Speculation: Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

[JKG33]

Lebrun released an Article in the Athletic that implies the deal still has quite a bit of work to do. While LA is the front runner, trade pieces are still being ironed out and before the trade could happen after that is done LA and PLD need to work out an extension and conversations between them haven't started yet.

Chris Johnston also released info saying basically the same thing and added Montreal is still interested.

Basically two big insiders came out and said the deal isn't close and Montreal is still involved but LA is the likely destination.



That posted was talking about Kotkaniemi for some reason

Appreciate the recap. I didn't want to sift through 15 pages of garbage for an update lol.

I wonder if something gets done soon, with both GMs in person in Nashville

 

[Guttersniped]

It's actually funny Montreal gave up on Kotkaniemi too early but I think they made up for it with Dach.

Habs fans are weird about their players but I would take Dach over Kotkaniemi. He’s got more chops as a two player rather than a big body who runs around a lot. Did seem to drive play on team where not a lot of guys did.

Their team needs a lot more than Dubois, it’s very likely the right move to pass on that trade.

 

[dukeofjive]

Man the media loves to flame the fan bases, Canadian hockey media sucks donkey balls.

 

[jfhabs]

It's actually funny Montreal gave up on Kotkaniemi too early but I think they made up for it with Dach.

We did, and I didn't like the trade that followed up either, but Kotkaniemi is far from an impact player still. Dach was so much better last season then Kotkaniemi ever was for us.

KK is still limited by his skating/balance. IMO, that will limit is potential to be a top 2 center in the NHL. It's not impossible for him to improve it, but he hasn't in 5 years...

 

[Frank Drebin]

You do realize Jets would never do that right?

We just don't know what happens behind closed doors

 

[lomiller1]

Sure Dach played most of his time on the top line, but if you watched the games you'd see that he wasnt a passenger on the line. He contributed as much as Suzuki and Caufield on the ice and actually elevated that line.

Also, the habs offense pretty much died after Dach, Suzuki, and Caufield. The only people who could really carry the offense given the rest of the forwards on the habs are elite forwards.

I don't entirely disagree. Suzuki and Caufield actually struggled badly when Dach wasn't on the ice with them, but there are a lot of players out there who can help drive puck possession but don't produce much offensively. This has been Armia's issue since his early days with the Jets. Players like this can still be useful but don't have the type of value Habs fans are trying to attribute to Dach.

 

[GeorgeJETson]

Man the media loves to flame the fan bases, Canadian hockey media sucks donkey balls.

That's because Canadian hockey media hasn't realized there's NHL hockey outside of Toronto yet.

 

[tbcwpg]

Well if this LA trade somehow falls through (I don't think it will) and if Montreal won't pony up to Winnipegs ask things might get interesting. A rental situation would have definitely worked out better for the Jets and the Habs.

Its a tricky situation. He's said he won't sign this year but if teams aren't willing to meet the Jets price even a little bit then the pressure goes back to PLD to sign and get moved at the deadline. I understand why Montreal wouldn't offer more than the 31st and a prospect that the Jets wouldn't need or Dvorak, but the Jets can exercise their year of control in that case and get a better return at the deadline.

 

[Romang67]

This grid shows me that outside of goals, Vilardi and Dach are quite comparable. Habs fans know that Dach needs to work on his scoring touch.

Dach scored 38 goals in 133 games in juniors and 33 goals in like 200 NHL games. I think it's safe to say he's not a goal scorer.

Oh, so now you're going to move the goal posts because someone points out how ridiculous your comment is ?

What in the world are you talking about? Did you read the posts you quoted?

 

[Hunter368]

Imagine Chevy's anger if he makes a deal with Blake only to have PLD turn down's Blake's contract offer, and Chevy has to turn back to the scraps the Habs are offering?

Well that depends on what the Habs offer, scraps or not. I mean Dvorak & Florida 1st is basically nothing offer or nothing balancing it out after factoring in Dvorak vs the 1st. If the Habs offered something of value no biggie then, Jets fans don't care where he goes they only care about getting the best value they can. Dvorak Florida 1st is basically nothing, so likely better to hope for a OS return or sign him and trade through the year or at the TDL. Having PLD on the Jets for a big part of next year would add a lot of value to the Jets in itself before he was traded.

Habs have no win now pieces they can offer of value so thats a moot subject, so any offer from them of note would largely be nothing but futures (at least the meat of it anyways). Jets want win now pieces not futures, but if the major value turned out to be futures aka near NHL ready prospects that wouldn't be the end of the world by any means. IMO

 

[lomiller1]

He played 40% of his minutes with Caufield and Suzuki.
The rest of the time it was a caroussel of Hoffman, Drouin, Anderson, Dadonov, Gurianov, etc.

This looks like a lot more than 40% to me.

 

[Filthy Dangles]

HFBoards theatre presents:

LA: Winnipeg is only using us to jack up the price of PLD!
Montreal: that’s impossible, Winnipeg is only using US to jack up the price of PLD!
LA: they’re using US!
Montreal: No, US!
(slap fight)

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

i think this gets done today Dubois to LAK

 

[HuGort]

A few days from now, when Dubois is a Hab and Vilardi has a new contract with the Kings, we'll be able to laugh about this.

I doubt Montreal wants him. Watching final game against Vegas Dubois played like he did his last game in Columbus. Hughes not going to be impressed. Makes two teams he quit on.

That plus we have to give up Florida first? Equal to Vilardi? Along a solid NHL er equal to Iafallo, Dvorak? Then there's rumours of more? Harris? That's quite the package plus sign Dubois around 8 million? It's too much for guy who has quit on two teams already.

 

[HABitual Fan]

Its a tricky situation. He's said he won't sign this year but if teams aren't willing to meet the Jets price even a little bit then the pressure goes back to PLD to sign and get moved at the deadline. I understand why Montreal wouldn't offer more than the 31st and a prospect that the Jets wouldn't need or Dvorak, but the Jets can exercise their year of control in that case and get a better return at the deadline.

There is still a risk if he underperforms or gets injured

 

[tbcwpg]

There is still a risk if he underperforms or gets injured

I think that risk is worth not taking the 31st and Dvorak.

 

[Hunter368]

I think that risk is worth not taking the 31st and Dvorak.

Absolutely, Dvorak & Flor 1st is that even positive value? If yes not by much, thats terrible value so better to keep him and hope for a OS return or keep him next year and play him which adds value and then trade him part way through the year or TDL. Dvorak & Fl 1st makes me shudder how bad that is.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Absolutely, Dvorak & Flor 1st is that even positive value? If yes not by much, thats terrible value so better to keep him and hope for a OS return or keep him next year and play him which adds value and then trade him part way through the year or TDL. Dvorak & Fl 1st makes me shudder how bad that is.

well of course its positive value but Jets could definitely get better Habs would need to add Beck or Barron or maybe even both

Dvorak isnt worth much i would gladly take a 2nd for him

1st round picks will always have value

 

[Andy6]

There is still a risk if he underperforms or gets injured

That's life, I guess. It's not as though if he retired today and the Jets got nothing that it would really have some massive impact on their future.

 

[Steve Zissou]

PLD + Dillion w 50% retention for Byfield, Moore, and Iafallo.

 

[howkie]

well of course its positive value but Jets could definitely get better Habs would need to add Beck or Barron or maybe even both

Dvorak isnt worth much i would gladly take a 2nd for him

1st round picks will always have value

If garland is seen as a negative value, Dvorak is worth nothing. Wasted capspace

 

[GoodNewfieBoy]

Guys I just got back from the year 2033. PLD has played for all 36 teams in the NHL but has still not found a preferred destination and has asked to be traded to the KHL

 

[jfhabs]

This looks like a lot more than 40% to me.

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[Canadienna]

I think that risk is worth not taking the 31st and Dvorak.

Absolutely, Dvorak & Flor 1st is that even positive value? If yes not by much, thats terrible value so better to keep him and hope for a OS return or keep him next year and play him which adds value and then trade him part way through the year or TDL. Dvorak & Fl 1st makes me shudder how bad that is.

Good thing most Montreal fans offered a better package than that...

FLA 1st, Beck, Dvorak, COL 2024 2nd has been my offer ever since the FLA pick dropped to 31.

I don't know why you guys are acting like Dvorak + 1st is the offer... We don't know the offer.

I could rant and rave about how the Habs are never giving up Suzuki, Caufield and 10 1sts but it's kind of pointless like your posts.