Waived: [PIT] G Tristian Jarry waived by the Penguins (cleared)

[MessierThanThou]

Pikard has been great as the back up. He's not the problem. He's 11-4 respectfully with excellent rebound control. It's Stu Skinner that's been super inconsistent since EDM anointed him as the starter.

Problem is, management is in love with him and the homers defend every bad goal he lets in, or pin it all on Bouchard or Nurse, or literally blame McDavid for not scoring enough, while the rest of the league laughs at Skinner and wonders why the Oilers are so blind to his faults, especially when the team has been so close to winning it all... So the only realistic option is to replace Pickard.

 

[bambamcam4ever]

A goalie could have a 60 save shutout and he would probably still give credit to the team in front of him.

No, Jarry would still blame his teammates.

 

[Buttonwood]

What are the chances Jarry is bought out this summer vs traded with retention vs status quo.

A buyout seems steep but 3 extra years to a new team is daunting as well and I'm sure they don't want to give up assets to move him either. The Penguins have a decent set of young goalies so would the status quo crowd the crease too much? Tough to get a read on the situation as an outsider

 

[Golden_Jet]

What are the chances Jarry is bought out this summer vs traded with retention vs status quo.

A buyout seems steep but 3 extra years to a new team is daunting as well and I'm sure they don't want to give up assets to move him either.

then stuck with him

 

[SomeDude]

What are the chances Jarry is bought out this summer vs traded with retention vs status quo.

A buyout seems steep but 3 extra years to a new team is daunting as well and I'm sure they don't want to give up assets to move him either. The Penguins have a decent set of young goalies so would the status quo crowd the crease too much? Tough to get a read on the situation as an outsider

Considering the preview of the goalie market with Lankinen’s deal, it wouldn’t surprise me if a team out there is willing to roll the dice on Jarry this summer by swapping a contract they don’t want rather than the Pens having no option other than to buy him out.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

There won't be any need to trade or buy him out for next season. Pens signalled pretty clearly by eating cap on the Hayes, Heinen, and Desharnais deals that it's not a year they'll be prioritizing the most competitive roster possible.

After next year, anything's possible. Maybe Jarry finds his game. Maybe the buyout numbers are more palatable. Maybe someone will trade a different bad contract for him a la Dubois.

 

[Darren McCord]

What are the chances Jarry is bought out this summer vs traded with retention vs status quo.

A buyout seems steep but 3 extra years to a new team is daunting as well and I'm sure they don't want to give up assets to move him either. The Penguins have a decent set of young goalies so would the status quo crowd the crease too much? Tough to get a read on the situation as an outsider

I think a buyout or trade are guaranteed. I bet they go retention over adding assets if they go the trade route. They are done with Jarry and he won't be back with the penguins next year.

 

[Buttonwood]

then stuck with him

I guess in a trade with retention would they still have to give something up or would someone take him for free at $3M AAV? On one hand, you have Cal Petersen never getting out of the AHL and on the other hand (as mentioned above), $3M is less then the new boilerplate ~$5M x 5 mid level goalies are now getting, so is it really that much more risk?

 

[Extra Texture]

What are the chances Jarry is bought out this summer vs traded with retention vs status quo.

A buyout seems steep but 3 extra years to a new team is daunting as well and I'm sure they don't want to give up assets to move him either. The Penguins have a decent set of young goalies so would the status quo crowd the crease too much? Tough to get a read on the situation as an outsider

I would much much rather the Pens pay in cap to rid themselves of Jarry, than part with any assets to try and move him.

Cap should become one of the Pens best and most plentiful assets in a rebuild. And while his buyout would be steep in years 2-3, I don’t for a second buy the fantasy the jokers at FSG and Dubas are selling about a quick return to competitiveness.

Terrible terrible signing that made about 20 minutes after he got to town.

 

[Darren McCord]

There won't be any need to trade or buy him out for next season. Pens signalled pretty clearly by eating cap on the Hayes, Heinen, and Desharnais deals that it's not a year they'll be prioritizing the most competitive roster possible.

After next year, anything's possible. Maybe Jarry finds his game. Maybe the buyout numbers are more palatable. Maybe someone will trade a different bad contract for him a la Dubois.

Disagree. The way they have treated him they won't him out of the org. If they are inline with your thinking they wouldn't have waived him. Him being in WBS next year will be just as detrimental as being with the big club.

He is 100% gone

 

[SomeDude]

There won't be any need to trade or buy him out for next season. Pens signalled pretty clearly by eating cap on the Hayes, Heinen, and Desharnais deals that it's not a year they'll be prioritizing the most competitive roster possible.

After next year, anything's possible. Maybe Jarry finds his game. Maybe the buyout numbers are more palatable. Maybe someone will trade a different bad contract for him a la Dubois.

He’s gone this summer. You can’t bury/hide a goalie like a skater. Pens have good goalie prospects they can’t have riding the bench in WBS because Jarry is down there.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

He’s gone this summer. You can’t bury/hide a goalie like a skater. Pens have good goalie prospects they can’t have riding the bench in WBS because Jarry is down there.

There's Blomqvist and Murashov. Blom can back up Ned and Murashov can play with Jarry in WBS.

What other goalie prospect in the pipeline should be prioritized so highly that the Pens either waste good assets as sweetener to move Jarry, or eat several millions dollars in capspace for a buyout?

Taylor Gauthier and Filip Larsson are worth doing that?

 

[Diablo2020]

Canuck fans will hate it and for sure there's a huge chance it backfires but if they could get a goalie they know, thats won them a cup, who get to come home, on a retained deal for a decent amount like 2,687,500 so hes unburdened..

I cant help but think we're the one team who can fix him

 

[SomeDude]

There's Blomqvist and Murashov. Blom can back up Ned and Murashov can play with Jarry in WBS.

What other goalie prospect in the pipeline should be prioritized so highly that the Pens either waste good assets as sweetener to move Jarry, or eat several millions dollars in capspace for a buyout?

Taylor Gauthier and Filip Larsson are worth doing that?

What does cap space matter in a buyout? We don’t need it. I agree they shouldn’t waste assets to move him, but who cares if we have dead cap while we suck.

I do think someone might be willing to swap him for another overpaid contract. Just comes down to whether Dubas would prefer straight dead cap or another overpaid guy.

Gauthier is a pretty decent prospect too who should be playing. There’s just no need to keep Jarry’s mediocre ass in this organization anymore.

 

[Sideline]

There's Blomqvist and Murashov. Blom can back up Ned and Murashov can play with Jarry in WBS.

What other goalie prospect in the pipeline should be prioritized so highly that the Pens either waste good assets as sweetener to move Jarry, or eat several millions dollars in capspace for a buyout?

Taylor Gauthier and Filip Larsson are worth doing that?

Completely agree. Jarry can ride the pine in WBS or sit in the press box as their 3rd goalie. The Penguins aren't hurting for cap space so he either stays in the AHL or gets moved for a different bad contract.

 

[Darren McCord]

There's Blomqvist and Murashov. Blom can back up Ned and Murashov can play with Jarry in WBS.

What other goalie prospect in the pipeline should be prioritized so highly that the Pens either waste good assets as sweetener to move Jarry, or eat several millions dollars in capspace for a buyout?

Taylor Gauthier and Filip Larsson are worth doing that?

Larsson is a top 10 goalie in the AHL this year in SV% and is 26. You don't keep Jarry to bury him in the ECHL. If Jarry has such a bad attitude that he can't even be a backup in the NHL then he shouldn't be around young prospects.

He will be gone. It isn't even about just his play. The team does not want him around.

 

[Empoleon8771]

In a world of logic, there is no reason that any team should want to trade for Jarry. But in a world where goalies like Lankinen are getting 5 year deals for being a starter for half a season, this isn't a world of logic.

I think the Penguins could retain half of his deal and find someone to take the rest of it. It's a lower cap penalty than buying him out and I think Jarry at 3 years and $2.5 million could be something another team gambles on.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

What does cap space matter in a buyout? We don’t need it. I agree they shouldn’t waste assets to move him, but who cares if we have dead cap while we suck.

I do think someone might be willing to swap him for another overpaid contract. Just comes down to whether Dubas would prefer straight dead cap or another overpaid guy.

Gauthier is a pretty decent prospect too who should be playing. There’s just no need to keep Jarry’s mediocre ass in this organization anymore.

We don't need cap next season. After that, we might.

The bottom line is that as much as we're all done with Jarry as a Penguin, there's no reason to shoot ourselves in the foot to make it happen prematurely. Making AHL time for our 3rd best goalie prospect - a 24 year old undrafted FA signing - sure isn't a good reason.

 

[Darren McCord]

In a world of logic, there is no reason that any team should want to trade for Jarry. But in a world where goalies like Lankinen are getting 5 year deals for being a starter for half a season, this isn't a world of logic.

I think the Penguins could retain half of his deal and find someone to take the rest of it. It's a lower cap penalty than buying him out and I think Jarry at 3 years and $2.5 million could be something another team gambles on.

Honestly who cares about the buyout though. is only bad in year 2 and 3 when the cap is going to be skyrocketed. Retain on Karlsson or Rakell to get good capital back and keep the other retention spots for deadlines.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Larsson is a top 10 goalie in the AHL this year in SV% and is 26. You don't keep Jarry to bury him in the ECHL. If Jarry has such a bad attitude that he can't even be a backup in the NHL then he shouldn't be around young prospects.

He will be gone. It isn't even about just his play. The team does not want him around.

That's fine. It's not so good that we should be wasting millions of buyout capspace to get him AHL reps. Jarry's AHL numbers are actually better than Larsson's.

 

[SomeDude]

We don't need cap next season. After that, we might.

The bottom line is that as much as we're all done with Jarry as a Penguin, there's no reason to shoot ourselves in the foot to make it happen prematurely. Making AHL time for our 3rd best goalie prospect - a 24 year old undrafted FA signing - sure isn't a good reason.

Make no mistake, the main goal of buying him out or whatever is to simply remove him from the organization.

His buyout would be heavy in 26/27 and 27/28. It would be under 800k a year from 28-31.

We will not need cap space by 2028.

 

[Darren McCord]

That's fine. It's not so good that we should be wasting millions of buyout capspace to get him AHL reps. Jarry's AHL numbers are actually better than Larsson's.

Yea but this team has turned on Jarry. You can't just keep a guy like that around. It creates rottenness. Can Larsson even go to the ECHL?

Murashov has to be the started in WBS next year. It isn't wasting millions if moving Jarry guarantees that happens.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Make no mistake, the main goal of buying him out or whatever is to simply remove him from the organization.

His buyout would be heavy in 26/27 and 27/28. It would be under 800k a year from 28-31.

We will not need cap space by 2028.

I just don't agree with that. I think the org is eyeing a turnaround that does not entertain being a bad team for 3+ more years.

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Yea but this team has turned on Jarry. You can't just keep a guy like that around. It creates rottenness. Can Larsson even go to the ECHL?

Murashov has to be the started in WBS next year. It isn't wasting millions if moving Jarry guarantees that happens.

Baased on what? Where's the evidence of Jarry taking all of this so poorly that he's a cancerous teammate?

He's a bad goalie right now. I haven't heard anything suggesting he's a bad person that's poisoning the well.

 

[SomeDude]

I just don't agree with that. I think the org is eyeing a turnaround that does not entertain being a bad team for 3+ more years.

They also eyed Tristan Jarry as being worth this contract among other terrible things. It doesn’t matter what they entertain, we’re going to be a bad team.