Confirmed Signing with Link: [PIT] G Tristan Jarry re-signs with the Penguins (5 years, $5.375M AAV)

[Empoleon8771]

Jack just had a horrible season that obviously brought his numbers way down and that's why there is a big difference in those sv percentages. Before this last season their numbers probably looked a lot closer. Doesn't change what I said considering I said he was better but jarry wilts under pressure just the same and now you're tied to a guy for five seasons who cant stay healthy if his life depended on it.

If you just look at 2019-2022, Jarry is at a .917 save% in 130 games compared to .913 save% in 97 games for Campbell.

So Jarry still puts up better numbers while also playing a lot more.

 

[GhostfaceWu]

If you just look at 2019-2022, Jarry is at a .917 save% in 130 games compared to .913 save% in 97 games for Campbell.

So Jarry still puts up better numbers while also playing a lot more.

I forgot how a difference of .004 is asininely better.

 

[SomeDude]

The basic defense for this deal is “who else was available that was better?”

Here is why this defense is bunk. Look at a team like LA. By no means am I saying Rob Blake is some great GM, but I think he’s not an idiot.

He looked at the same goalie UFA crop Dubas did. Likely said, “these guys all suck, let’s just sign a couple of these idiots for 1 year because we literally have to.”

You now are still flexible that if/when the trade market for a good goalie softens up, you’re still in play. Less likely, you have a chance one of those idiot goalies will do what goalies do and randomly be good for a season and then problem solved. Either way, worst case, you’re back to square one next summer.

Dubas has now handcuffed the Pens to Jarry for 5 years. He has already let them down, one way or another, for 3 straight seasons. There is no longer a plan B. There is no flexibility. It’s Jarry or bust.

Dubas looks like an idiot here. If you bring Jarry back for a 1-2 year “prove it” deal, that makes some sense. If he has a better offer somewhere else, let that team roll the dice on a guy that already burned you THREE times. Then go sign some schlub stop gap or pony up for a trade.

 

[Canuck86]

Lol how did this happen

Kyle Dubas...guy couldn't do shit in Toronto but people seem to believe in him for some reason!

 

[Karl Eriksson]

Dubas back from the grave to haunt your team

 

[Pens x]

Dubas sucks. He had a horrible day one of free agency. He was an idiot for not buying out Granlund, but then he outdid that stupidity today. Some Pens fans continue to try to justify his idiotic decisions.

 

[Gary Bets Man]

Last 4 seasons he is 7th is wins and 10th in sv% for goalies starting more than 100 games.
What’s wrong with locking him up for 5/5?

When he’s playing he’s good to very good. His problem is staying healthy…

 

[SomeDude]

Last 4 seasons he is 7th is wins and 10th in sv% for goalies starting more than 100 games.
What’s wrong with locking him up for 5/5?

When he’s playing he’s good to very good. His problem is staying healthy…

Stats rarely tell the whole story.

-As you said, the last 2 seasons he has been hurt and unavailable during the stretch run and playoffs. Availability is the most valuable trait, especially for a goalie.

-The only time he has been healthy for the playoffs, he literally gave the season away.

-Look at his splits from the first half to the second half. His game routinely falls apart after the all-star game.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Last 4 seasons he is 7th is wins and 10th in sv% for goalies starting more than 100 games.
What’s wrong with locking him up for 5/5?

When he’s playing he’s good to very good. His problem is staying healthy…

Yeah I was about to post the same exact thing. Jarry was always projected to get like a 5x5 deal. What should Jarry have gotten if this deal was so bad?

 

[Divine]

Yeah I was about to post the same exact thing. Jarry was always projected to get like a 5x5 deal. What should Jarry have gotten if this deal was so bad?

Probably a one or two year deal. He hasn’t proven he can be an NHL starter yet because he keeps getting injured during a full workload.

In addition to that, he becomes one of the rare goalies to get a 12 team no-trade clause starting today. Usually those clauses have value because they handicap the team. So this is almost a 6M x 5 deal discounted in return for the NTC.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Probably a one or two year deal. He hasn’t proven he can be an NHL starter yet because he keeps getting injured during a full workload.

In addition to that, he becomes one of the rare goalies to get a 12 team no-trade clause starting today. Usually those clauses have value because they handicap the team. So this is almost a 6M x 5 deal discounted in return for the NTC.

He made the all-star game in 2021-2022 while starting 58 games and putting up a .919 save%.

He had a "bad" season last year and he still started in 47 games with a .909 save%.

 

[Divine]

He made the all-star game in 2021-2022 while starting 58 games and putting up a .919 save%.

So did Jack Campbell. I wouldn’t call him a starting goaltending either. Like Jarry, he collapsed in the second half of the season.

 

[Empoleon8771]

So did Jack Campbell. I wouldn’t call him a starting goaltending either.

Campbell's career high in starts is 49. His best season was on par with Jarry's "bad" season in 2022-2023.

Again, Jarry has played the 7th most games in the last 4 years and has around the 10th best save%, depending on the minimum games played that you look at. He has his flaws, but he was always going to come in at around 5x5.

 

[Divine]

Campbell's career high in starts is 49. His best season was on par with Jarry's "bad" season in 2022-2023.

Again, Jarry has played the 7th most games in the last 4 years and has around the 10th best save%, depending on the minimum games played that you look at. He has his flaws, but he was always going to come in at around 5x5.

And Jarry has proven he can not handle a full play load without injury. If you wanted a bubble-wrapped goalie, you could have had Matt Murray for cheaper.

 

[Empoleon8771]

And Jarry has proven he can not handle a full play load without injury. If you wanted a bubble-wrapped goalie, you could have had Matt Murray for cheaper.

And Murray is drastically worse than Jarry.

Before Ullmark became a Vezina winner, he was an unproven goalie with Buffalo with only 117 career games played. In the 3 years before his deal with Boston, he played in 20, 34 and 37 games. He got a 4 year, $5 million AAV deal in the 2021 off-season.

If Ullmark can get that kind of money, there was zero chance that Jarry, who was substantially more proven than Ullmark, would get less than that. Jarry has his issues and I understand why Penguins fans wanted to move on, but any sort of talk of this deal being bad is just showing you're not paying attention to the goalie market. Jarry's extension came in at exactly where it was projected to come in.

 

[Divine]

And Murray is drastically worse than Jarry.

Before Ullmark became a Vezina winner, he was an unproven goalie with Buffalo with only 117 career games played. In the 3 years before his deal with Boston, he played in 20, 34 and 37 games. He got a 4 year, $5 million AAV deal in the 2021 off-season.

If Ullmark can get that kind of money, there was zero chance that Jarry, who was substantially more proven than Ullmark, would get less than that. Jarry has his issues and I understand why Penguins fans wanted to move on, but any sort of talk of this deal being bad is just showing you're not paying attention to the goalie market. Jarry's extension came in at exactly where it was projected to come in.

Even if you believe the value was good, why the NTC? You're taking a goalie that gets injured every season and committing 5 years while giving him the power to veto trades.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Even if you believe the value was good, why the NTC? You're taking a goalie that gets injured every season and committing 5 years while giving him the power to veto trades.

Every single goalie who makes more than him has a NTC. Guys like Grubauer and Binnington actually have a full NTC, instead of a partial NTC like Jarry. Markstrom actually even has a full NMC.

 

[Divine]

Every single goalie who makes more than him has a NTC. Guys like Grubauer and Binnington actually have a full NTC, instead of a partial NTC like Jarry. Markstrom actually even has a full NMC.

Those guys have won rounds in the playoffs.

 

[Empoleon8771]

Those guys have won rounds in the playoffs.

...uh, okay?

Matt Murray has 2 cups, does that suddenly mean his contract is good now?

 

[Divine]

...uh, okay?

Matt Murray has 2 cups, does that suddenly mean his contract is good now?

It's better than this, yes.

Matt Murray was much better than Jarry when he signed, look how that aged. That's why people see the issues with this contract. Another injury prone goalie who isn't as good as Matt Murray was - hence the reason people are unhappy.

 

[Empoleon8771]

It's better than this, yes.

Matt Murray was much better than Jarry when he signed, look how that aged. That's why people see the issues with this contract. Another injury prone goalie who isn't as good as Matt Murray was - hence the reason people are unhappy.

Matt Murray had an .899 save% in his last season with the Penguins before signing his deal.

 

[Divine]

Matt Murray had an .899 save% in his last season with the Penguins before signing his deal.

He also led the Penguins to 2 Cups. He was being paid for what he accomplished.

For some reason, you don't think staying healthy or performance in the playoffs is an important factor for a goalie. Which seems to be why you're the only person happy with this deal. I guess we judge goalies differently.

 

[Empoleon8771]

He also led the Penguin to 2 Cups.

For some reason, you don't think staying healthy or playing in the playoffs is an important factor for a goalie. Which seems to be why you're the only person happy with this deal. I guess we judge goalies differently.

Neat. He also fell off of a cliff when his father died and any Penguins fan could have told you that he was damaged goods when Ottawa decided to give him a $6.25 million AAV deal.

I watched both Jarry and Murray extensively, I even got a reputation on HFPens for being a huge Murray defender. But Jarry clearly is a better goalie than Murray was after his father passed away. It's not even a contest. Jarry's "bad" seasons are him putting up a .909 save% while still starting 47 games. Murray's "bad" seasons are him having below a .900 save% or him only starting in 20 games.

 

[TheDawnOfANewTage]

I’m really curious who they were bidding against. I think a GM was having fun driving up the price.

 

[Divine]

Neat. He also fell off of a cliff when his father died and any Penguins fan could have told you that he was damaged goods when Ottawa decided to give him a $6.25 million AAV deal.

I watched both Jarry and Murray extensively, I even got a reputation on HFPens for being a huge Murray defender. But Jarry clearly is a better goalie than Murray was after his father passed away. It's not even a contest. Jarry's "bad" seasons are him putting up a .909 save% while still starting 47 games. Murray's "bad" seasons are him having below a .900 save% or him only starting in 20 games.

Great, now compare their good seasons.