Pierre Engvall

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I get why people underrated him - he's a big guy who's not a big hitter, and he's a guy who is always on the puck but doesn't have the high end skill to turn thar possession into scoring chances - two things which frustrate fans immensely.

But I want people to learn from this - always being on the puck is a good thing regardless if you have the skill to turn it into consistent offense - I.e. even if it looks like you're "wasting" opportunities all over the place. And being huge, long, and fast is extremely valuable regardless of whether you hit or fight.

Engvall's value was always there to see imo, even when stuck in a position that was probably beyond him (center) and stuck with bad 4th line linemates.

Whenever he had 3rd line opportunities, even at the start, he was always very effective Imo.
Previous seasons Engvall also had a penchant for bone-headed turnovers right at our blueline or in the neutral zone without proper support. He's really matured in that sense this season which is why I think Keefe is trusting him with proper top-9 minutes.

But since his first game for us, his size / straight line speed combo has always been insane, and I always thought the 4th line looked much better with him playing rather than scratched. I'm glad to see him taking a firm hold on this opportunity, well done Pierre. Him and Mikheyev when on the same line play so well together.

Side note, also really happy to see Mikheyev's production way up, always loved him even when he couldn't score last year. Hope we find a way to bring him back, I like him a lot more than Kerfoot
 
I wish, but agents know the Leafs tend to overpay by now, so they will likely ask for way too much.
Leafs "overpaid" their superstars. Are Engvall or Mikheyev superstars? If they ask for too much they will go the way of Hyman. Though Engvall's RFA status will limit his negotiating power.
 
Honestly, I never in my wildest imagination would have figured Pierre would almost eliminate his flaws to the point of being this valuable. I have been openly critical of him in the past. All the tools, no toolbox type of player. Made far too many mistakes that cost us in key moments. Was not nearly intense enough. He is really starting to change that narrative for me.

It's not just that he's putting the puck in the net, he's playing far more intelligent. Exponentially really. It is night and day what he has done from even the start of the year until now.

I think the biggest adjustment is that Pierre is finally using his legs instead of his hands. He was always good and possessing the puck, but would often dish the puck into a risky area in neutral ice instead of taking the ice that was given to him. He's doing that same patient stop up, but rather then floating a pizza into nowhere, he either plays it back to the defense or gains the red line and puts it in behind their D. Far more intelligent and higher percentage plays. He's also been far more engaged along the walls. You look at his assist on the Micky goal against the Jets last week and I can't help but think that is a play that would never have happened with Pierre a year ago. He took a big hit to give us the insurance marker, and it was one of the biggest plays in the game.

I think he's far more battle tested now, and he's just playing with a confidence we've never seen from him.

I always knew Pierre was capable of this level of play, I just never thought he'd do it with this level of consistency.

Something will have to give this offseason, because I just cannot see how we can lose both Pierre and Micky. Their speed and size are just too valuable. Kerf is obvious money that would go out, but even if we were to move Willy for a cheaper up and coming player I think that is something we seriously need to consider. I recognize that some may be opposed to this as Willy is a very good player, but we finally have depth pieces that contribute every night. I really think we need to consider any and all options.

Even if we were to center a trade around Willy for Konecny. I'm sure PHI would likely need to add a pick or 2, but that swap of players nets us almost 1.5AAV in savings. If you drop Kerfoot for additional picks, you have more than enough to resign Micky, Engvall, Soupy, Sandin and Liljegren. Especially if we can get rid of Mrazek, which I suspect we will be able to.

Yes losing Willy for Konecny in a vacuum is a loss all day. But if it means we can keep guys like Pierre and Micky, I think we have to consider it. Micky especially. He is just way too consistently good, even when he is not scoring.

Definitely need to consider all options.
 
Engvall has been excellent all year. Great penalty killer, very good defensively in general. With his size, speed and puck control, he’s a strong possession player too, which is very nice for a bottom 6er. His line has the puck a lot, especially when he’s out there with other big, fast guys like Mikheyev and Kampf.

naah He was not excellent all season unless you are just referring to PK and puck possession only. I can recall just being annoyed watching him break out of the D zone to flub and easy pass or take a terrible shot in the O zone. It was a constant issue last year and earlier this season.

I don't know what happened, but he seems like a completely different player (offensively) since roughly the all star game. I wonder if it is a confidence thing, or just putting in the practice and elevating his abilities. As much as I couldn't stand watching him, I'm delighted watching him prove myself and others wrong. He needs to keep it up!
 
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10 hits in his last 5 games. But on pace for less hits then last year per game anyways. He's got to keep up that bite in his game.
 
155 career NHL regular season games played. Good to see this evolution and growth in effectively less than 2 full seasons.
 
Honestly, I never in my wildest imagination would have figured Pierre would almost eliminate his flaws to the point of being this valuable. I have been openly critical of him in the past. All the tools, no toolbox type of player. Made far too many mistakes that cost us in key moments. Was not nearly intense enough. He is really starting to change that narrative for me.

It's not just that he's putting the puck in the net, he's playing far more intelligent. Exponentially really. It is night and day what he has done from even the start of the year until now.

I think the biggest adjustment is that Pierre is finally using his legs instead of his hands. He was always good and possessing the puck, but would often dish the puck into a risky area in neutral ice instead of taking the ice that was given to him. He's doing that same patient stop up, but rather then floating a pizza into nowhere, he either plays it back to the defense or gains the red line and puts it in behind their D. Far more intelligent and higher percentage plays. He's also been far more engaged along the walls. You look at his assist on the Micky goal against the Jets last week and I can't help but think that is a play that would never have happened with Pierre a year ago. He took a big hit to give us the insurance marker, and it was one of the biggest plays in the game.

I think he's far more battle tested now, and he's just playing with a confidence we've never seen from him.

I always knew Pierre was capable of this level of play, I just never thought he'd do it with this level of consistency.

Something will have to give this offseason, because I just cannot see how we can lose both Pierre and Micky. Their speed and size are just too valuable. Kerf is obvious money that would go out, but even if we were to move Willy for a cheaper up and coming player I think that is something we seriously need to consider. I recognize that some may be opposed to this as Willy is a very good player, but we finally have depth pieces that contribute every night. I really think we need to consider any and all options.

Even if we were to center a trade around Willy for Konecny. I'm sure PHI would likely need to add a pick or 2, but that swap of players nets us almost 1.5AAV in savings. If you drop Kerfoot for additional picks, you have more than enough to resign Micky, Engvall, Soupy, Sandin and Liljegren. Especially if we can get rid of Mrazek, which I suspect we will be able to.

Yes losing Willy for Konecny in a vacuum is a loss all day. But if it means we can keep guys like Pierre and Micky, I think we have to consider it. Micky especially. He is just way too consistently good, even when he is not scoring.

Definitely need to consider all options.

With both him and Mikky it's almost like they changed their Default setting - I.e. what to do when you're not sure what to do - to just keep making hard turnbacks nonstop until something opens up. Instead of trying to make some play that isn't there.

And with their size and speed those hard turnbacks are impossible to contain.
 
When we dumped kapanen and johnsson for their relatively high cap hits, we replaced them with cheaper guys in Engvall and Mikheyev. Now we'll have to find more cheaper guys to step up when these two look for raises that we can't afford.
 
When we dumped kapanen and johnsson for their relatively high cap hits, we replaced them with cheaper guys in Engvall and Mikheyev. Now we'll have to find more cheaper guys to step up when these two look for raises that we can't afford.
Miky will probably price himself out but Engvalls body of work isn't large enough to command a big raise
 
When we dumped kapanen and johnsson for their relatively high cap hits, we replaced them with cheaper guys in Engvall and Mikheyev. Now we'll have to find more cheaper guys to step up when these two look for raises that we can't afford.

But we could probably re-sign Mikky and Engvall for less than Kappy and AJ (And kerf) cost.
 
With both him and Mikky it's almost like they changed their Default setting - I.e. what to do when you're not sure what to do - to just keep making hard turnbacks nonstop until something opens up. Instead of trying to make some play that isn't there.

And with their size and speed those hard turnbacks are impossible to contain.
I also think that Pierre's speed is very deceptive for the opposing D because it never really looks like he's moving at top gear. D-men never seem to be able to gap up appropriately with him. It's either they respect him too much and just let him gain the blue line with ease, or they give him no respect and try and pinch him off right at the blue line. Both of which Pierre is finding ways to exploit, where he once was kind of a one trick pony.

He is quite literally taking what was his biggest weakness a year ago and making it one of his strengths. And that is the ability to read the game. Like I said before, he's taking what the opposition is giving him, and he's doing it at a high rate of efficiency.

Micky on the other hand is just shot out of a cannon. I honestly think far blue line to goal line there may only be a couple guys faster than him in the entire NHL. He doesn't necessarily gain speed on his edges, but he absolutely flies in a straight line. I posted so many times last season about the Paul Byron comp in Calgary, and how Byron missed like 20+ b-way's in a single season, and how CGY was fed up. Only to have MTL be like "well he got 20+ breakaways...." and literally made him work exclusively on that skill. Only to go on and play 350+ games as a hab and become relatively useful. Micky is just a better version of that exact example. There is no reason why Micky can't put up 45-50pts a year with his skillset IMO.
 
Every game Engval and Mik look better to me .. but then I think of last years playoffs and i immediately write off both Engval and Mik
 
What will his next contract look like in Dubas dollars?
Why all the hate for Dubas?

Who has he given money to that is way out of line since he became GM or even recently?

Marner might be slightly overpaid but just look at what he can do. Matthews is underpaid at the moment. He could have demanded and gotten more and with the way he's played, he's more than justified his value.

Kampf? Cheap deal. Bunting? Cheap deal. Kase? Cheap deal. Ritchie mistake? He's gone out the door and replaced with another cheap contract and will be an RFA.

Mrazek? That was fair value but he just imploded.
 
naah He was not excellent all season unless you are just referring to PK and puck possession only. I can recall just being annoyed watching him break out of the D zone to flub and easy pass or take a terrible shot in the O zone. It was a constant issue last year and earlier this season.

I don't know what happened, but he seems like a completely different player (offensively) since roughly the all star game. I wonder if it is a confidence thing, or just putting in the practice and elevating his abilities. As much as I couldn't stand watching him, I'm delighted watching him prove myself and others wrong. He needs to keep it up!
It's all opinions obviously, but I consistently watch ~2/3 of Leafs games, and personally I've really liked his play all year. Defensive play (PK especially, but ES too) and puck possession are his main strengths, and those have been very consistent all year long, and personally I've found his transition play quite consistent.

His scoring was lower the first ~5 weeks of the season, then has been consistently good since, but IMO the slower start had more to do with luck and linemates and his play. He certainly works better on 2-way speed lines, like Kampf/Mikheyev, than slower more methodical lines, like Simmonds/Spezza, but I wouldn't call that poor play before, just a better fit with his linemates now.
 
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With both him and Mikky it's almost like they changed their Default setting - I.e. what to do when you're not sure what to do - to just keep making hard turnbacks nonstop until something opens up. Instead of trying to make some play that isn't there.

And with their size and speed those hard turnbacks are impossible to contain.
I do think they're leaning into a possession oriented game even more than before, but I also think the whole line just clicks. Like there's so much speed, size and hustle on the Engvall/Mikheyev/Kampf line that they're constantly winning the puck, and once they get the puck, defenders are quickly on their heels. They get to go 1-on-1 against scrambling defenders often - and 1-on-1 vs. Engvall or Mikheyev, when you don't start with a tight gap/good pressure, that's a major handful. While with slower, more methodical linemates, like say Engvall/Spezza/Simmonds, defenders are much more set, there's less time and space. More often they'd receive the puck with a defender already all over them, and help defenders well positioned.
 
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Would love to keep the 3rd line intact.
Pk specialist speed that can't be replaced
Engval 2 yrs @ 2mil
Mik 2 yrs @ 3 mil

Trade
Kerfoot
Mrazek or buyout
Holl

I would not resign
Kase

We need to start bringing in our own drafted players
Knives ( Hope he forgoes his last yr of college )
Abr ( the new kid looks pretty good )

Lub 2 yrs. @ 2 mil
needs to be resigned We don't have anyone in our system that hits the way he can.
 

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