Confirmed Signing with Link: [PIT] Matt Murray signs contract extension (3 years, $3.75M AAV)

[Big McLargehuge]

The Penguins can't afford to have $9 million tied up in goaltending for the next 4 years. It's also not fair to Fleury and Murray, both of whom deserve to be #1's.

The only way the Pens have $9 million tied up in goaltending is if they inexplicably go out and sign another $3 million goalie. The odds of both Fleury and Murray being on this team next year are nominal at best and the worst case scenario for the Penguins involves buying Fleury out...which means the Pens will be paying as much on goaltending next season as they are this season (with room for a $1 million back-up).

 

[FLYLine27*]

Nobody wants Fleury. Sorry Pens!

 

[Ashasx]

Is he going to be traded?

I mean, if Murray backstops the Pens to a deep run or Fleury implodes, sure. BUT, what if both goalies are equally good or Fleury is a little better, including the playoffs?

As someone said on the Pens board, I won't believe Fleury is going to be traded until Bob McKenzie announces it's done.

If Fleury isn't traded before the expansion draft, they will lose Murray for nothing.

It is a guarantee that Fleury will be traded.

 

[Empoleon8771]

The Penguins can't afford to have $9 million tied up in goaltending for the next 4 years. It's also not fair to Fleury and Murray, both of whom deserve to be #1's.

Why can't they? It wouldn't be ideal, but they could afford it.

Some Pens fans on the Pens board are getting hysterical that the Pens are trading Murray and keeping Fleury, but I just can't see that happening. A likely scenario IMO is that the Pens get Fleury to waive his NMC to be eligible for the expansion draft, they'll pay off Vegas to not take Fleury and they'll protect Murray. Bribing Vegas to not take Fleury wouldn't be that expensive I bet, I don't even know if he'd be picked by Vegas. That's not what I want to do, but that wouldn't surprise me if JR tried it.

If Fleury isn't traded before the expansion draft, they will lose Murray for nothing.

It is a guarantee that Fleury will be traded.

That's just blatantly untrue.

Nobody wants Fleury. Sorry Pens!

Look out, this guy knows NHL GMs! This guy isn't just talking out of his ass or anything.

 

[KIRK]

The only way the Pens have $9 million tied up in goaltending is if they inexplicably go out and sign another $3 million goalie. The odds of both Fleury and Murray being on this team next year are nominal at best and the worst case scenario for the Penguins involves buying Fleury out...which means the Pens will be paying as much on goaltending next season as they are this season (with room for a $1 million back-up).

Which is why Murray signed the deal that takes him right to UFA status.

He knows the Pens will have to choose.

Funny thing is, given that it may cost a little retention to move Fleury, I'm not sure there's much of a cap difference between moving Fleury or Murray. And, the team may want a better backup short term if they keep Murray. 2M at most, of course, with no retention or costlier backup.

That said, the return for Murray would be a lot more.

For the Pens, this is about the next 3-4 years. Fleury is the sentimental favorite of the organization.

All things being equal, the better hockey decision for the next 3-4 years is to move Murray.

I do NOT think all things are equal, but unless Murray AGAIN gives them overwhelming evidence of that (i.e., deep run or Fleury implodes), I'm not convinced it's Fleury who gets traded.

This makes me sick . . .

If Fleury isn't traded before the expansion draft, they will lose Murray for nothing.

It is a guarantee that Fleury will be traded.

What if they traded Murray for a king's ransom instead.

Sure, if Murray backstops a deep run or Fleury implodes, one way or another, they'll move Fleury. But, what if both goalies are equal in the playoffs? The organization loves Fleury personally. Murray gets a monster return. In this scenario, I could see Rutherford voluntarily or being pushed into accepting that the Pens would've won the cup last season with Fleury if he hadn't gotten a concussion . . . and then moving Murray.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Which is why Murray signed the deal that takes him right to UFA status.

He's not a UFA after this deal, he's still a RFA. Your entire reaction on this seems excessive IMO.

 

[KIRK]

He's not a UFA after this deal, he's still a RFA. Your entire reaction on this seems excessive IMO.

Oh ****. This makes Murray even more valuable in the trade market.

Really, the Pens aren't going to pay 2 goalies 9.5M. You know that.

You know there's sentiment in the organization that they could've won it with Fleury if he hadn't gotten the concussion.

Now, if Murray backstops another deep run or Fleury implodes, sentiment goes by the wayside.

BUT, what if they perform equally this year?

You really think it's a given that they move Fleury in that scenario?

This is NOT what I want. I'd choose Murray every day of the week and a hundred times on Sunday.

 

[Ashasx]

That's just blatantly untrue.

He is it untrue? You think they'll trade Murray instead?

 

[Cherpak]

Which is why Murray signed the deal that takes him right to UFA status.

He knows the Pens will have to choose.

Funny thing is, given that it may cost a little retention to move Fleury, I'm not sure there's much of a cap difference between moving Fleury or Murray. And, the team may want a better backup short term if they keep Murray. 2M at most, of course, with no retention or costlier backup.

That said, the return for Murray would be a lot more.

For the Pens, this is about the next 3-4 years. Fleury is the sentimental favorite of the organization.

All things being equal, the better hockey decision for the next 3-4 years is to move Murray.

I do NOT think all things are equal, but unless Murray AGAIN gives them overwhelming evidence of that (i.e., deep run or Fleury implodes), I'm not convinced it's Fleury who gets traded.

This makes me sick . . .



What if they traded Murray for a king's ransom instead.

Sure, if Murray backstops a deep run or Fleury implodes, one way or another, they'll move Fleury. But, what if both goalies are equal in the playoffs? The organization loves Fleury personally. Murray gets a monster return. In this scenario, I could see Rutherford voluntarily or being pushed into accepting that the Pens would've won the cup last season with Fleury if he hadn't gotten a concussion . . . and then moving Murray.

What Kings ransom are you referring to? I thought goalies were not anywhere near as valuable? At least not here.

Your paranoia is getting the best of you.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He is it untrue? You think they'll trade Murray instead?

They can also buyout Fleury and they can also bribe Vegas into not taking one of the two. It's not "trade Fleury or lose Murray for nothing", the Pens do have a little bit more flexibility than that.

 

[Ashasx]

They can also buyout Fleury and they can also bribe Vegas into not taking one of the two. It's not "trade Fleury or lose Murray for nothing", the Pens do have a little bit more flexibility than that.

They can entice Vegas not to draft Murray, but what the Pens give up has to be at least as valuable to that team as Murray would be. And even then, Vegas doesn't have to agree to anything.

And if you buy out Fleury, that's a significant cap hit for 4 seasons beyond this one.

So I will say again that it is a guarantee that Fleury is traded before the expansion draft. Anything else would be a poor move by the Penguins.

 

[Nordic*]

Fleury to Ottawa for Ryan.

 

[iamjs]

Nobody wants Fleury. Sorry Pens!

You couldn't tell me with a straight face that Los Angeles couldn't use him right now.

 

[SEALBound]

Exactly what I thought he would get. Awesome.

 

[Dying Alive]

Fleury to Ottawa for Ryan.

The Pens can't take on that cap hit/term and I don't think Ottawa fans would care for that trade either.

 

[BHD]

Nobody wants Fleury. Sorry Pens!

Sources?

 

[Dying Alive]

Sources?

I can't believe anyone would honestly think that at the very least Dallas wouldn't be all over a trade for MAF if they could make the money work.

 

[McSuper]

Good deal for the Pens and a good 2nd contact for Murray . I always like MAF since I took my daughter to the world JR's here in Halifax . My daughter gave him the thumbs up and he mention her in the news ( it was a spit squad Canada vs Canada ) In the news they asked him how he stayed motivated in a meaningless game he said the fans and mention the little girl that gave him the thumbs up . After that he has always been my daughter favourite player and I thought it was nice that he notice it and mention it . I guess he will be asked to move on now . Said day but it is a business . I hope he can go to a contender and find his playoff form again . He seems like a real good person and you can never wish enough good fortune on good people .

 

[Nordic*]

The Pens can't take on that cap hit/term and I don't think Ottawa fans would care for that trade either.

Anderson is done. Need an upgrade.

 

[McSuper]

Nobody wants Fleury. Sorry Pens!

So you say . Are you a GM ? Been in the GM meetings ? MAF may not of looked great in the playoffs but getting there is 1/2 the battle . He is a great regular season goalie . I would take him on a team let him get you to the playoffs then let the coach come up with a game plan to work around his strengths and weakest . Another thing wins put fans in the seats . A borderline playoff team that is having trouble drawing fans could use a player like MAF to take them to the playoffs which would increase revue both from the regular season increase attendance and the playoffs .

Yeah but no owner wants that . They buy NHL teams to lose money

 

[Johnnybegood13]

Sources?

17.25m sources say it's not going to be easy.

1) he has to agree to be moved to a specific team.
2) he has a 5.75m cap hit
3) team taking him must be willing to loose another goalie

The way I see it Pitt will have to take on bad money contract(s) and likely a 1st round pick just to give him away. can't see it, welcome to sin city Murray.

 

[Curufinwe]

The craziest outcome I can imagine is MAF gets bought out, and then is signed by the Flyers for two years as their starter while Stolarz and Lyon are the NHL backup/AHL starter.

He might not win any more playoff series, but he'd be a huge help in the shootout.

 

[Empoleon8771]

17.25m sources say it's not going to be easy.

1) he has to agree to be moved to a specific team.
2) he has a 5.75m cap hit
3) team taking him must be willing to loose another goalie

The way I see it Pitt will have to take on bad money contract(s) and likely a 1st round pick just to give him away. can't see it, welcome to sin city Murray.

1. No he doesn't, he doesn't have a full NTC. He can just submit a list of 12 teams he can't be traded to, which he has already submitted. To trade him to one of those 12 teams would require him saying yes, but not the other 18 teams
2. A $5.75 million cap hit for his level is very fair
3. I can think of 10 teams just off the top of my head that would trade one of their goalies for Fleury
4. Saying it would cost the Pens a 1st to trade Fleury is just dumb as ****.

 

[The Macho King]

Looks like pretty much the same contract as Vasilevskiy, right?

 

[BHD]

17.25m sources say it's not going to be easy.

1) he has to agree to be moved to a specific team.

Yes, he does. However, he either accepts a trade to a different team or he's stuck in a less than ideal situation (for a goaltender).

2) he has a 5.75m cap hit

Lehtonen and Niemi carry a 5.9 and 4.5 cap hit, respectively. Smith carries a 5.6 cap hit. Ryan Miller, 6.0...

His cap hit isn't that bad when you look at other goaltenders in the league.

3) team taking him must be willing to loose another goalie

That would depend on the team.

The way I see it Pitt will have to take on bad money contract(s) and likely a 1st round pick just to give him away. can't see it, welcome to sin city Murray.

And that's your take.