Confirmed Signing with Link: [PIT] Matt Murray signs contract extension (3 years, $3.75M AAV)

[Mr Jiggyfly]

17.25m sources say it's not going to be easy.

1) he has to agree to be moved to a specific team.
2) he has a 5.75m cap hit
3) team taking him must be willing to loose another goalie

The way I see it Pitt will have to take on bad money contract(s) and likely a 1st round pick just to give him away. can't see it, welcome to sin city Murray.

Just like the Pens were stuck with Scuderi, right?

 

[KevinRedkey]

Another thing this does is that if the Pens decide to buyout Fleury, it would still leave a manageable cap hit for their starter. Murray's new contract plus a MAF buyout would cost $5.66 million, which is basically exactly what Fleury is making right now. I doubt it would come to that, but just worth noting.

Isn't the next buyout period after expansion draft though? Their only option is to trade Fleury (Assuming they want to keep Murray)

Note: If I'm wrong, correct me. I'm not 100% on this.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Nobody wants Fleury. Sorry Pens!

Don't know why you are going to such lengths to make a fool out of yourself.

17.25m sources say it's not going to be easy.

1) he has to agree to be moved to a specific team.
2) he has a 5.75m cap hit
3) team taking him must be willing to loose another goalie

The way I see it Pitt will have to take on bad money contract(s) and likely a 1st round pick just to give him away. can't see it, welcome to sin city Murray.

I'm pretty sure that Fleury would be open to being traded to quite alot of teams seeing that he knows his future in Pittsburgh may soon be over. The cap hit isn't bad either. To even think that Fleury has negative value after two career years.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Isn't the next buyout period after expansion draft though? Their only option is to trade Fleury (Assuming they want to keep Murray)

Note: If I'm wrong, correct me. I'm not 100% on this.

No, there's a buyout window that will be opened before the expansion draft. I think Fehr said that (NHLPA leader, not Penguins player).

 

[KevinRedkey]

No, there's a buyout window that will be opened before the expansion draft. I think Fehr said that (NHLPA leader, not Penguins player).

Thanks for this..

That makes a huge difference. Doesn't force the Pens hand nearly as much.

 

[PetterssonSimp]

IMHO this ends up going down as the best and biggest bluff ever, signing Murray this early all but insures MAF will he sought out for a trade and given the option if he doesn't find a suitor to be bought out.
Otherwise it'll go down as a blunder. LV won't bother taking the 2nd or whatever is offer to not draft Murray and just grab the unprotected goalie from the Pens.

Gonna be a fun HF year for Pens fans. Luongo2.0?

 

[KrisLetAngry]

Isn't the next buyout period after expansion draft though? Their only option is to trade Fleury (Assuming they want to keep Murray)

Note: If I'm wrong, correct me. I'm not 100% on this.

I believe there will be one before.

 

[Stuckinthe2ndround*]

IMHO this ends up going down as the best and biggest bluff ever, signing Murray this early all but insures MAF will he sought out for a trade and given the option if he doesn't find a suitor to be bought out.
Otherwise it'll go down as a blunder. LV won't bother taking the 2nd or whatever is offer to not draft Murray and just grab the unprotected goalie from the Pens.

Gonna be a fun HF year for Pens fans. Luongo2.0?

The Pens won the cup without Fleury. I wouldn't care if they shipped him out for a bag of pucks at this point. Getting rid of his cap hit will be nice too.

 

[Dying Alive]

IMHO this ends up going down as the best and biggest bluff ever, signing Murray this early all but insures MAF will he sought out for a trade and given the option if he doesn't find a suitor to be bought out.
Otherwise it'll go down as a blunder. LV won't bother taking the 2nd or whatever is offer to not draft Murray and just grab the unprotected goalie from the Pens.

Gonna be a fun HF year for Pens fans. Luongo2.0?

So basically if everyone from the owners right down through the front office suffers a severe head injury and fails to think of using one of the several options available to them up to and including a buyout, they lose Murray for nothing?

We are all on pins and needles.

 

[Cherpak]

17.25m sources say it's not going to be easy.

1) he has to agree to be moved to a specific team.
2) he has a 5.75m cap hit
3) team taking him must be willing to loose another goalie

The way I see it Pitt will have to take on bad money contract(s) and likely a 1st round pick just to give him away. can't see it, welcome to sin city Murray.

LV's first official "Fan".

 

[Extra Texture]

17.25m sources say it's not going to be easy.

1) he has to agree to be moved to a specific team.
2) he has a 5.75m cap hit
3) team taking him must be willing to loose another goalie

The way I see it Pitt will have to take on bad money contract(s) and likely a 1st round pick just to give him away. can't see it, welcome to sin city Murray.

So they would give up a first round pick and take money rather than opting for a buyout in the summer?

 

[Seedling]

Have we started the Fleury to L.A. rumours yet?

 

[inthe6ix]

Have we started the Fleury to L.A. rumours yet?

http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=2139441

enough of that going on over there

 

[WonderTwinsUnite]

I wonder how much the Pens would try to retain to make MAF as attractive as possible. Maybe it might mitigate somewhat their terrible bargaining position...

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

MAF is a fantastic goalie with a great cap hit. this notion that he isn't good is rediclous. he has consistently been solid for a while now. Many NHL would love to have MAF. If colorado didnt have varly I would gladly welcome MAF with open arms. Once MAF gets to another team that team will love him and pens fans will hear all about how good he is, but they already know what a high level he plays at.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

MAF is a fantastic goalie with a great cap hit. this notion that he isn't good is rediclous. he has consistently been solid for a while now. Many NHL would love to have MAF. If colorado didnt have varly I would gladly welcome MAF with open arms. Once MAF gets to another team that team will love him and pens fans will hear all about how good he is, but they already know what a high level he plays at.

Yep if this expansion wasn't happening I'd keep him till Murray is ready. Imo fleury is still better. But a slight decrease now for an increase in say 2 or 3 years and another 10 on top of that is worth it

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

Yep if this expansion wasn't happening I'd keep him till Murray is ready. Imo fleury is still better. But a slight decrease now for an increase in say 2 or 3 years and another 10 on top of that is worth it

agreed but salary and expected decline make this the smart move for them now IMO plus Murray has wicked potential.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

agreed but salary and expected decline make this the smart move for them now IMO plus Murray has wicked potential.

Exactly what I said in different words maybe a little different. I agree with everything you said.

 

[Lemieuxs]

The smart play would be to trade MURRAY not MAF.
MAF is the better goalie at this point and when he begins to decline Jarry will be ready.

A 1st and top cost controlled roster player sounds about right.

 

[Prairie Habs]

Yes, he does. However, he either accepts a trade to a different team or he's stuck in a less than ideal situation (for a goaltender).



Lehtonen and Niemi carry a 5.9 and 4.5 cap hit, respectively. Smith carries a 5.6 cap hit. Ryan Miller, 6.0...

His cap hit isn't that bad when you look at other goaltenders in the league.



That would depend on the team.



And that's your take.

Well, when you cherry pick the four worst contracts (with the possible exception of Howard) it will obviously look better. Not saying MAF has a bad contract but that reasoning was flawed at best.

 

[Human]

The smart play would be to trade MURRAY not MAF.
MAF is the better goalie at this point and when he begins to decline Jarry will be ready.

A 1st and top cost controlled roster player sounds about right.

that's the exact type of move that should get a GM fired immediately...

I understand fans of other teams claiming that MAF is the better goalie, but it's downright ******** to claim that as a Pens fan. I mean if you've watched the Pens for the last season and you still believe MAF is a better goalie at this point you need your eyes/brain checked.

 

[Son Goku]

The smart play would be to trade MURRAY not MAF.
MAF is the better goalie at this point and when he begins to decline Jarry will be ready.

A 1st and top cost controlled roster player sounds about right.

Lol no. Matt Murray is levels above Fleury.

 

[danielpalfredsson]

IMHO this ends up going down as the best and biggest bluff ever, signing Murray this early all but insures MAF will he sought out for a trade and given the option if he doesn't find a suitor to be bought out.
Otherwise it'll go down as a blunder. LV won't bother taking the 2nd or whatever is offer to not draft Murray and just grab the unprotected goalie from the Pens.

Gonna be a fun HF year for Pens fans. Luongo2.0?

If Rutherford expects LV to accept compensation not to take Murray, he is crazy. If he frames it as "we're buying out Fleury because we know otherwise you'll take Murray, but we'd give you a 2nd round pick if you save us the trouble buy promising not to take Murray so we can keep both without a buyout" I guess it could work. Vegas would get a 2nd for not taking a player who wouldn't be available to them if they refused the 2nd. At the same point, if you're Vegas wouldn't you try to play hard ball knowing the situation and ask for a big return? Expecting to be able to coerce them to help you out in such a massive way for a paltry late 2nd seems a bit optimistic.

Pittsburgh's worst case scenario is that they have to buyout MA Fleury for a 2M penalty+roughly 1M replacement cost for a total 3M cap burden for four seasons. Their other worst case scenario is trading Murray for a huge return and keeping Fleury. They obviously aren't just going to leave Murray unprotected, they would trade him before doing that.

I don't think this contract was a blunder. It had to be done. If they move Fleury without a contract done with Murray, they hand Murray massive leverage. Also, now if Murray outplays Fleury, they won't be increasing Murray's bargaining position by playing him as the legit starter. Whether they decide to trade Murray or trade Fleury, getting Murray cost controlled was a necessary move.

Is anybody else getting really twisted up with both these goalies being named MURRAY AND FLEURY?

 

[danielpalfredsson]

Lol no. Matt Murray is levels above Fleury.

If the scenario is losing Fleury for nothing or having to buy Fleury out and take on a cap burden, or keeping Fleury and trading Murray. What return for Murray would convince you that it is a smart move to keep Fleury and not Murray?

There's an argument to be made that Fleury+(Murray's potentially big return) would be better for the Penguins than Murray+(Nothing or cap burden)

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

If the scenario is losing Fleury for nothing or having to buy Fleury out and take on a cap burden, or keeping Fleury and trading Murray. What return for Murray would convince you that it is a smart move to keep Fleury and not Murray?

There's an argument to be made that Fleury+(Murray's potentially big return) would be better for the Penguins than Murray+(Nothing or cap burden)

There's really not. Murray was better last year - at 21 - than Fleury's been since his 2008 Finals run. His composure under pressure was a stark contrast to Fleury's roller coaster of emotions, and that was a huge reason for the Pens' success last year.

If it came down to it, it would absolutely be better to buy out Fleury and keep the 22 year old who performs when it matters most. There's no realistic Murray return that would be worth trading his steely resolve for Fleury's volatility.