Post-Game Talk: Pittsburgh Penguins at New York Rangers - March 14

[The Crypto Guy]

Yay for the 11th pick overall.

We can't even tank correctly.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Keep Kreider.

Trade Zucc.

Keep Kreider

Keep Zucc

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I don't think he necessarily has to take his spot in the sense that it's a demotion.

Buch and Names look excellent together.

If we hire a coach with a brain, those lines could split time fairly evenly and Buch would still get 1st unit PP time.

I feel like people want those two to play together because they are Russian. Namestnikov looks bad at center, as well. He's much better suited for wing, although its kind of forced because we only have two centers. I'm also not really sure they play so well together. Have they combined for one good play so far? Tip on a PP, but otherwise, I've not seen anything. Those two, especially Buchnevich, shouldn't have to play on a line with Vesey who completely stifles their games. Look at what he did today whiffing on a wide open feed in front. You don't put your best players with plugs on the third line, and a grinder in their place on the first line.

Fast has proven he doesn't belong in the top 6. This discussion comes up like every few weeks AV decides to put him there over a better offensive player. He's a good hockey player, but its always the same result. He holds the line back because he's just a complimentary player, and adds nothing other than grit to the line when facing off against top competition.

Why are we like the only team in the league that tries to balance the lines and ice time? How about we play our best players with our other best players and play them the most? Instead, AV tries to even up all the ice time, and tries insane combinations. Then people wonder why we don't have any 60 point forwards. Maybe because they play like 5 months less than they should. Vince Trocheck is the #2 center on Florida and he plays over 21 minutes per game. Our #2 center plays over 4 minutes less per game.

 

[chosen]

This narrative is beyond stupid. Buffalo and Arizona have nothing in common with the Rangers as franchises.

True.

I don't believe Buffalo and Arizona have ever gone 54 years without a Cup.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

This team is never going to be bad enough to get to draft the players they need to turn this team around. And that sucks.

Because despite all the doom and gloom this is a well run organization.

Well need to get the Devils and Flyers and Jets lottery luck

 

[nevesis]

Not this crap again.

He visibly shrugged the net off. He didn't crash into it and knock it off. he crashed into it THEN purposely shrugged it. You played G. Great. You also have a MASSIVE bias as a result and frequently cannot analyze what is happening on the ice as a result. That is happening here.

You don’t have a clue. It’s ok!

 

[bl02]

True.

I don't believe Buffalo and Arizona have ever gone 54 years without a Cup.

I will be willing to put up my house that the Sabres won't win the cup in 54 years as well. well unless they get Dahlin but i would still say it would be 80/20 they don't win a cup by 2024. lol

 

[Machinehead]

I feel like people want those two to play together because they are Russian. Namestnikov looks bad at center, as well. He's much better suited for wing, although its kind of forced because we only have two centers. I'm also not really sure they play so well together. Have they combined for one good play so far? Tip on a PP, but otherwise, I've not seen anything. Those two, especially Buchnevich, shouldn't have to play on a line with Vesey who completely stifles their games. Look at what he did today whiffing on a wide open feed in front. You don't put your best players with plugs on the third line, and a grinder in their place on the first line.

Fast has proven he doesn't belong in the top 6. This discussion comes up like every few weeks AV decides to put him there over a better offensive player. He's a good hockey player, but its always the same result. He holds the line back because he's just a complimentary player, and adds nothing other than grit to the line when facing off against top competition.

It doesn't have to be Namestnikov. Or it could be Namestnikov at LW with a different center. We can find something that works for Buchnevich. They're both play-drivers, so I don't see why he and Kreider have to be attached. And again, any coach with a brain will work this so that Buchnevich gets more ice time than he gets under AV, which isn't even saying much, so I wouldn't worry. It's not like he'll lose ice time, that's not even possible at this point.

Kreider and Fast together have a 57% CF. They have 60% of the goals an 67% of the scoring chances. It's magic. Frankly, Kreider-Buchnevich isn't as good as Kreider-Fast. I'm not sure how you can say Fast has "proven" he doesn't belong there when he hasn't been in the top 6 over any significant samples, and his small samples in the top 6 have been utter domination.

 

[Lays]

It doesn't have to be Namestnikov. Or it could be Namestnikov at LW with a different center. We can find something that works for Buchnevich. They're both play-drivers, so I don't see why he and Kreider have to be attached. And again, any coach with a brain will work this so that Buchnevich gets more ice time than he gets under AV, which isn't even saying much, so I wouldn't worry. It's not like he'll lose ice time, that's not even possible at this point.

Kreider and Fast together have a 57% CF. They have 60% of the goals an 67% of the scoring chances. It's magic. Frankly, Kreider-Buchnevich isn't as good as Kreider-Fast. I'm not sure how you can say Fast has "proven" he doesn't belong there when he hasn't been in the top 6 over any significant samples, and his small samples in the top 6 have been utter domination.

Helps spread out the offense as well which is a huge bonus but let’s remember, this is the start of KZF, KZB started out scorching hot as well and look where that ended up

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

It doesn't have to be Namestnikov. Or it could be Namestnikov at LW with a different center. We can find something that works for Buchnevich. They're both play-drivers, so I don't see why he and Kreider have to be attached. And again, any coach with a brain will work this so that Buchnevich gets more ice time than he gets under AV, which isn't even saying much, so I wouldn't worry. It's not like he'll lose ice time, that's not even possible at this point.

Kreider and Fast together have a 57% CF. They have 60% of the goals an 67% of the scoring chances. It's magic. Frankly, Kreider-Buchnevich isn't as good as Kreider-Fast. I'm not sure how you can say Fast has "proven" he doesn't belong there when he hasn't been in the top 6 over any significant samples, and his small samples in the top 6 have been utter domination.

So if Fast is a top 6 player, why haven't you been saying so for years?

You are overreacting to SSS corsi. Fast is on pace for like 30 points, he plays 15 minutes per game, so its not like he barely plays either. He does not belong in the top 6, and should not be demoting our most productive scoring forward to the 3rd line to play with plugs like Vesey.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

I feel like people want those two to play together because they are Russian. Namestnikov looks bad at center, as well. He's much better suited for wing, although its kind of forced because we only have two centers. I'm also not really sure they play so well together. Have they combined for one good play so far? Tip on a PP, but otherwise, I've not seen anything. Those two, especially Buchnevich, shouldn't have to play on a line with Vesey who completely stifles their games. Look at what he did today whiffing on a wide open feed in front. You don't put your best players with plugs on the third line, and a grinder in their place on the first line.

Fast has proven he doesn't belong in the top 6. This discussion comes up like every few weeks AV decides to put him there over a better offensive player. He's a good hockey player, but its always the same result. He holds the line back because he's just a complimentary player, and adds nothing other than grit to the line when facing off against top competition.

Why are we like the only team in the league that tries to balance the lines and ice time? How about we play our best players with our other best players and play them the most? Instead, AV tries to even up all the ice time, and tries insane combinations. Then people wonder why we don't have any 60 point forwards. Maybe because they play like 5 months less than they should. Vince Trocheck is the #2 center on Florida and he plays over 21 minutes per game. Our #2 center plays over 4 minutes less per game.

How was it meeting your idol tonight ?

 

[Rangerfans]

Anyone who says Georgie intentionally removed the goal is incorrect. If you watch the replay, you can see hug the post, and the post comes unhinge on the far side first. That forced the removal of the near post, it was not intentional.

 

[TheDirtyH]

Helps spread out the offense as well which is a huge bonus but let’s remember, this is the start of KZF, KZB started out scorching hot as well and look where that ended up

they controlled play, but they weren't scoring.

my conclusion is that they're both excellent combos. but if you can boost another line with a player of buchnevich's caliber, you should. not many good teams stack their top lines.

 

[Rangerfans]

So if Fast is a top 6 player, why haven't you been saying so for years?

You are overreacting to SSS corsi. Fast is on pace for like 30 points, he plays 15 minutes per game, so its not like he barely plays either. He does not belong in the top 6, and should not be demoting our most productive scoring forward to the 3rd line to play with plugs like Vesey.

Your hatred for Vesey is uncalled for. Kid played phenomenal last game. Buchnevich - like it or not - disappears. I am not saying Buch doesn't have more skill nor doesn't have offensive weapons. But his board play, and inability to use the body forces him to disappear. Yes, AV needs to play him more, but sometimes I have no problem with his lack of playing.

 

[Machinehead]

So if Fast is a top 6 player, why haven't you been saying so for years?

You are overreacting to SSS corsi. Fast is on pace for like 30 points, he plays 15 minutes per game, so its not like he barely plays either. He does not belong in the top 6, and should not be demoting our most productive scoring forward to the 3rd line to play with plugs like Vesey.

I have been advocating for Fast to get more ice time. He's always been an efficient scorer.

He averages 13:50 a game as a Ranger and exactly zero of that is PP, and yet you're making it out as if he's been handed opportunities before.

 

[Machinehead]

Helps spread out the offense as well which is a huge bonus but let’s remember, this is the start of KZF, KZB started out scorching hot as well and look where that ended up

True but the last time Fast and Kreider were together was the 2015 playoffs.

That line beat Washington by themselves.

 

[Machinehead]

How was it meeting your idol tonight ?

Not now. The grown-ups are talking.

 

[Doctyl]

Yay for the 11th pick overall.

We can't even tank correctly.

Just remember this is our tanking and we still can’t be as bad as the isles trying to convince JT that they’re a contender

 

[Doctyl]

Your hatred for Vesey is uncalled for. Kid played phenomenal last game. Buchnevich - like it or not - disappears. I am not saying Buch doesn't have more skill nor doesn't have offensive weapons. But his board play, and inability to use the body forces him to disappear. Yes, AV needs to play him more, but sometimes I have no problem with his lack of playing.

Buch disappears because AV doesn’t play him.

Vesey’s physical game is nothing to write home about

 

[Machinehead]

Just remember this is our tanking and we still can’t be as bad as the isles trying to convince JT that they’re a contender

Because our forward group is f***ing great, and we traded Nash and Miller, and they're still f***ing great.

People crave the elite talent but he haven't needed it. If we get it, holy shit, but we need more help on defense.

 

[Machinehead]

Buch disappears because AV doesn’t play him.

Vesey’s physical game is nothing to write home about

Vesey's physical game is American and we're comparing him to a Russian.

I can't remember the last time Vesey hit somebody but next to Buchnevich he's apparently Milan Lucic.

 

[Doctyl]

Because our forward group is ****ing great, and we traded Nash and Miller, and they're still ****ing great.

People crave the elite talent but he haven't needed it. If we get it, holy ****, but we need more help on defense.

Draft Dahlin, sign JTSavior91 and EK. Cup.

 

[ReggieDunlop68]

Your hatred for Vesey is uncalled for. Kid played phenomenal last game. Buchnevich - like it or not - disappears. I am not saying Buch doesn't have more skill nor doesn't have offensive weapons. But his board play, and inability to use the body forces him to disappear. Yes, AV needs to play him more, but sometimes I have no problem with his lack of playing.

AV’s Russian bias...

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I have been advocating for Fast to get more ice time. He's always been an efficient scorer.

He averages 13:50 a game as a Ranger and exactly zero of that is PP, and yet you're making it out as if he's been handed opportunities before.

I'm in agreement that he deserves more ice time than the average 4th liner. He's a good hockey player, and I think 15 minutes is about appropriate. I could even understand 3rd line if we were in a situation like the current one where we have other non-top 9 forwards in our top 9. Don't think he'd add anything to the PP. Grabner had a lot of goals with the Rangers, doesn't mean he'd help the PP. Desharnais for example is a worse hockey player than Fast, but a better PP player. He has a better skill-set for that situation than Fast.

I don't agree with the current lines. I think it is counterproductive to trying to win hockey games. Normally, I'd think its a big deal when AV does something like this, but when I saw the lines, my initial reaction was that it helps the tank, so its not that big of a deal, but it is dumb if you are trying to win games that Fast would be taking Buchnevich's spot. And then Fast gets minutes in OT over Buchnevich probably because AV thinks he's onto something with Fast on the first line. Dumb.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Your hatred for Vesey is uncalled for. Kid played phenomenal last game. Buchnevich - like it or not - disappears. I am not saying Buch doesn't have more skill nor doesn't have offensive weapons. But his board play, and inability to use the body forces him to disappear. Yes, AV needs to play him more, but sometimes I have no problem with his lack of playing.

I don't hate Vesey. What reason would I have to hate the guy?

I don't think he's a good hockey player. He skates well, and he finishes well near the net, but when you suck at everything else, thats not enough, unless you are the best in the league in those two areas, which he's not. He's like a 13th forward, and I don't think a mid 20's, maybe high 20's point season getting improved ice time and PP time really changes my stance.