Speculation: Pierre-Luc Dubois Mega thread. (LAK frontrunner, but Montreal has circled back)

[Drift]

Is he going to play wing in LA? Danault seemed like a pretty solid 2c and Kopitar at 1c. So what is the plan there?

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

You forgot the salary component here. PLD @ 7M for 8 years is worth a lot. PLD @ 9M, not so much.

Nah I understand the salary component, without it nobody would even compare them.

PLD hasn't even got his contract yet, anything starting with an 8 is reasonable with the cap starting to go up again next season IMO.

I am honestly genuinely curious how Dach develops, I don't follow other teams prospects well enough but being traded early after being drafted 3rd overall and then having a mediocre season to apparently increase your value is interesting.

 

[gojetsgo]

Jets better hope this LA deal goes through because its Dvorak/31st if not.

I think we could do better by just trading him as a rental..

 

[nhlfan9191]

The notion that if Dach were offered the trade would be done is silly. Dach is not very good and the only reason anyone would take him is that on paper at least he's still young enough to turn things around. He only enters the conversation because Montreal doesn't have anything else worthwhile to offer.

What a complete and utter nonsense post.

 

[Frank Drebin]

I think we could do better by just trading him as a rental..

Of course you could. And you should. Will he sign a 1 year contract to help the Jets do it?

Nah I understand the salary component, without it nobody would even compare them.

PLD hasn't even got his contract yet, anything starting with an 8 is reasonable with the cap starting to go up again next season IMO.

I am honestly genuinely curious how Dach develops, I don't follow other teams prospects well enough but being traded early after being drafted 3rd overall and then having a mediocre season to apparently increase your value is interesting.

Sounds A LOT like Vilardi. Buyer beware. 19% shooting percentage? Good luck with that. lol

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Hey now, his 5v5 production rates are up there with Eyssimont and Svechnikov. Didn't you like those two playing for the Jets?

Damm, I knew Suzuki was as good as Barkov.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

You forgot the salary component here. PLD @ 7M for 8 years is worth a lot. PLD @ 9M, not so much.

He's worth $9M if your team needs a center, based on a bunch of recent deals. If you don't need a center, it likely doesn't make sense to spend that much though.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

PLD would be a great fit as 2C behind Suzuki. But if he’s getting the Horvat contract (68 million) then it might be a bullet dodged. He’s great but at 68 + million?

to be honnest with you i think he would be a better fit playing with Suzuki hes grit and style would be perfect for Nick and Cole and i remember watching him play for Canada last summer on the wing and he was amazing.St-Louis could have a different opinion but this would be my personal top 6

Dubois - Suzuki - Caufield
Slafkovsky - Dach - Anderson

If not then yes we could change Dubois with Dach

Has for the contract i would be disappointed if we paid him 9mill,woudlnt mind 8.5 but he would need to step up and would be happy with 8mill or less

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Of course you could. And you should. Will he sign a 1 year contract to help the Jets do it?


Sounds A LOT like Vilardi. Buyer beware. 19% shooting percentage? Good luck with that. lol

Vilardi had an even better season than Dach imo. Dach was on a garbage team though.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Of course you could. And you should. Will he sign a 1 year contract to help the Jets do it?


Sounds A LOT like Vilardi. Buyer beware. 19% shooting percentage? Good luck with that. lol

Sure, except nobody here is saying they wouldn't deal Vilardi for PLD.

 

[A Loyal Demidog]

As much as I don’t want to give too many assets away, I could live with my Habs letting go of Gallagher, Hoffman, Armia, Dvorak for Dubois.

 

[KingsHockey24]

As much as I don’t want to give too many assets away, I could live with my Habs letting go of Gallagher, Hoffman, Armia, Dvorak for Dubois.

So basically a bunch of junk.

 

[Romang67]

Damm, I knew Suzuki was as good as Barkov.

Are you saying that Barkov and Suzuki had similar production rates 5v5? Because they didn't.

 

[MXD]

Nah I understand the salary component, without it nobody would even compare them.

PLD hasn't even got his contract yet, anything starting with an 8 is reasonable with the cap starting to go up again next season IMO.

I am honestly genuinely curious how Dach develops, I don't follow other teams prospects well enough but being traded early after being drafted 3rd overall and then having a mediocre season to apparently increase your value is interesting.

The only way he had a mediocre season is if the only thing that's factored into the evaluation is points, points and points. Because he's better at defense and transition than at offense.

 

[Andy]

Here is a hint. Dach played most of his games on Montreal's top line and still only managed 1.35 P/60 in 5v5 play. If Montreal still had Kotkaniemi, he'd be a more attractive trade piece the Dach, but Vilardi is better than either.

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This grid shows me that outside of goals, Vilardi and Dach are quite comparable. Habs fans know that Dach needs to work on his scoring touch.

 

[JKG33]

Has anything actually happened in the last 16ish hours? Besides the continous pissing contest between Montreal and Winnipeg?

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

Honestly, PLD is a good player but players like him move teams nearly every year (Brayden Schenn, Sam Reinhart, Kadri, etc). Why wouldn't we wait and see what kind of player Dach turns into and revisit a trade like this in 2-3 years if he doesn't work out. We should have a couple more top 10 ish draft picks as trade bait by that time as well, and hopefully will be in the same state that Los Angeles currently is in.

I suppose it's easier for teams like MTL haha.

We don't get many players here in WPG that want to come play for us that are borderline 1C's.

 

[Captain97]

It's actually funny Montreal gave up on Kotkaniemi too early but I think they made up for it with Dach.

I mean I know yall are talking 5v5 p/60 but Dach produced 5 less points in 24 les games.

Points per 60 has many flaws as a stat and can't be looked at in isolation.

 

[JetsWillFly4Ever]

I mean I know yall are talking 5v5 p/60 but Dach produced 5 less points in 24 les games.

Points per 60 has many flaws as a stat and can't be looked at in isolation.

What kinda math are you doing brotha.

Dach 38 points 58 GP
Vilardi 41 points 63 GP

 

[Bouboumaster]

Lol, I'm sure Danault would love that Bargain Bin give him the Shaft yet again by sending him on 3rd line

 

[Leonardo87]

So let me get this right. Montreal still maybe in the mix?

 

[MardyBum]

Friedman on 32 thoughts speculated about a 1 year deal with LA to make the cap work this year then a long term extension(like Mikey Anderson apparently did), would be a risky move for both sides

 

[Ianturnedbull]

Most anticipated deal in HF history?

 

[Guffman]

Here is a hint. Dach played most of his games on Montreal's top line and still only managed 1.35 P/60 in 5v5 play. If Montreal still had Kotkaniemi, he'd be a more attractive trade piece the Dach, but Vilardi is better than either.

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So, Vilardi has 2.26 points/60 and Dach only 1.35 points/60 despite Dach playing a good chunk of the season the top line?

YIKES!

It better be Dach++ from Montreal.

 

[MXD]

What kinda math are you doing brotha.

Dach 38 points 58 GP
Vilardi 41 points 63 GP

Those were Kotkaniemi's numbers.