Speculation: Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

[Kingspiracy]

Jets may want that, but that is not how the buying team sees it. If PLD agrees for 7mil per and the Kings wanted him, they would have to pay a pretty high price for that player at that term. If PLD signs for 9mil per, well there is less value in the trade for the Kings, so less value should go the other way to the Jets.

Not likely, Vilardi is not a UFA next year like PLD. The players are in different situations.


Vilardi will not be a UFA for another few years.

Yes I know, and i get the impression Gabe is a good kid that wouldnt rock the boat.

But if you look at it from his perspective, going from a team he knows and a situation hes doing well in to a team that (and i mean no disrespect to the jets, we've all been there) looks to struggle to attract and keep guys and may be on a rebuild trajectory. He might try to throw a spanner in the works.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

I'm surprised Montreal has been so reluctant to make this move. They've pretty much had Dubois in their back pocket this whole time, he wants to play there, he's French-Canadian, he's a big center that's already a star player. It checks off every box MTL has been looking for the last decade or so. Now they are probably going to lose him to LA.

They don't want to overpay in the trade , if he really wants it then habs will just wait if not then we move on.

 

[MXD]

Another thing Montreal could offer the Jets is taking on bad contracts.
If the Jets are truly at the point of buying out Wheeler, Montreal could take him without salary retention and deal with him themselves

I don't think Montreal can fit Dubois AND Wheeler. Not to mention Wheeler has some very solid protection and I doubt Montreal is one of the five teams to whom he'd accept a trade to.

(Unless you're implying that Montreal would work as a broker and flip him immediately with some retention, in which case...maybe, but the Jets look like they'll have enough capspace to do the retention themselves)

 

[Sergei Shirokov]

Hughes might be from Montreal, but he doesn't strike me as the type that would capitulate to French media pressures and get the "Great French Hope".

Yeah thats a fair point. Its something that was a big deal in MTL before but I'd agree it doesn't seem to phase Hughes as much thus-far.

he's not a star player

I disagree, 30g/70p pace last season, big profile as a top pick and still has his peak seasons ahead of him imo. Its been a weird couple of years for him but last season he seemed to start showing what he could be.

At the very least he's on the cusp and will be there in time.

Not so much lose him but just not willing to overpay for him. We just need to keep rebuilding and not take away from our core in a trade.

Because they’re not offering Dach.

It really depends on the ask and the contract he's looking for. He's closer to a top 6 forward than a star player. He has given up on two teams already. French players in Montreal have a ton of pressure to deal with and it's not anyone that can perform under those conditions.

If the Jets want Dach, it's a non starter. In my opinion, it would have to be Dvorak + picks/prospects to make sense for the Habs. If the Kings are more aggressive in their offer, let them have him. Dubois would be a great addition to the Habs, but not at any cost.

The only realistic player the Jets would want from the Habs would be Dach, and it just doesn't make sense for the Habs to trade a package around Dach for Dubois, especially after Dach just had a bounce back year.

The only way a trade gets done is if Montreal can bring a third team in and use their futures to get a young player that the Jets want. Otherwise they don't have a player that matches Vilardi.

They don't want to overpay in the trade , if he really wants it then habs will just wait if not then we move on.

I've always really liked Dach, I had him #3 in his draft - and he certainly got back on track last season - but PLD is an upgrade imo.

If its Dach & other major pieces I'd agree that's an overpayment, but given the rumour is Vilardi & Iaffalo as the core of the deal it seems like the circumstances of PLD controlling the process have hampered his value. Yes Dach seemingly needs to be involved but I doubt there would be a ton else as far as big assets.

I'm sure you all disagree but if it was a 1 for 1 swap or close to it I think it would be generally positive review for MTL's end. Gotta give to get.

We can agree to disagree. TBF its easier for me to say with no attachment to the player/team.

 

[HabsAddict]

I don't think Montreal can fit Dubois AND Wheeler. Not to mention Wheeler has some very solid protection and I doubt Montreal is one of the five teams to whom he'd accept a trade to.

(Unless you're implying that Montreal would work as a broker and flip him immediately with some retention, in which case...maybe, but the Jets look like they'll have enough capspace to do the retention themselves)

The Wheeler contract in exchange for the Hoffman contract. That's 4 million spread and ties up the Habs from making ANY FA signings. At least Wheeler is way more productive the "don't touch me" Hoffman

THAT may be the deal maker, or not.

 

[TS Quint]

This reeks of leaking that a sign and trade to LA was close just to get Montreal to get back into the game here.

Habs dont have anything that could beat that trade Unless they put #5 on the table. Obviously they won’t. All the Habs really have to offer is a late first and a mitt full of B/C prospects.

 

[MXD]

The Wheeler contract in exchange for the Hoffman contract. That's 4 million spread and ties up the Habs from making ANY FA signings. At least Wheeler is way more productive the "don't touch me" Hoffman

THAT may be the deal maker, or not.

Again, I highly doubt Montreal is on his 5-team list of teams to which he'd accept a trade to.

 

[HabsAddict]

Yeah thats a fair point. Its something that was a big deal in MTL before but I'd agree it doesn't seem to phase Hughes as much thus-far.



I disagree, 30g/70p pace last season, big profile as a top pick and still has his peak seasons ahead of him imo. Its been a weird couple of years for him but last season he seemed to start showing what he could be.

At the very least he's on the cusp and will be there in time.












I've always really liked Dach, I had him #3 in his draft - and he certainly got back on track last season - but PLD is an upgrade imo.

If its Dach & other major pieces I'd agree that's an overpayment, but given the rumour is Vilardi & Iaffalo as the core of the deal it seems like the circumstances of PLD controlling the process have hampered his value. Yes Dach seemingly needs to be involved but I doubt there would be a ton else as far as big assets.

I'm sure you all disagree but if it was a 1 for 1 swap or close to it I think it would be generally positive review for MTL's end. Gotta give to get.

We can agree to disagree. TBF its easier for me to say with no attachment to the player/team.

A lot of fans as well as I and probably Hughes see Dach matching Dubois production in a few years. So basically trading two nickels for a dime, which does NOT improve the Habs. So why do it.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Yeah thats a fair point. Its something that was a big deal in MTL before but I'd agree it doesn't seem to phase Hughes as much thus-far.



I disagree, 30g/70p pace last season, big profile as a top pick and still has his peak seasons ahead of him imo. Its been a weird couple of years for him but last season he seemed to start showing what he could be.

At the very least he's on the cusp and will be there in time.












I've always really liked Dach, I had him #3 in his draft - and he certainly got back on track last season - but PLD is an upgrade imo.

If its Dach & other major pieces I'd agree that's an overpayment, but given the rumour is Vilardi & Iaffalo as the core of the deal it seems like the circumstances of PLD controlling the process have hampered his value. Yes Dach seemingly needs to be involved but I doubt there would be a ton else as far as big assets.

I'm sure you all disagree but if it was a 1 for 1 swap or close to it I think it would be generally positive review for MTL's end. Gotta give to get.

We can agree to disagree. TBF its easier for me to say with no attachment to the player/team.

Habs are simply not trading Dach Anymore , he was on pace for 50+ points in a terrible offensive team yet a terrible team overall.
That's probably what Winnipeg wants but this is why the trade is not happening. Our GM won't remove a younger and cheaper for a guy asking 2x his money and whos older for 20~ more points a season

If Dubois wants badly to play in Montreal then he can play 1 more season anywhere else or say he doesnt want to sign anywehre else to force WPG.
If he finds a team that wants to pay the big price with an extension so be it.

Habs are rebuilding. Removing Dach for Dubois makes no progression to our rebuild at all.

Perhaps Winnipeg would accept if they were to rebuild since Hellbyuck Wheeler Scheifele and Dubois are all dipping but since they want to compete we don't have the pieces to give them.

Also at the rumoured L.A proposal rumour , that doesn't even sound good as a return to be honest.

 

[Habitant#1]

What we're hearing on Pierre-Luc Dubois from the Jets, Canadiens and Kings' perspectives

It also seems reasonable that the Jets are trying to pit the Kings and Canadiens against each other in the Dubois sweepstakes.

theathletic.com

Mostly speculation form both the Habs and Jets perspective, but there is some interesting new here:
"Meanwhile, both teams are aware of Dubois’ contractual expectations, although formal negotiations have yet to begin. Neither the Kings nor the Canadiens have been given permission by the Jets to talk about contract details with Dubois’ representation."

I don't think Montreal can fit Dubois AND Wheeler. Not to mention Wheeler has some very solid protection and I doubt Montreal is one of the five teams to whom he'd accept a trade to.

(Unless you're implying that Montreal would work as a broker and flip him immediately with some retention, in which case...maybe, but the Jets look like they'll have enough capspace to do the retention themselves)

Yes, the broker role is what I was thinking. I realise the Jets can do it on their own, but cap space is extremely valuable in the league, especially for a team that wants to compete this season with a quick retool.

 

[HabsAddict]

Again, I highly doubt Montreal is on his 5-team list of teams to which he'd accept a trade to.

We have poutine.

Montreal is not Winnterpeg.

We don't know if Wheeler is running aweay from a toxic room OR that he's the toxic problem. If the later, Suzuki is not Weber or Perry to keep him in line or diminish his influence.

 

[TS Quint]

Remember when we had a good RHD prospect in Jonathan Kovacevic, then waived him to keep Capof***ingbianco? And then lost RHD Gawanke to Europe because we can’t convince anyone to stay?

Lol, who cares about those nothing players? Them and Essymont are nothing waiver fodder players.

You know there are actual real problems in the Jets organization To pay attention to.

Friedman said that Chevy won't let the Kings talk to him about extension.

Friedman is 95% sure PLD is going to the Habs.

 

[Kurrilino]

We have poutine.

Montreal is not Winnterpeg.

We don't know if Wheeler is running aweay from a toxic room OR that he's the toxic problem. If the later, Suzuki is not Weber or Perry to keep him in line or diminish his influence.

Poutine needs to be forbidden by law

 

[No Name The Nameless]

Who would trade for him without an opportunity to negotiate? Sounds like WPG knows the end of the story.

Lol, who cares about those nothing players? Them and Essymont are nothing waiver fodder players.

You know there are actual real problems in the Jets organization To pay attention to.


Friedman is 95% sure PLD is going to the Habs. an opportunity to negotiate a deal?

 

[smirob]

If perceived hfboards value is of any concern to PLD he should go to LA. Just look at Danault, his best year is in Montreal yet never had more value than after his first year in LA.

I’m torn on whether MTL should overpay for PLD (both in salary and assets)

 

[gojetsgo]

 

[Hunter368]

LA and Jets used today as travel days to the draft, some delays reported travelling apparently………Tuesday could be huge day.

 

[Baksfamous112]

Habs dont have anything that could beat that trade Unless they put #5 on the table. Obviously they won’t. All the Habs really have to offer is a late first and a mitt full of B/C prospects.

You think Vilardi ans Iafallo is up there in terms of value with 5OA?

 

[Galaxydoggystyle]

For f***s sake I hope he signs for 8 years cause if he signs for one year you know it's going to be another off season of this.

 

[Hunter368]

You think Vilardi ans Iafallo is up there in terms of value with 5OA?

He didn’t say that, Habs aren’t offering it so moot point

 

[Gabouch04]

Im going to start by saying that I'm a fan of Montreal, I don't want to sound rude, but why is Winnipeg not taking the opportunity to rebuild?

With Helleybuck, Wheeler, Dubois and possibly Scheifele leaving in the short term, the team is bound to have worse results.

This could be the occasion to present to the supporters of Winnipeg that we had no other choice.

I have the impression that the DG would be better received and could save his post by going there with transparency.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Who would trade for him without an opportunity to negotiate? Sounds like WPG knows the end of the story.

Blake wouldn't be dumb enough to trade for someone he can't sign. No way he'd risk that.

Would he?

King's shouldn't need to pull that sort of cap gymnastics in the 8's or even low 9's. How much is Blake looking at offering?

 

[gojetsgo]

For f***s sake I hope he signs for 8 years cause if he signs for one year you know it's going to be another off season of this.

I think friedman thinks a cheaper 1 year deal this year then he would extend long term jan 1st so kings can get some cap relief this season, doubt that happens most likely just 8 off the start

Im going to start by saying that I'm a fan of Montreal, I don't want to sound rude, but why is Winnipeg not taking the opportunity to rebuild?

With Helleybuck, Wheeler, Dubois and possibly Scheifele leaving in the short term, the team is bound to have worse results.

This could be the occasion to present to the supporters of Winnipeg that we had no other choice.

I have the impression that the DG would be better received and could save his post by going there with transparency.

think the plan is to retool and focus on trades with young players coming back

 

[thefutures]

Imagine If they sign him for 1 year and then he asks for another trade lol

 

[Hunter368]

Im going to start by saying that I'm a fan of Montreal, I don't want to sound rude, but why is Winnipeg not taking the opportunity to rebuild?

With Helleybuck, Wheeler, Dubois and possibly Scheifele leaving in the short term, the team is bound to have worse results.

This could be the occasion to present to the supporters of Winnipeg that we had no other choice.

I have the impression that the DG would be better received and could save his post by going there with transparency.

Why didn’t Habs rebuild years sooner when everyone knew they should have? Same question for Leafs years ago?