Prospect Info: Pittsburgh Penguins Prospects Thread: 2023-2024 Edition

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Dang, I f***in' forgot about Broz. Swing and a miss on that one.

 

[Jacob]

Oops meant that for the WB/S thread.

 

[pengineer]

Dang, I f***in' forgot about Broz. Swing and a miss on that one.

If you want to feel real bad compare his point totals to the two 7th round picks leading that team.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

If you want to feel real bad compare his point totals to the two 7th round picks leading that team.

I'm already plenty annoyed watching Knies, who Dubas sniped a pick before Hextall took Broz.

 

[Jersey Fan 12]

Can he make it to the front of the goal, stand there, and pick up a goal every four games from there? We seem to have a dearth of guys with that skill.

Through 26 games as an 18-year-old in the KHL he is +7 and has 6 goals with 8 assists and 15 pm.

Numbers don't always tell the full story but seems to be off to a pretty good start playing against men.

 

[Jacob]

The only comparable prospects to him are Michkov and Yurov in terms of production. Yurov, 24th overall pick, has 1 more point, but is almost 2 full years older. Teams are similar in terms of GF, and Yurov is around 6th/7th in scoring for Magnitogorsk as well.

Michkov is ahead of both. 18 points in 21 games.

 

[SEALBound]

The only comparable prospects to him are Michkov and Yurov in terms of production. Yurov, 24th overall pick, has 1 more point, but is almost 2 full years older. Teams are similar in terms of GF, and Yurov is around 6th/7th in scoring for Magnitogorsk as well.

Michkov is ahead of both. 18 points in 21 games.

So there is legit reason for cautious optimism here. That's great out of a 5th rounder, honestly.

Michkov is something else. I love checking game recaps of his. I think Montreal and Arizona will be sad they left him on the table.

 

[The Old Master]

The only comparable prospects to him are Michkov and Yurov in terms of production. Yurov, 24th overall pick, has 1 more point, but is almost 2 full years older. Teams are similar in terms of GF, and Yurov is around 6th/7th in scoring for Magnitogorsk as well.

Michkov is ahead of both. 18 points in 21 games.

so much depends on ...
1. what team he's playing on
2. who is he playing with
3. how is he being used by the team (situations/ice time)
all things that I have no clue on. so trying to make any kind of comparesion would be foolish.

 

[Jacob]

so much depends on ...
1. what team he's playing on
2. who is he playing with
3. how is he being used by the team (situations/ice time)
all things that I have no clue on. so trying to make any kind of comparesion would be foolish.

The site that posts their boxscores (flashscore.com) also keeps tabs on minutes and lines. He's been middle 6 in every boxscore I've checked and, seemingly, more LW than center. 14-16 minute range, which tracks with being middle 6 and getting some special teams time. Seems like he's on the 2nd PP unit. Not sure if he PKs, haven't seen anything to suggest he does. They're a high-ish scoring team in the KHL, but not like 80s Oilers-type scoring. They have a decent 1st line and solid middle-6 scoring.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Speaking of Michkov, it's gonna suck shit when that kid makes his way over and plays for Philly. That's gonna be the steal of the century at 7th overall or whatever.

 

[The Old Master]

The site that posts their boxscores (flashscore.com) also keeps tabs on minutes and lines. He's been middle 6 in every boxscore I've checked and, seemingly, more LW than center. 14-16 minute range, which tracks with being middle 6 and getting some special teams time. Seems like he's on the 2nd PP unit. Not sure if he PKs, haven't seen anything to suggest he does. They're a high-ish scoring team in the KHL, but not like 80s Oilers-type scoring. They have a decent 1st line and solid middle-6 scoring.

and how dose that match up with michkov and yurov?

 

[Le Magnifique 66]

Another couple of helpers last night for Yager. Up to 24pts in 16gp

 

[The Old Master]

Another couple of helpers last night for Yager. Up to 24pts in 16gp

strange, but i like seeing a's more than goals with this kid. i know he can pot them, but setting up others tells me he's still trying to be a better center. (by making others better)

 

[Caser]

The site that posts their boxscores (flashscore.com) also keeps tabs on minutes and lines. He's been middle 6 in every boxscore I've checked and, seemingly, more LW than center. 14-16 minute range, which tracks with being middle 6 and getting some special teams time. Seems like he's on the 2nd PP unit. Not sure if he PKs, haven't seen anything to suggest he does. They're a high-ish scoring team in the KHL, but not like 80s Oilers-type scoring. They have a decent 1st line and solid middle-6 scoring.

Just in case, KHL website tracks both the PP and PK icetime:

https://en.khl.ru/players/40905/

 

[The Old Master]

Just in case, KHL website tracks both the PP and PK icetime:

https://en.khl.ru/players/40905/

so how do you think our prospects are doing compared to the others that were picked higher than ours?

 

[Caser]

so how do you think our prospects are doing compared to the others that were picked higher than ours?

Not easy to answer that question, as I'm not sure who exactly do you want to compare with.

If talking about Ilyin he is obviously doing great and even though numbers might be better than how he is actually doing, it is still better to see your prospect producing rather than not producing.

Murashov is stuck in the MHL juniors, as due to his organization's specifics he will only get out of there if/when KHL roster's goalies will get injured. He is doing well in the MHL though and if Russia wouldn't be banned he would've made the World Juniors team.

Tankov seemed to be fully recovered from the neck injury and had a rather bright start of the season in the VHL and I thought that the call-up to the KHL would follow soon, but looks like he got injured and is now recovering... apparently injured his back, no idea what the timeline is here.

So I'd say these guys at least give some hope, which is pretty much what you'd want from the later round prospects, however the Penguins management likely don't agree with me, as Alex Khavanov is no longer employed by them as a Russian scout.

 

[Peat]

So I'd say these guys at least give some hope, which is pretty much what you'd want from the later round prospects, however the Penguins management likely don't agree with me, as Alex Khavanov is no longer employed by them as a Russian scout.

Huh. That's weird. Pretty strange to listen to the guy one month then sack him three months later with no obvious things going wrong.

Thanks for the feedback though.

 

[Jacob]

Not sure the circumstances but Murashov is up in the KHL. Assume injury and it’s only temporary. Only 1 start so far, stats don’t look good as he gave up 4 but they won 5-4 the other day.

Mayorov, another 04 goalie in the same Yaroslavl system who was ranked a lot higher than Murashov leading up to the draft but ended up going 1 round later, hasn’t had any call-ups.

 

[Gurglesons]

Another couple of helpers last night for Yager. Up to 24pts in 16gp

Kinda wild Firkus has 13 more points than him...

 

[CheckingLineCenter]

Kinda wild Firkus has 13 more points than him...

Yeah I’m not saying they’re bad but I’m not really impressed by his stats. The numbers aren’t anything more than solid, especially when you dig into ES scoring.

Matyechuk and Firkus definitely drive the bus. It’ll be interesting how he does next year.

To be fair you still gotta execute and he’s producing.

 

[lokomotiv15]

Yeah I’m not saying they’re bad but I’m not really impressed by his stats. The numbers aren’t anything more than solid, especially when you dig into ES scoring.

Matyechuk and Firkus definitely drive the bus. It’ll be interesting how he does next year.

To be fair you still gotta execute and he’s producing.

Yager's numbers look pretty good, even though they will be inflated a bit by playing with Mateychuk and Firkus; He's on pace for 10 points more over the same amount of games as Firkus had in his Draft+1 year. Firkus has played parts of 5 seasons in the WHL. Next year if Yager were to play in the W in his Draft+2 year, with some more size, speed, and strength, I'd hope he could flirt with 120-130 in a season as well.

He did have 10 in his first 5 before Mateychuk showed up, though, and has been actually scoring less since Firkus has really went off. In the first 9 games after Jager came back, he and Firkus both had 17 points. Since then, Firkus has went off with 20 in his next 9, vs Yager's 10. Admittedly, I dont watch many games so I dont know if its a case of he's not playing well and Firkus is dragging him through the mud where he's catching points, or if hes creating his own out there consistently. Like you said, though, Firkus definitely driving the bus in Moose Jaw.

 

[Gurglesons]

Yeah I’m not saying they’re bad but I’m not really impressed by his stats. The numbers aren’t anything more than solid, especially when you dig into ES scoring.

Matyechuk and Firkus definitely drive the bus. It’ll be interesting how he does next year.

To be fair you still gotta execute and he’s producing.

I mean Firkus is also a year older.

Let's see how it goes. I think Yager looks like a good pick so far.

 

[Jacob]

Haidt and Cristall are having really productive D+1 seasons too. I agree that Yager’s points are a good sign and encouraging but certainly not eye-popping.

Could see him being dealt to another WHL team next year, after Mateychuk and Firkus turn pro they’re not going to be very competitive. Even with them they’re barely above .500.

 

[Byron Bitz]

Owen Pickering with two points tonight

 

[Peat]

Broz now at 12 in 13. That's only 8th on his team so lets not get super excited but it is at least some sign he might still be alive.