Confirmed with Link: Pierre Engvall extended [1 year, $2.25M]

[CelticDruid]

This board doesn’t like anything. Every move is followed by a 78 page thread of people bitching.

And then the pin dropped.

 

[Fonzieleaf]

So when teams send the qualifying offer it just ensures they retain his rights. The player doesn’t have to accept the qualifying offer.

Some players do in fact accept their qualifying offer, but a lot don’t. I don’t expect Sandin to accept the qualifying offer at any point as it’s only a 10% raise.

Now that a qualifying offer has been tendered, Sandin and the Leafs have until January 1st I think or sometime in December to negotiate a new contract.

Sandin also doesn’t have arbitration rights so he doesn’t have a whole lot of leverage.

Marner and Nylander went through similar negotiations.

Thanks for explaining.

 

[cupcrazyman2]

Roster Spots 22/23 & Over The Cap by $1,493,116

 

[A1LeafNation]

I like our 1st 2nd and 3rd line...still have to figure out the 4th line...

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kerfoot Jankrok
______ Kampf Aube-Kubel
Clifford

Rielly Liljegren
Muzzin Brodie
Giordano Holl
Sandin

Murray
Samsonov

Roster Spots 22/23 & Over The Cap by $1,493,116

How much cap when we drop Anderson Simmonds and Gaudette...we would be under by ~1m enough to sign Sandin.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Kenny Holland is salivating for next offseason.

LEGIT CAME HERE TO POST THIS LMAO!

Good to see im sign with us but man...this man is gonna paid for the oilers next season

Glad to see Giraffe back on the team.

 

[Legion34]

Roster Spots 22/23 & Over The Cap by $1,493,116

Toronto has not had a 23 man roster in about 4 years.

They always run 20 to start and call up for injuries

 

[Buds17]

That's actually not too bad of a deal at all. That said, the one year pact obviously does bring him to UFA at its conclusion. Really hoping that Dubas can get Sandin locked in next.

 

[zeke]

Toronto has not had a 23 man roster in about 4 years.

They always run 20 to start and call up for injuries

they usually run 21 i think - they like carrying the extra dman.

but rarely any extra forwards.

 

[Leaf Army]

Let's see....

So last year in the playoffs we ran out the following forwards on a regular basis....

Engvall- 0 goals in 17 career playoff games
Kerfoot- 4 goals in 37 career playoff games
Mikheyev- 2 goals in 19 career playoff games
Kase- 2 goals in 31 career playoff games

Dubas has responded to this by... re-signing Engvall, keeping Kerfoot on the roster and attempting to re-sign Kase.

He then went out and signed the following players....

Jarnkrok- 4 goals in 75 career playoff games
Aube-Kubel- 2 goals in 27 career playoff games
Adam Gaudette- 0 goals in 10 career playoff games

There is no mystery to why we haven't won in the playoffs. All the players I mentioned above have a combined *checks notes* 14 goals in 216 career playoff games!

That is horrendous. How can you possibly expect to win with moves like this?

 

[81Leafs50]

IF the puck dropped tomorrow.....

 

[81Leafs50]

So to fit Sandin in at 2 we'd have to trade kerfoot basically I think

How does this look with an offloading of him kerfoot and holl of we're trying to upgrade 2LW?

No. Leafs just have to move Holl at 2M and give that 2M to Sandin. this is the roster as of tonight.

With this abysmal goaltending tandem, will the Leafs make the playoffs is the biggest question mark.

the answer is yes, as they made the playoffs with some of the leagues worst goaltending this season. Leafs were still top 5 in the NHL. number 1 PP. 8th best PK.

 

[Clyde Brewer]

I like our 1st 2nd and 3rd line...still have to figure out the 4th line...

Bunting Matthews Marner
Robertson Tavares Nylander
Engvall Kerfoot Jankrok
______ Kampf Aube-Kubel
Clifford

Rielly Liljegren
Muzzin Brodie
Giordano Holl
Sandin

Murray
Samsonov


How much cap when we drop Anderson Simmonds and Gaudette...we would be under by ~1m enough to sign Sandin.

You, and many others, are putting Robertson on that 2nd line.

I'm not so optimistic. I really hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see him snipe 30 goals, but he's done absolutely nothing at NHL level to give me confidence.

That 2nd line LW spot looks like a huge hole to me. If Engval had some grit, I'd try him there.

 

[rocketman588]

No. Leafs just have to move Holl at 2M and give that 2M to Sandin. this is the roster as of tonight.

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the answer is yes, as they made the playoffs with some of the leagues worst goaltending this season. Leafs were still top 5 in the NHL. number 1 PP. 8th best PK.

I mean ok

But you can't carry 20 for an entire season so you at least have to add 700k to that number and probably 1.4 mil

 

[Budz]

You, and many others, are putting Robertson on that 2nd line.

I'm not so optimistic. I really hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see him snipe 30 goals, but he's done absolutely nothing at NHL level to give me confidence.

That 2nd line LW spot looks like a huge hole to me. If Engval had some grit, I'd try him there.

Agree with this, I have higher hopes Knies can be LW2

 

[81Leafs50]

I mean ok

But you can't carry 20 for an entire season so you at least have to add 700k to that number and probably 1.4 mil

as long as the Leafs leave some room in the cap, it will start to accrue daily. Leafs are good at making paper only transactions to move players up and down to help that along. By the time the trade deadline comes around they could have more than a million in cap spaced accrued. A 2M cap hit at the deadline is only $451,613 of cap. SO with 1M in cap you can acquire two 2M players.

FROM NHL.com

How is a player's salary charged against a team's salary cap when a trade is made at the
deadline?

The salary that is charged against a team's cap is the pro rated amount remaining of the
player's average yearly salary. For example, if a player has an average yearly salary of $2 million, the amount charged against the acquiring team's cap is the pro-rated amount remaining of $2 million.

This is calculated by dividing $2 million by the number of days in the season (186). The
amount ($10,753) is then multiplied by the number of days remaining in the season from the day the trade is made (42 days if trade is on Feb. 28) to ascertain the amount charged against the team's cap ($451,613).

 

[rocketman588]

as long as the Leafs leave some room in the cap, it will start to accrue daily. Leafs are good at making paper only transactions to move players up and down to help that along. By the time the trade deadline comes around they could have more than a million in cap spaced accrued. A 2M cap hit at the deadline is only $451,613 of cap. SO with 1M in cap you can acquire two 2M players.

FROM NHL.com

How is a player's salary charged against a team's salary cap when a trade is made at the
deadline?

The salary that is charged against a team's cap is the pro rated amount remaining of the
player's average yearly salary. For example, if a player has an average yearly salary of $2 million, the amount charged against the acquiring team's cap is the pro-rated amount remaining of $2 million.

This is calculated by dividing $2 million by the number of days in the season (186). The
amount ($10,753) is then multiplied by the number of days remaining in the season from the day the trade is made (42 days if trade is on Feb. 28) to ascertain the amount charged against the team's cap ($451,613).

I think our ability to make paper moves diminishes with the minnimum number we'll see once again another risk we're taking

 

[Legion34]

I mean ok

But you can't carry 20 for an entire season so you at least have to add 700k to that number and probably 1.4 mil

Sure you can. Emergency call ups. All you have to do is play 1 game short and you can call players up if they make under 1 million.

That’s why we sign a bunch of players.

 

[Menzinger]

Contract is fine. Probably would have expected another year at that aav - but this avoids the risk of arbitration

 

[A1LeafNation]

You, and many others, are putting Robertson on that 2nd line.

I'm not so optimistic. I really hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see him snipe 30 goals, but he's done absolutely nothing at NHL level to give me confidence.

That 2nd line LW spot looks like a huge hole to me. If Engval had some grit, I'd try him there.

2LW is a good experiment to have next season until the trade deadline, then we can decide if Knies or another option is needed at that time.

We potentially give Robertson 20 games, Malgin 20 games and another Marlie 20 games to see who works or if all of them don't.

 

[francis246]

You, and many others, are putting Robertson on that 2nd line.

I'm not so optimistic. I really hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see him snipe 30 goals, but he's done absolutely nothing at NHL level to give me confidence.

That 2nd line LW spot looks like a huge hole to me. If Engval had some grit, I'd try him there.

How can Robertson prove anything playing less than 10 minutes a night. This obsession with NHL players having to prove shit with minimal ice time is the dumbest thing in all of pro sports. This league is so ass backwards with some of its long standing rights of passages.

No other league treats high end prospects like this or young players. Give him 15-18 minutes a night on a consistent basis in offensive settings to show what he can do. That is the only way we will truly know. Him playing on the fourth line running around with guys who can barely play anymore isn’t going to allow him to prove anything.

 

[saltming]

How can Robertson prove anything playing less than 10 minutes a night. This obsession with NHL players having to prove shit with minimal ice time is the dumbest thing in all of pro sports. This league is so ass backwards with some of its long standing rights of passages.

No other league treats high end prospects like this or young players. Give him 15-18 minutes a night on a consistent basis in offensive settings to show what he can do. That is the only way we will truly know. Him playing on the fourth line running around with guys who can barely play anymore isn’t going to allow him to prove anything.

While I see the point of your post I would like to think
1 star players usually get the opportunities you speak of. Nylander Marner Matthews did. Robertson is not on that level.
2 earning minutes in the NHL is fine. It also doesn't have to be proven in offensive production, Engvall is proof. Players need to prove they can drive play north, they are responsible defensively, their iq in all situations etc
So if a player like Engvall can play 10 minutes a night on the 4th line and earn more minutes and a pay raise, if Robert's n is that good, he should be able to do it too

 

[Macallan18]

I believe this means Sandin did NOT file for arby.

um, I don't think he has arbitration rights?

 

[The Podium]

You, and many others, are putting Robertson on that 2nd line.

I'm not so optimistic. I really hope I'm wrong. I'd love to see him snipe 30 goals, but he's done absolutely nothing at NHL level to give me confidence.

That 2nd line LW spot looks like a huge hole to me. If Engval had some grit, I'd try him there.

He hasn’t really had a shot. Same thing was said about Lilly last season and once given the opportunity he ran with it

 

[Gaberd2608]

Let's see....

So last year in the playoffs we ran out the following forwards on a regular basis....

Engvall- 0 goals in 17 career playoff games
Kerfoot- 4 goals in 37 career playoff games
Mikheyev- 2 goals in 19 career playoff games
Kase- 2 goals in 31 career playoff games

Dubas has responded to this by... re-signing Engvall, keeping Kerfoot on the roster and attempting to re-sign Kase.

He then went out and signed the following players....

Jarnkrok- 4 goals in 75 career playoff games
Aube-Kubel- 2 goals in 27 career playoff games
Adam Gaudette- 0 goals in 10 career playoff games

There is no mystery to why we haven't won in the playoffs. All the players I mentioned above have a combined *checks notes* 14 goals in 216 career playoff games!

That is horrendous. How can you possibly expect to win with moves like this?

How does this compare to other teams bottom 6?

How does our big 4 compare to other teams top 4?

Of everything wrong with the team, i dont think the 4th line not scoring is our biggest problem.

My understanding has been if we are going to pay Matthews, Marner, Nylander, and Tavares what we are paying them, their contribution will need to offset the rest of the team since there is not enough cap space to get a highend bottom 6.

I feel like the issue in the playoffs is not our bottom 6, it is our top 6 not getting it done.

For whats its worth, i feel good about or goaltending and defense going into the season. I think they move kerfoot to free up some cap space but I think we are ok. Not everything has to be doom and gloom in July.

Bunting. Matthews. Marner
Xxxxx. Tavares. Nylander
Robertson. Jankrok. Engvall
Xxxxxxx. Kampf. NAK

4lw can be any if simmond,. Clifford, anderson, random rookie, random signing under $1 million.

The 2LW is the bigger whole imo.

Rielly. Brodie
Gio. Lily
Muzzin. Sandin
Holl

Murray/ Samsanov

 

[New Liskeard]

Let's see....

So last year in the playoffs we ran out the following forwards on a regular basis....

Engvall- 0 goals in 17 career playoff games
Kerfoot- 4 goals in 37 career playoff games
Mikheyev- 2 goals in 19 career playoff games
Kase- 2 goals in 31 career playoff games

Dubas has responded to this by... re-signing Engvall, keeping Kerfoot on the roster and attempting to re-sign Kase.

He then went out and signed the following players....

Jarnkrok- 4 goals in 75 career playoff games
Aube-Kubel- 2 goals in 27 career playoff games
Adam Gaudette- 0 goals in 10 career playoff games

There is no mystery to why we haven't won in the playoffs. All the players I mentioned above have a combined *checks notes* 14 goals in 216 career playoff games!

That is horrendous. How can you possibly expect to win with moves like this?

So the Leafs failures in the playoffs have been lack of goal scoring?