Post-Game Talk: Pittsburgh Penguins at New York Rangers |Game 4| 5/7/2014

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I don't think expecting superstar play out of a superstar player is "impossible expectations."

Your badgering and whining on the subject have proven that your expectations of a superstar are out of whack, as is your demand for it every single game.

Aren't Nash and St. Louis supposed to be superstars? They've been about 100 times worse than Lundqvist. Yet, you admonished the fans for booing those two bums.
 
I would be more interested in worrying about the goals that Hank gave up if we had applied any sustained offensive pressure all game. Hank could've had the best game of his life, but we still wouldn't have won this one.

Hank having the best game of his life wins this game- we scored twice.

I mean, I know it's hyperbole, but Henrik could have won this for us. It wasn't like the last two.
 
Okay.

I've been down on Lundqvist as much as anyone this season, but he's far from the reason they're getting beat.

Question. Would you trade Lundqvist to Washington for Ovechkin?

I wouldn't.

I WOULD trade Nash, Stepan and a prospect for Ovechkin.

Although the Capitals would never move a perennial 50-goal scorer for that.

Realistically, you'd need to give up a big assets to acquire Ovechkin. Nash/Stepan by themselves wouldn't get it done.

I wouldn't trade Lundqvist for Ovechkin straight up. Although I think they're both equally valuable to their respective teams.
 
Your badgering and whining on the subject have proven that your expectations of a superstar are out of whack, as is your demand for it every single game.

Once again you claim something flat out untrue as a fact. You need to stop doing this since it's sort of embarrassing at this point. Surprising that you haven't learned.

Aren't Nash and St. Louis supposed to be superstars? They've been about 100 times worse than Lundqvist. Yet, you admonished the fans for booing those two bums.

You're right. I did admonish the fans for booing them. I'd of done the same had they booed Lundqvist. Your point being?
 
James Dolan was in Pittsburgh after game 1 wearing the top hat and was with the team after their win

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http://snyrangersblog.com/coachesgm/james-dolan/note-james-dolan-was-in-pittsburgh-last-night/

Lets just say its been down the drain since he showed up in Pitt
 
Hank having the best game of his life wins this game- we scored twice.

I mean, I know it's hyperbole, but Henrik could have won this for us. It wasn't like the last two.

There isn't that much hyperbole there. Those goals were scored when the Penguins were winning. You can't just say they would've scored the same two goals if the score was 0-0 for a more extended period of time.
 
What a ****ing load of horse ****, look at where our goals against and goals for rank compared to other playoff teams. He essentially stole Game 2 for the team, and I say essentially, as you cannot steal a game in which you don't SCORE. All the while, save after save, watching the rest of the turkey gaggle "run" the power play, and pray for goals, like they'd been ****ing lobotomized during the national anthem.

Bull. Spit.
 
There isn't that much hyperbole there. Those goals were scored when the Penguins were winning. You can't just say they would've scored the same two goals if the score was 0-0 for a more extended period of time.

If that's the logic then you can't say anything about the hypotheticals of the game. I think it's kind of silly to say that if Lundqvist played like he did that game against Vancouver where he had a 59 save shut out the Rangers wouldn't win.
 
The last 3 games are not on Henrik. They are on the apparently gutless bunch of highly paid so-called "stars" named Nash, St. Louis, Stepan and Richards. No shows for 3 games straight.
 
i would have agreed for games 2 and 3, but they had a day off. plenty of time to recooperate and come out flying tonight. apparently they did not. Tired, is not an excuse in tonights game.

Yeah, it is. The one day was nowhere near enough time. If anything, the one day makes it worse, especially if they gave up the first goal after having a few chances to go up early.

The analogy is put in three straight 12 hour days to start the week, then work a normal day Thursday, you drag worse on Friday.
 
If that's the logic then you can't say anything about the hypotheticals of the game. I think it's kind of silly to say that if Lundqvist played like he did that game against Vancouver where he had a 59 save shut out the Rangers wouldn't win.

Considering this game featured literally one of the worst team performances I have ever seen, it's not that silly.
 
If that's the logic then you can't say anything about the hypotheticals of the game. I think it's kind of silly to say that if Lundqvist played like he did that game against Vancouver where he had a 59 save shut out the Rangers wouldn't win.

You misunderstand. Lundqvist can play his best possible game, but right now, he won't end up with a shutout.
 
Once again you claim something flat out untrue as a fact. You need to stop doing this since it's sort of embarrassing at this point. Surprising that you haven't learned.



You're right. I did admonish the fans for booing them. I'd of done the same had they booed Lundqvist. Your point being?

You come on here after nearly every loss and lambaste one of the best players this franchise has ever had for all sorts of goals - some questionable, some not, not many of them truly soft. All while most of the 18 guys in front of him play like a steaming pile of *******.

Dont get me wrong, its not like I have super high expectations, but I expect that sort of constant badgering from someone much stupider than you.
 
You misunderstand. Lundqvist can play his best possible game, but right now, he won't end up with a shutout.

That I can kind of accept, but I honestly think you're underestimating Lundqvist. At his tippy top, I think he would have put up a zero tonight.
 
You come on here after nearly every loss and lambaste one of the best players this franchise has ever had for all sorts of goals - some questionable, some not, not many of them truly soft. All while most of the 18 guys in front of them play like a steaming pile of *******.

Dont get me wrong, its not like I have super high expectations, but I expect that sort of constant badgering from someone much stupider than you.

Actually, I lambasted everyone. I didn't single anyone out. How many times do I need to say it's a team loss for it to get through your head? Are you just that much of a selective reader that you "latch" onto these arguments? He sucked tonight. The team sucked tonight. He's part of the team. Every single player save Brian ****ing Boyle sucked (and, like I said, maybe Hagelin didn't suck that much).

Why don't you save this anger for people that really do solely blame him for the loss or something absurd like that? You do get that he's talked about a lot on here because the white knighters argue just as much, right? It goes both ways.
 
I simply don't understand the breakdown in the team's puck handling skills. Literally NOTHING is moving fast enough when the team has the puck. Passes aren't clean. If they're slightly off, the play fails completely. Tons of offsides. Tons of icings. Turnovers everywhere. For what this team's strengths are, it just makes no sense. None at all.

A couple of weeks before the playoffs started I stated that for a team to make it far in the playoffs, several intangibles need to come together at the right time.

One of those intangibles was to catch a hot streak. In a hot streak, a team is unusually uncanny at finding open men, making the right plays, being opportunistic, capitalizing, etc.

The Rangers have hit a cold streak. The best thing to do when you hit a cold streak is rest and replenish and enter the next game with as open of a mind as you can. Sometimes a fresh start is all you need. The schedule doesn't allow the Rangers to do that.

There is one more way for a team to get out of a cold streak on such short notice. The other team needs to give up momentum. I understand Fleury has limited us to under a 1 GA in the last 3 games, but if there's anyone that can give up loads of momentum up to another team, it is him.

Chances are slim. We are likely out. But those are the two ways to snap out of a cold streak (which encompasses frustration, sluggish playing, poor decision making, and overall incompetence) and the second one is not necessarily the most outlandish.

That being said. I'm even pessimistic about our outlook. It's not that I don't think we have a shot. It's that several of our players are in unexplainable funks that I don't think 2 days rest or even some luck momentum will snap them out of.

McDonagh, Girardi, Richards, Nash, MSL, Brassard, and Stepan are all simultaneously in a giant slump. Consequently, those are our best and most important players, too.

McDonagh is most likely playing through a shoulder injury. I don't think he's comfortable playing through the injury (not that anyone ever would be) but I think his discomfort is great enough for it to impede his decision making and focus (which are leading to the blatant footwork mistakes and giveaways).

Girardi is feeding off of that. He's slow to the loose puck and he's making some terrible decisions himself.

Richards should be bought out. Maybe he figures it out for another team but it's not working for this one. He's slow and what he thinks are "good shots" are actually pretty horrendous considering the time and the location he takes them from.

Nash is hot and cold. He's played 4 games (tops) with engagement and passion. That's 4 out of 11. Unacceptable. I don't care that he has the most shot attempts in the league this playoffs. Most of them haven't been the most quality. And when he gets quality chances, he can't find his spots. Call it what you want, he's not doing his job, and I can't see him scoring 11 goals in the next 3 to keep us in the playoffs.

What happened to MSL? Not like himself at all. He's not as fast as he was earlier in the season. Not shooting it as often. He doesn't even want to hold onto the puck for more than 2-3 seconds. Leads me to believe he is also injured. I've watched him for several years and this isn't the game he plays at all. This wasn't the game he was playing when he got here either - or even in the first half of the first round.

Brassard is hitting a rut right when we need him the most. He does this throughout the season. Disappearing act, then incredible hot streak, back down to disappearing act. He's hitting it at the exact wrong time.

Finally, Stepan. He's horrendous on face-offs. Can't shoot like he normally would. Can't skate like we're used to seeing him skate.

Doesn't look promising for the Rangers. Henrik has played so well this round too. As opposed to the last round where he was letting in some real head scratchers. I think he's been the backbone of the team this round, and the fact that they've even been in these games is a testament to his unbelievable ability. This is the level I think we all envision him playing on a consistent basis in the playoffs. If only every other player could reach this level, too.
 
Yeah, it is. The one day was nowhere near enough time. If anything, the one day makes it worse, especially if they gave up the first goal after having a few chances to go up early.

The analogy is put in three straight 12 hour days to start the week, then work a normal day Thursday, you drag worse on Friday.

its the playoffs and every other team has to deal with a quick turn around as well. Man up or go home.
 
One thing about being a Jets fan, on the Jets post game they aren't afraid to completely roast the team when they suck. I hate how MSG sugar coats it so much.
 
I really looked up on the rangers coming into these playoffs...

- the 4th line had the most energy by a very slim margin

- Power play is still not working ... big no no.

- Players look exhausted... too much "one guy trying to take over the game" instead of playing like a team

- EVERYONE is afraid to shoot.. this is the biggest problem

- Lastly, everyone looks like they are playing Torts hockey. not coincidentally, the ones that don't are the ones that were never coached by him

- MSL's confidence has been shattered... it's gone, completely. he looks awful

- McD should have been sat for everything after game 1... he looks destroyed, and quite frankly he should have just gotten surgery...

- Nash needs to SERIOUSLY be considered by this organization to see if he has a future here... Because if he doesn't and he doesn't want to be here, then we need to look into moving him... I'm not sure if it's injury, or coaching, or just laziness on his part (I presume this to be honest), but he looks like he's doing aaaaalllllmmooostt enough, but never actually doing it... it's like the guy that keeps getting passed up for a promotion because there's always another one better than him

- NO OFFENSE FROM THE BLUELINE and not enough center depth is really the problem here... everything else is better than average, but those two things are killing us. Follow that up with our LW being incredibly weak (Poo and Kreider are OK, but the former is a 3rd liner, forcing Hagelin to be a 2nd liner, killing offense on that line regardless of the speed and puck retrieval ability of Hags)
 
A couple of weeks before the playoffs started I stated that for a team to make it far in the playoffs, several intangibles need to come together at the right time.

One of those intangibles was to catch a hot streak. In a hot streak, a team is unusually uncanny at finding open men, making the right plays, being opportunistic, capitalizing, etc.

The Rangers have hit a cold streak. The best thing to do when you hit a cold streak is rest and replenish and enter the next game with as open of a mind as you can. Sometimes a fresh start is all you need. The schedule doesn't allow the Rangers to do that.

This remains true for every team. The Kings from two years back are perhaps the most extreme example in the positive direction, but it's also one of the reasons why the Penguins haven't been able to get back to the SCF recently. They have had a habit of peaking in the last two months of the regular season, then finding the other end of that once the playoffs start.

The Rangers were pretty hot post-Olympic break, minus one 10-day hiccup. Is that what happened here? Did they peak too early?
 
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