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Confirmed with Link: [PIT/MTL] Jeff Petry and Ryan Poehling for Mike Matheson and 4th PIT 2023

26Mats said:
The trade hinges on Matheson being good and Poehling not panning out (I for one haven't thrown in the towel yet).
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Does it? Who cares if Matheson isn't very good, we won't be anyway, what matters is not burning all our young defencemen for the next few years. Getting past this year is really the focus now, after that we have a lot more fluidity in what we can do cap wise.

Poehling, yeah maybe, but he was very indifferent here and had to be gifted a spot to handle the league. Even Pezzetta stood out more regularly. He might figure things out but I doubt this would have happened here and its very much his fault at this point.
 
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DramaticGloveSave said:
Poehling was a great buy low add for the Pens. Watch him bust out next year.
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And great for him if he does. But unfortunately, Bergevin put us in a shitty spot with contracts and Poehling couldn't beat out waiver wire pick-up Rem Pitlick or earn Jake Evans spot whenever he got injured. Hell, Pezzetta vastly outplayed him.
 
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Belial said:
You don't even take one second to objectively dissect trades!

You're the master of kneejerk reaction on this board.

The worst is that even after having time to think about it you usually have a too big ego to admit that you were completely wrong.
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Wrong on what .
Florida fans called Matheson completely useless defensively for like 5 years. He skates and that's it.
Then he signs in Pittsburgh , literal laughing stock of the main board when signed to the ''albatross contract''
First season in Pittsburgh , Pittsburgh fans call him a cap dump that needs to be traded and ask their GM to be fired for that.
Plays 1 decent season at 28 , means he will turn into a Petry. What the hell is the logic there? How can you prove that? You can't.

Ryan Poehling had no value except base salary cap out.
Petry is by far the better player in the trade and Petry will probably be better than Matheson in the next 3 years because he still got his skating and offensive assets.

We shredded almost no cap. We could have pulled a 25% retention and ask for future considerations and sign a veteran def for 1 year at low cost to save even more money and help Guhle and Barron at the same time.

Hugues said the point was to clear cape , something he barely did and also we are now adding 4 years instead of 3.

So yeah I watch around and I think the trade is pretty awful because , there is absolutely no sign why Matheson would turn into a Petry.

You guys just make comparaison that makes 0 sense and then you call me that I spill bullshit when most of the time im f***ing right and you know it.

The fact I said Armia was a 4th liner when we extended him and you and other posters I remember clearly shat on me saying he can play in the top6 and powerplay.

Like I said , extending Byron was a bad idea because he's always been 4th liner.

Also that Tatar Petry and Danault should have been traded instead of losing them for nothing or giving them bad deals.

But im never right. Im so bad I won 84.25% of my bets during the playoffs. I don't know hockey tho.
 
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26Mats said:
He could have signed a D on the ufa market without giving up assets after trading Petry for futures.

The bird he missed is getting the futures in the transaction. But hopefully Matheson, like Eddy, provides good mentorship for the youth and then is moved for good futures.

Or perhaps Matheson works out really well and he's here excelling for 10 years. We'll find out...

But I'd feel more comfortable if we moved the Matheson and Anderson contracts for futures, instead of risking them being albatross contracts next to Gallagher.
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Matheson's contract is in no way comparable to Gallagher's. There is no reason to believe that it will become an "albatross"
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...I watch every team and watch on my two TV set-up in my Man Cave every night until the wee hours, as I don't sleep much (Severe Chronic Pain sufferer), as I've stated on this Forum on numerous occasions...my family jokes constantly that I should be paid to watch hockey because that's pretty much all I do watch...I'm retired, all I have is time...and you still haven't updated your avatar, btw...
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I can upgrade my white knight avatar with Slaf instead of Price if you want.
 
Garo said:
Does it? Who cares if Matheson isn't very good, we won't be anyway, what matters is not burning all our young defencemen for the next few years. Getting past this year is really the focus now, after that we have a lot more fluidity in what we can do cap wise.

Poehling, yeah maybe, but he was very indifferent here and had to be gifted a spot to handle the league. Even Pezzetta stood out more regularly. He might figure things out but I doubt this would have happened here and its very much his fault at this point.
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Matheson is signed to almost 5M AAV for the next 4 years, 1 more year than Petry. We don't need another unmovable bad contract. We need him to be good and either mentor the kids well or be traded for good futures. Might as well have just given Petry away for free like McDonagh if Matheson isn't good.
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
Wrong on what .
Florida fans called Matheson completely useless defensively for like 5 years. He skates and that's it.
Then he signs in Pittsburgh , literal laughing stock of the main board when signed to the ''albatross contract''
First season in Pittsburgh , Pittsburgh fans call him a cap dump that needs to be traded and ask their GM to be fired for that.
Plays 1 decent season at 28 , means he will turn into a Petry. What the hell is the logic there? How can you prove that? You can't.

Ryan Poehling had no value except base salary cap out.
Petry is by far the better player in the trade and Petry will probably be better than Matheson in the next 3 years because he still got his skating and offensive assets.

We shredded almost no cap. We could have pulled a 25% retention and ask for future considerations and sign a veteran def for 1 year at low cost to save even more money and help Guhle and Barron at the same time.

Hugues said the point was to clear cape , something he barely did and also we are now adding 4 years instead of 3.

So yeah I watch around and I think the trade is pretty awful because , there is absolutely no sign why Matheson would turn into a Petry.

You guys just make comparaison that makes 0 sense and then you call me that I spill bullshit when most of the time im f***ing right and you know it.

The fact I said Armia was a 4th liner when we extended him and you and other posters I remember clearly shat on me saying he can play in the top6 and powerplay.

Like I said , extending Byron was a bad idea because he's always been 4th liner.

Also that Tatar Petry and Danault should have been traded instead of losing them for nothing or giving them bad deals.

But im never right. Im so bad I won 84.25% of my bets during the playoffs. I don't know hockey tho.
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I don't think anyone is arguing that Matheson is better than Petry today.

The idea is that Matheson will keep progressing to match our window or eventually be a decent TDL chip.

You're all over the place mate...

If you think Matheson is bad then you should be happy as the team will suck and we will be in the Bedard race.

You seem to be mad no matter the outcome...
 
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26Mats said:
Matheson is signed to almost 5M AAV for the next 4 years, 1 more year than Petry. We don't need another unmovable bad contract. We need him to be good and either mentor the kids well or be traded for good futures. Might as well have just given Petry away for free like McDonagh if Mathe sd on isn't good.
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Exactly, we need him to mentor the kids, but that's really kind of it. His contract runs longer but will end after most of our terrible contracts outside of Gallagher and Price, so that + a rising cap then wouldn't make this a big deal. Or a bad buyout in that last year anyway if it comes to that. But none of this requires him to be very good on the ice
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
If you remove this season with Pittsburgh , actually yes.
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Matheson has his flaws, but offensively speaking, he's more productive than Petry was at the same age.

When Habs acquired Petry, he was 28 years old and playing his 6th NHL season. He had 74 pts in 295 career games up to that point (0.25 PPG).

Habs acquire Matheson at 28 years old and he just completed his 6th NHL season. He has 138 pts in 417 career games so far (0.33 PPG).

When Habs got Petry, he only had one 25-point season. He never hit 20 points again until his second full season with the Habs. He took off after that in his age 30 season.

When Habs got Matheson, he's already had 2 seasons of 27 pts, 1 season of 20 points, and 1 seasons of 31 pts.

This isn't to say Matheson will become a 40+ point D the way Petry became. But his offensive game is better than Petry's was at the same age.

Defensively, he has his weaknesses. But remember how bad Petry's defensive game was when he came on board.
 
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Belial said:
I don't think anyone is arguing that Matheson is better than Petry today.

The idea is that Matheson will keep progressing to match our window or eventually be a decent TDL chip.

You're all over the place mate...

If you think Matheson is bad then you should be happy as the team will suck and we will be in the Bedard race.

You seem to be mad no matter the outcome...
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It's very foolish to expect Matheson to progress as much as Petry did past 28. It's not common for a player of any position to progress that much close to 30. For every Petry there's tons of guys who plateau at 28+. At one point and for an extended period of time Petry was playing better than Weber and was a legit number 1. It's much much more likely than Matheson keep being the dman he was i.e. a passable top 4. Matheson will play a lot here so i expect more points but i don't think he'll be as good as Petry was in 2020-2021. He can be as good as 2017-2018 Jeff "Petrin" yeah sure.
 
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HabsWhiteKnightLOL said:
Wrong on what .
Florida fans called Matheson completely useless defensively for like 5 years. He skates and that's it.
Then he signs in Pittsburgh , literal laughing stock of the main board when signed to the ''albatross contract''
First season in Pittsburgh , Pittsburgh fans call him a cap dump that needs to be traded and ask their GM to be fired for that.
Plays 1 decent season at 28 , means he will turn into a Petry. What the hell is the logic there? How can you prove that? You can't.

Ryan Poehling had no value except base salary cap out.
Petry is by far the better player in the trade and Petry will probably be better than Matheson in the next 3 years because he still got his skating and offensive assets.

We shredded almost no cap. We could have pulled a 25% retention and ask for future considerations and sign a veteran def for 1 year at low cost to save even more money and help Guhle and Barron at the same time.

Hugues said the point was to clear cape , something he barely did and also we are now adding 4 years instead of 3.

So yeah I watch around and I think the trade is pretty awful because , there is absolutely no sign why Matheson would turn into a Petry.

You guys just make comparaison that makes 0 sense and then you call me that I spill bullshit when most of the time im f***ing right and you know it.

The fact I said Armia was a 4th liner when we extended him and you and other posters I remember clearly shat on me saying he can play in the top6 and powerplay.

Like I said , extending Byron was a bad idea because he's always been 4th liner.

Also that Tatar Petry and Danault should have been traded instead of losing them for nothing or giving them bad deals.

But im never right. Im so bad I won 84.25% of my bets during the playoffs. I don't know hockey tho.
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You shouldn't be mentioning bets on this board.
 
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BigDaddyLurch said:
...I watch every team and watch on my two TV set-up in my Man Cave every night until the wee hours, as I don't sleep much (Severe Chronic Pain sufferer), as I've stated on this Forum on numerous occasions...my family jokes constantly that I should be paid to watch hockey because that's pretty much all I do watch...I'm retired, all I have is time...and you still haven't updated your avatar, btw...
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Holy crap you're retired?? Wow congrats man lol. Sometimes I forget there are people of all ages here.
 
DougHarvey said:
Matheson just got traded to us. He is a local kid for once and at least a quarter are already trying to trade him away. WTF with you people.

Give the kid a chance to play and prove himself.
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People were still expecting a 1st round pick and/or prospect. I guess that's why they're disappointed. They were mostly expecting to see the entirety of Petry's cap hit to be gone without taking much in return.. so we could sign some big guys (see PLD)
 
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Adam Michaels said:
Now your posts make more sense. 🤣
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