Post-Game Talk: Pittsburgh Penguins at New York Rangers - October 17, 2017

[Machinehead]

I think, at the very least, what you saw tonight was the talent of the roster on display,and that we can be decent if we got some consistent coaching.

AV had a good scheme tonight. We were tough on zone entries and had good puck support. But we need that every night.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I motion that we make the The Redden, The Girardi

Why? Girardi gave a lot until he broke down.

 

[Machinehead]

Why? Girardi gave a lot until he broke down.

He sure did give a lot. Nightmares, ulcers, and unhealthy coping mechanisms.

 

[Crease]

The W-L-T column is a bunch of bull**** over small samples.

Not that we don't deserve a poor record, but we absolutely deserved a win tonight.

I can get behind advanced stats as a predictor but as far as rating past performance you are what your results were.

 

[Nickmo82]

Scores a goal, draws a few penalties = benched. AV's been doing this for a year now. He's criminally underutilizing Buchnevich. I feel horrible for the kid. His confidence must be shattered because of AV's misusage.

His confidence seems more fragile than a lot of players, based on just "eye-test" type observation. AV doesn't help at all. Probably didn't help Chytil either, getting a grand total of 12 minutes in his NHL career. If you're going to play kids, f***ing give them a chance. Especially if your trusty vets make enough mistakes as it is. Who's going to notice a few more.

AV's departure can't come soon enough.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

I motion that we make the The Redden, The Girardi

Funny you should mention that. I was thinking something similar with my edit. Someone so consistently, incomprehensibly awful that he has significantly submarined this entire franchise for years.

The Good
The Bad
The Vigneault

 

[ponytrekker]

How does Hayes-Vesey-Fast get the most ice time of all the forwards lol. And if Hayes and Fast are going to be on the shutdown line then we desperately need to upgrade on Vesey.

Same way Staal is on the ice last minute. AGAIN.

 

[Machinehead]

I can get behind advanced stats as a predictor but as far as rating past performance you are what your results were.

Not necessarily true.

If you have an expected goals above 4.00 and the other team had below 2.00, you deserved a better result.

 

[Crease]

Not necessarily true.

If you have an expected goals above 4.00 and the other team had below 2.00, you deserved a better result.

Is the goalie not part of the team?

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

Had more of an issue with Hank on the Hagelin goal than the tying. Getting beat short side on a 2-1 by Hagelin is a rough look.

He made up for it though, made some key saves.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

Hank the tank. Because he's all in on tanking for the top Dman in this draft.

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

His confidence seems more fragile than a lot of players, based on just "eye-test" type observation. AV doesn't help at all. Probably didn't help Chytil either, getting a grand total of 12 minutes in his NHL career. If you're going to play kids, ****ing give them a chance. Especially if your trusty vets make enough mistakes as it is. Who's going to notice a few more.

AV's departure can't come soon enough.

That could be. Buch does seem sensitive. He doesn't have the cocky arrogance that Ovechkin has, or the douchey entitlement syndrome that Alex Semin had.

And with no Russians on the team, Buch must feel even more alone. I mean we forget that he's just a kid. He's 22 in a new country where he doesn't speak the language and can't even speak it to anyone on the team (with the exception of Kreider's broken Russian). And meanwhile, he hasn't done anything wrong. Is he lighting it up? No, but he's playing well and doing what's expected of him. That's how he's been since he's gotten here.

AV is such a shit. I despise him and his nepotism He doesn't even seem to care anymore. I think he would re-sign if he knew that he would still be able to collect money.

 

[will1066]

Had more of an issue with Hank on the Hagelin goal than the tying. Getting beat short side on a 2-1 by Hagelin is a rough look.

He made up for it though, made some key saves.

That was a really good deke and shot he made. Changed the angle of his blade right before he released the shot. Mostly likely learned a thing or two about how to shoot the puck after moving to Pittsburgh.

 

[Machinehead]

Is the goalie not part of the team?

Well yeah, but goaltending can beat advanced stats even over huge samples. It's just a thing.

 

[Hi ImHFNYR]

So a few 5v5 ice-time stats:

Marc Staal got the third most ice-time of anyone...

Kevin Hayes got the most ice-time of any Forward

Buchnevich and Cracknell got 5 minutes and change each

Nash, Kreider, Zuccarello, Miller and Grabner didn't get much ice-time at all



But yes, let's keep AV around

To add to your point... everything else AV has done here with this team. (K I'm really crapping on AV. Anyone who sees most of my posts knows I hate AV as a coach but I admit I'm mostly just having a bit of a laugh right now finding ways to pile on)

 

[HatTrick Swayze]

That was a really good deke and shot he made. Changed the angle of his blade right before he released the shot. Mostly likely learned a thing or two about how to shoot the puck after moving to Pittsburgh.

I wouldn't call it a "deke" and it doesn't justify getting beat short side on a 2-on-1, thats cheating too much.

 

[TheTakedown]

Yeah, I hate AV as much as anyone but this isn't on him tonight. Just brain dead plays from some of the biggest guys on the team.

The lack of preparedness is completely on him. I don't care who you are, this is like the 5th game out or 7 that we've given up a goal in the first minute

 

[Crease]

Well yeah, but goaltending can beat advanced stats even over huge samples. It's just a thing.

That's not really a satisfying counterpoint though. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree. It's a minor point anyway.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

He sure did give a lot. Nightmares, ulcers, and unhealthy coping mechanisms.

I mean from the long period of time he played well before your predictions were more meme worthy than his decline in play.

 

[TheTakedown]

From 2013 to Present: Henrik Lundqvist has saved 54.27 goals above average. That is second best. Crawford No. 1 with 56.65.

Facts are fun.

Why you insist on using a 5 years sample when you know that Hank has declined at a much steeper rate the last 2 years is beyond me

 

[will1066]

I don't get the early goals against being attributed to lack of preparedness. Is AV explicitly telling them not to go out hard? Is he telling them to take it easy the first few minutes? If we score the early goals, does it mean a lack of preparedness by the other team? They're all human, they will come out flat for some reason or another. But I don't buy the lack of preparedness argument. Why not just call bad plays what they are regardless of what's on the clock when they happen?

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

The lack of preparedness is completely on him. I don't care who you are, this is like the 5th game out or 7 that we've given up a goal in the first minute

This might sound a bit farfetched and unrealistic and well, maybe even stupid, but I don't think he cares. I get the sense that AV never wanted be the HC of the Rangers (he never seemed enthusiastic about it) and this year, he seems laissez-faire about coaching.

I don't know, I can't imagine a coach being so resigned but I really get the impression that AV just doesn't give a crap anymore...or maybe he never did. Either way, he needs to be gone by Thursday's game.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I don't get the early goals against being attributed to lack of preparedness. Is AV explicitly telling them not to go out hard? Is he telling them to take it easy the first few minutes? If we score the early goals, does it mean a lack of preparedness by the other team? They're all human, they will come out flat for some reason or another. But I don't buy the lack of preparedness argument. Why not just call bad plays what they are regardless of what's on the clock when they happen?

The Penguins score a lot a defend poorly. The game ended 5-4 in OT. I get it the team isn't doing well, but the score matches the team comps.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

This might sound a bit farfetched and unrealistic and well, maybe even stupid, but I don't think he cares. I get the sense that AV never wanted be the HC of the Rangers (he never seemed enthusiastic about it) and this year, he seems laissez-faire about coaching.

I don't know, I can't imagine a coach being so resigned but I really get the impression that AV just doesn't give a crap anymore...or maybe he never did. Either way, he needs to be gone by Thursday's game.

OMG!

 

[LiveLongandProspal]

OMG!

I'm so in love, I found you finally?