Proposal: Pitt - LA

[Gurglesons]

What else is Pitt adding?

Nothing. See my previous post.

Honestly, I know they are rumored to move Zucker, but I highly doubt they want to pay to move him.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

And the NYI had to move Nick Leddy, who makes $5.5 million a year, and they got a bottom-6 winger and a 2nd for him.

You've already thrown out any shred of credibility you may have had by comparing Zucker to Ladd, so I don't even know why you're in this thread at this point.

I see that you're too inept to realize that I'm comparing contract values, and you keep ignoring the other example.

Shayne Gostisbehere, who plays a more pivotal role, produced better numbers, has a lower cap hit, is owed far less in real dollars, and is two years younger than Zucker, and the Flyers had to send assets to Arizona to get rid of his $4.5M cap hit.

 

[Gurglesons]

I see that you're too inept to realize that I'm comparing contract values, and you keep ignoring the other example.

Shayne Gostisbehere, who plays a more pivotal role, produced better numbers, has a lower cap hit, is owed far less in real dollars, and is two years younger than Zucker, and the Flyers had to send assets to Arizona to get rid of his $4.5M cap hit.

But the Penguins have no reason to move Zucker. You are comparing a team that had no cap flexibility to a team that has a full roster signed today.

I also think comparing the situations is disingenuous. Philly was the worst defensive team in the league last year so they wanted to do major surgery to that aspect. PIT was the 2nd best offensive team in the league last year. They’d like to get bigger but it isn’t something they are going to lose value to do.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Gostisbehere is an even strength liability that can't play defense and only has value to a team on the powerplay. That's why Philly had to pay to get rid of him, because he's a PP specialist and that's it.

Zucker is substantially more in line with Arvidsson, Leddy, Stepan and Stastny, who are "expensive players who are underperforming but still have value", than guys like Staal, Ladd and Gostisbehere, who are just "they suck and are expensive". I mean Christ, the Penguins didn't even pay to get out of Bjugstad's deal and Bjugstad was way worse than Zucker.

 

[TooManyHumans]

Yeah, the Penguins are not paying to get rid of Zucker. They would absolutely rather keep him, especially since they already cleared the cap they needed to clear by letting two other forwards go. As others have said he's a useful player who is simply overpaid a bit. He isn't hurting the Penguins by being on the roster.

 

[Kingspiracy]

Yeah, the Penguins are not paying to get rid of Zucker. They would absolutely rather keep him, especially since they already cleared the cap they needed to clear by letting two other forwards go. As others have said he's a useful player who is simply overpaid a bit. He isn't hurting the Penguins by being on the roster.

It seems like a redundant thread then, we dont really want him and you dont really want to trade him.

Keep him, then everyones happy.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Yeah, the Penguins are not paying to get rid of Zucker. They would absolutely rather keep him, especially since they already cleared the cap they needed to clear by letting two other forwards go. As others have said he's a useful player who is simply overpaid a bit. He isn't hurting the Penguins by being on the roster.

Yeah, the idea that the Penguins would pay to move Zucker is downright nonsensical. If that was truly Zucker's value and no one would take him without the Penguins adding something, why wouldn't the Penguins just hold onto him for next year and see if he can recover some of his value? They don't need his $5.5 million in cap space this year, they'll just need it if they decide to re-sign Rust next year.

The Penguins already have no assets and Hextall came in with the mandate to balance winning now while retaining young assets. Trading picks to get out of Zucker's deal, when in reality Zucker is still a fine player, goes against both of those.

 

[King'sPawn]

2nd is too much in my view. Arvidsson is younger and has been a bit more productive over a more consistent period of time and has a lower cap hit.

I'd go for a 4th or a B-tier prospect, like Aidan Dudas.

I won't say Zucker has negative value, but if you want to compare him to what the Kings traded for RV, there are enough differences to recognize why the price is a bit too high.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Its a shame to see someone with a Bowie-related user name post as if he is more than a hand short of a full deck.

Disappointed.

It’s also a shame that we can go back and find posts from your past where you admit what little value a player like Zucker has due to his contract.
Salary Cap: - Pittsburgh Penguins Salary Cap Thread - Sign Beau Bennett

Just about every sensible Pens fan that isn’t a being a homer in that discussion accepts the fact that Zucker’s contract is a hindrance.

So, who is being disingenuous here, mister hand short of a full deck?

 

[Empoleon8771]

2nd is too much in my view. Arvidsson is younger and has been a bit more productive over a more consistent period of time and has a lower cap hit.

I'd go for a 4th or a B-tier prospect, like Aidan Dudas.

I won't say Zucker has negative value, but if you want to compare him to what the Kings traded for RV, there are enough differences to recognize why the price is a bit too high.

The cap hit comment is fair, but Arvidsson and Zucker have basically equal production over the last few years. The big difference in my eyes is that Arvidsson was able to have multiple 60+ point seasons while Zucker only had 1, but Arvidsson hasn't been outproducing Zucker in the last few years.

I don't think your valuation is unfair, just a small comment I wanted to make.

 

[Gurglesons]

2nd is too much in my view. Arvidsson is younger and has been a bit more productive over a more consistent period of time and has a lower cap hit.

I'd go for a 4th or a B-tier prospect, like Aidan Dudas.

I won't say Zucker has negative value, but if you want to compare him to what the Kings traded for RV, there are enough differences to recognize why the price is a bit too high.

Arvidsson has been more productive last season.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I also find it hilarious that someone seriously dug through another poster's comment history to as a "gotcha" attempt, when that comment didn't even agree with the nonsense that they were pushing in the thread to begin with

Literally every single Penguins fan realizes that Zucker makes too much money. Most Penguins fans think his value is fairly modest (at most a 2nd, at minimum a 5th) unless they're taking back money. That's a hell of a lot different than "Zucker is basically the same as Andrew Ladd".

Look at the Paul Stastny trade from a year ago, it was a 4th and Dahlstrom for Stastny with 1 year at $6.5 million left. That's pretty reasonable for a worst case scenario trade with Zucker, and if the Penguins are willing to take some cap back, they'll likely get more.

 

[DearDiary]

From Rob Rossi:


Pens fans offended by the thought of having to send an asset with Zucker to remove his cap hit are in denial. I guess we'll see in due time what ends up happening with him, but describing that contract as problematic doesn't sound like an asset, does it?

Did you just ignore every word after the word problematic? I'm struggling to understand your reasoning why Zucker requires a 1st to move him

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Did you just ignore every word after the word problematic? I'm struggling to understand your reasoning why Zucker requires a 1st to move him

Where did I suggest it would cost a first? And what am I missing when the contracts were described as problematic? Hextall is trying to lock up impending UFAs who hold more value, and they are also trying to make an upgrade in net.

If you guys think Zucker is still a positive asset, good luck with that.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Did you just ignore every word after the word problematic? I'm struggling to understand your reasoning why Zucker requires a 1st to move him

That guy isn't worth wasting your time with. Everything he says is just a load of nonsense. The dude calls others inept while he had the reading comprehension of a roadkill squirrel.

The only thing I don't understand is why this is what hill he's deciding to die on.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

That guy isn't worth wasting your time with. Everything he says is just a load of nonsense. The dude calls others inept while he had the reading comprehension of a roadkill squirrel.

The only thing I don't understand is why this is what hill he's deciding to die on.

Says the guy who fails to grasp the concept of comparing contract values and real dollars. I guess I shouldn’t pick on obtuse fans who get easily offended when interjecting with a reality check concerning Zucker’s contract value, who you even admitted is an overpaid player.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Says the guy who fails to grasp the concept of comparing contract values and real dollars. I guess I shouldn’t pick on obtuse fans who get easily offended when interjecting with a reality check concerning Zucker’s contract value.

Lol literally everything you spewed in this thread was grade A bullshit. Your "reality check" was exposing yourself to being clueless and spewing bullshit.

But yes, Jason Zucker is literally Andrew Ladd and the second half of "their contracts are problematic because they want to have money available to re-sign their key pieces" doesn't exist. You're so smart and we're all in awe of the amazing contributions you've made in this thread.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Lol literally everything you spewed in this thread was grade A bullshit. Your "reality check" was exposing yourself to being clueless and spewing bullshit.

But yes, Jason Zucker is literally Andrew Ladd and Rob Rossi saying "their contracts are problematic because they want to have money available to re-sign their key pieces" means that their contracts are problems. You're so smart and we're all in awe of the amazing contributions you've made in this thread.

Thank you. I appreciate the compliment.

 

[FSL KINGS]

What are Pens looking to do in a Zucker trade?
Cut cap by not taking anything back? AZ has established that they will take a 2nd for that.

Are the Pens looking for a cap swap like Voracek for Atkinson?

If the Pens retained salary & sold to a contender, getting a 2nd back would be reasonable.

We are 3 days from UFA day & the Kings can sign someone that fits better with the teams timeline.

 

[66-30-33]

I also find it hilarious that someone seriously dug through another poster's comment history to as a "gotcha" attempt, when that comment didn't even agree with the nonsense that they were pushing in the thread to begin with

Literally every single Penguins fan realizes that Zucker makes too much money. Most Penguins fans think his value is fairly modest (at most a 2nd, at minimum a 5th) unless they're taking back money. That's a hell of a lot different than "Zucker is basically the same as Andrew Ladd".

Look at the Paul Stastny trade from a year ago, it was a 4th and Dahlstrom for Stastny with 1 year at $6.5 million left. That's pretty reasonable for a worst case scenario trade with Zucker, and if the Penguins are willing to take some cap back, they'll likely get more.

I don't care if LA fans don't want Zucker who got a little overpaid because his best year (line with Granlund and Koivu), my only beef is that guy who said Pens would have to add a 1st with Zucker to get a 7th LMFAO!!!! then goes on to say Zucker does not fit LA's age range when they literally just picked up a guy a year younger. Zucker would be worth what Arvidsson fetched if he had a similar cap hit no doubt. I am sure some team would like Zucker, just not sure if it would be LA unless we take back a 2M contract for a year or 2 max or if a 3rd team eats 1-2M for a free pick.

 

[Empoleon8771]

What are Pens looking to do in a Zucker trade?
Cut cap by not taking anything back? AZ has established that they will take a 2nd for that.

Are the Pens looking for a cap swap like Voracek for Atkinson?

If the Pens retained salary & sold to a contender, getting a 2nd back would be reasonable.

We are 3 days from UFA day & the Kings can sign someone that fits better with the teams timeline.

If you want to believe what Rob Rossi said, it's a factor of wanting to save money for a Rust and Letang extension for next off-season. With that in mind, I think they'd either want to do a money for money swap with someone who has an expiring contract after next year or get a worse player with some future assets. Zucker for Domi seems like a good example of what they could be targeting.

But at the same point, I don't exactly understand why they want to move Zucker in the first place. Pettersson makes sense, he's super redundant, but I don't think losing Zucker after also losing McCann and Tanev is particularly a great idea.

 

[McJedi]

It has been rumored that the kings want another top 6 winger. Zucker is a LW that looks like would be a fit. He plays a 200 ft game that can chip in offensively. He has a 30 goal season under his belt. He fits well with Crosby but they won’t pull Guentzel away from him. No chemistry with Malkin and paid too high to play 3rd line

to Pitt: 2022 2nd
To LA: Zucker

Big overpayment by LA. Pitt should do it for a 7th rounder in 2029 if LA doesn’t make them retain on Zucker.

avs will send LA Mr. JT Compher for the same late pick, make it conditional on LA winning the cup next year. Hense, he’s free. Zucker is of the similar no value stock.

 

[66-30-33]

Big overpayment by LA. Pitt should do it for a 7th rounder in 2029 if LA doesn’t make them retain on Zucker.

Where are these people coming from? yeesh!

 

[Jerkbait]

Nothing. See my previous post.

Honestly, I know they are rumored to move Zucker, but I highly doubt they want to pay to move him.

Well of course they don't want to pay to move him but there may not be much choice....in all reality he may be worth a second to a team desperate for forward depth on the wing...maybe Edmonton? His value is closer to alow end D or a 3rd and a prospect. His contract isn't good and he had a terrible time in Pitt to the Pitt he should have been a 4th liner

 

[bland]

Not particularly interested in Zucker. No thanks from LA.


Was that so hard?