Anthony Angello (1996)
12. Nikita Pavlychev (1997)
13. Linus Olund (1997)
14. Jeff Taylor (1994)
15. Thomas Di Pauli (1994)
16. Sam Lafferty (1995)
17. Kasper Bjorkqvist (1997)
18. Freddie Tiffels (1995)
19. Jan Drozg (1999)
20. Connor Hall (1998)
21. Clayton Phillips (1999)
22. Antti Palojarvi (1999)
23. Joe Masonius (1997)
24. Ryan Jones (1996)
25. Dane Birks (1995)

I though Di Pauli was supposed to have more of an impact?
 
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