Phoenix LXXV: It's Like Deja Vu All Over Again

[majicman*]

Many here, where have you been. I don't wish to "call out" those members, as they know without being mentioned by name.

Who says anything about Gosbee being a fraud?

All the league needs, is someone to shake the tree one last time and see what comes out one last time and he seems just the fit....cloudy the future is.....

 

[Killion]

Won't they feel dumb that they got in after the old city council was offering hundreds of millions in subsidies?

Actually no, not at all. Some people actually have integrity, wanting to business on the up & up, not putting a city like Glendale, essentially a partner to some degree right into hock if not bankruptcy as was surely what wouldve happened had Jamison actually managed to have closed that deal. And just how stupid would that have been, relying on an unsecured creditor in the amount of $320M? Ridiculous. In fact beyond ridiculous, it was insane.

Pure speculation here, but if they go at it with a 5year Lease Agreement, out clause, seriously roll up their sleeves & get to work, this thing can be resurrected, turned around & saved within 36-48mnths. Convincing the corporate sector (and the public of course but that shouldnt be all that difficult really, people will respond positively Im sure provided their given the straight dope on things, treated respectfully) to support them is going to be tough, but if their sincere, not insurmountable. And if they fail, well, at least they tried, off to Greener Pastures.

 

[majicman*]

Killon,

You are one of the few here to see "thru" the forest and notice the trees are there also. If that makes sense. The team hasn't really had a committed owner since arrival. Ask anyone here locally on how bad the Suns are. Not the market, but the marketing. I have complete respect for you. You have an understanding more than most.

Actually no, not at all. Some people actually have integrity, wanting to business on the up & up, not putting a city like Glendale, essentially a partner to some degree right into hock if not bankruptcy as was surely what wouldve happened had Jamison actually managed to have closed that deal. And just how stupid would that have been, relying on an unsecured creditor in the amount of $320M? Ridiculous. In fact beyond ridiculous, it was insane.

Pure speculation here, but if they go at it with a 5year Lease Agreement, out clause, seriously roll up their sleeves & get to work, this thing can be resurrected, turned around & saved within 36-48mnths. Convincing the corporate sector (and the public of course but that shouldnt be all that difficult really, people will respond positively Im sure provided their given the straight dope on things, treated respectfully) to support them is going to be tough, but if their sincere, not insurmountable. And if they fail, well, at least they tried, off to Greener Pastures.

 

[Llama19]

Pure speculation here, but if they go at it with a 5year Lease Agreement, out clause, seriously roll up their sleeves & get to work, this thing can be resurrected, turned around & saved within 36-48mnths. Convincing the corporate sector (and the public of course but that shouldnt be all that difficult really, people will respond positively Im sure provided their given the straight dope on things, treated respectfully) to support them is going to be tough, but if their sincere, not insurmountable. And if they fail, well, at least they tried, off to Greener Pastures.

I don't think there has ever been any viable corporate support...

Phoenix Business Journal article, No Kings-sized help for Phoenix Coyotes:

To quote:

"The Coyotes lack the quality and quantity of sponsorship and business revenue (tickets, suites, partnerships, etc) that the other teams in town have. It's structural challenge to the Coyotes business model in Glendale that Hulsizer [Ed: For any owner - Llama19] will have to overcome to make the team financially viable. The Coyotes aren't alone there several other NHL franchises in warm weather U.S. markets (Miami, Atlanta) that face similar hurdles."

Source: http://www.bizjournals.com/phoenix/blog/business/2011/05/no-kings-sized-help-for-phoenix-coyotes.html

Hoo's there!

 

[Mightygoose]

Actually no, not at all. Some people actually have integrity, wanting to business on the up & up, not putting a city like Glendale, essentially a partner to some degree right into hock if not bankruptcy as was surely what wouldve happened had Jamison actually managed to have closed that deal. And just how stupid would that have been, relying on an unsecured creditor in the amount of $320M? Ridiculous. In fact beyond ridiculous, it was insane.

Pure speculation here, but if they go at it with a 5year Lease Agreement, out clause, seriously roll up their sleeves & get to work, this thing can be resurrected, turned around & saved within 36-48mnths. Convincing the corporate sector (and the public of course but that shouldnt be all that difficult really, people will respond positively Im sure provided their given the straight dope on things, treated respectfully) to support them is going to be tough, but if their sincere, not insurmountable. And if they fail, well, at least they tried, off to Greener Pastures.

Let's hope so. Though if what Dreger mentioned this evening is true, the timeline is just has a very uneasy looking parallel to around this time last year when the league 'officially' annointed Jamison to work with Glendale (about a month before the 'weeks not months' presser). Giving the city virtually as little time as possible to make a deal, ramp up the pressure, inject some emotion and urgency on the city's part and deal 'done'

I guess we'll see what Mr Gosbee has in mind. Just hope it's not the same plot with a new cast.

 

[Killion]

Killon, You are one of the few here to see "thru" the forest and notice the trees are there also. If that makes sense. The team hasn't really had a committed owner since arrival. Ask anyone here locally on how bad the Suns are. Not the market, but the marketing. I have complete respect for you. You have an understanding more than most.

Thanks, and no, theyve never even been given a fighting chance. Appalling situation. Greatest Game on the Planet, and here they are facing extinction. Just pathetic... I mean, look at this?... how much fun is that?... doesnt get any better... this shouldnt be where its at, a problem at all.

I don't think there has ever been any viable corporate support...

No, and its never been worked, pitched properly. You just need to look at what Yormarks done & is doing in Sunrise, the guys up in Nashville, San Jose, Dallas. The models exist, just a matter of implementation & hustle, an almost messianic belief in what your doing, enthusiasm & most of all passion. You can conquer any adversity, worlds with that kind of an attitude.

I guess we'll see what Mr Gosbee has in mind. Just hope it's not the same plot with a new cast.

He has an excellent reputation in Calgary, throughout Alberta, the West, Toronto, resource & finance communities in the US & off-shore. Id expect some honesty, integrity, fair play. If not, I'll be the first to Crucify him.

 

[CasualFan]

We there is the entertainment value.
Professional?

There's a chance there might be a deal with a potential owner next week. It will probably be very professional.

 

[theoriginal55]

There were thoughts that Gosbee was the main investor in the Jamison bid, but that bid failed when Jamison wanted to much (%, control, etc). At that point Gosbee reappeared as a potential buyer with Ice Edge doing the dirty work. Any truth to this? With all the money he's touted to have, he could have been willing to give up the COG sweetheart deal to gain more control.

 

[Killion]

There were thoughts that Gosbee was the main investor in the Jamison bid, but that bid failed when Jamison wanted to much (%, control, etc). At that point Gosbee reappeared as a potential buyer with Ice Edge doing the dirty work. Any truth to this? With all the money he's touted to have, he could have been willing to give up the COG sweetheart deal to gain more control.

I dont know. Greg Jamison never did name any of his investors. The first I heard of Gosbee being interested was just a few weeks ago, separate entirely & with no connection to Jamison. First time Ive heard this, that he was involved. As theory's go, this one is certainly plausible.

 

[CasualFan]

There were thoughts that Gosbee was the main investor in the Jamison bid, but that bid failed when Jamison wanted to much (%, control, etc). At that point Gosbee reappeared as a potential buyer with Ice Edge doing the dirty work. Any truth to this? With all the money he's touted to have, he could have been willing to give up the COG sweetheart deal to gain more control.

Anything is possible; it's just not highly probable that Gosbee or anyone else is making an offer to purchase and operate the Coyotes in Glendale with a budget of only about $6MM in consideration from the city. We'll see if they put something binding on paper. That would seem like the appropriate way to gauge if it's true, right?

 

[Killion]

Anything is possible... That would seem like
the appropriate way to gauge if it's true, right?

Absolutely, and the clocks ticking A.M.U.L... I dont see how the leagues going to
dance around that deadline without revealing themselves, what their intentions are.

 

[Llama19]

Absolutely, and the clocks ticking A.M.U.L... I dont see how the leagues going to
dance around that deadline without revealing themselves, what their intentions are.

And, to think that Bettman's "different kettle of fish " are possibly dancing!

Hoo's there!

 

[Glacial]

Yeah, that really makes almost no sense at all. Now that the 320 million dollar subsidy is off the table, a local sale is more likely?

You've been following this topic for how long? Looks like you're not going to get that A in Clarkonomics . Clarkonomics teaches what's up is down, what's good is bad, and vice versa. The $320M was being too easy. Investors like it when a team plays hard to get.

Why the heck would local fans of the Coyotes stay away if they want their team to stay? Sure, the ideal thing for them is to have a long-term commitment to keeping the team in place. However, in the absence of such a commitment isn't the next best thing for them is to keep the team in place as long as possible so they can enjoy it while it lasts? That is especially true because if/when the team leaves, nobody will expect it be back for an awful long time.

I don't get that boycott mentality with a sports team that can relocate. Different mechanics & variables from a company selling consumer products or services. It's asinine. Oakland Athletics fans do this and call for others to do this because they hate the owner Lew Wolff. Turns out no owner has ever been ousted from a fan boycott. They claim he's trying to ruin the team's fanbase in Oakland to have just cause to relocate elsewhere in the Bay Area... but by boycotting the team, they're only proving the point that Oakland isn't viable for MLB (and they conveniently dodge the fact that the decline predated Lew Wolff's arrival and even when the team played excellently in the Wolff era, they only got a tepid bump up in attendance). All sports team boycotts do in the case of relocation-vulnerable franchises is prove that the market is weak and lacks the necessary support for a team.

Should be elated not ranting? Our friend believes he is getting his wish. The days are "pregnant" Nothing more to say.

If a child was born on the first day of this saga, the kid would be getting ready to go to kindergarten by now.

I dont know. Greg Jamison never did name any of his investors. The first I heard of Gosbee being interested was just a few weeks ago, separate entirely & with no connection to Jamison. First time Ive heard this, that he was involved. As theory's go, this one is certainly plausible.

I thought his investors were the law firm of Zip & Nada, with substantial backing from Harvey, and the Tooth Fairy Association of the Greater Flagstaff Area.



So, if I've kept track of the latest twists and turns
- More tirekicking.
- Someone connected in Quebec can't control their body language.
- Local Phoenix media still thinks a sale can be done.
- The AMUL is the key, or at least a key (they could trick everyone and renew it for one month, if they want to match the Thrashers/Jets timeline).
- Some goings-on with the Sacramento/Kings effort, which in turn affects Seattle getting basketball, which in turn affects the prospects of a NHL team (read: Coyotes) relocating to Seattle.

Anything I miss?

 

[Killion]

Anything I miss?

Well, lets see know.... ah,
Corporate Sales. No effort.

 

[TheLegend]

So, if I've kept track of the latest twists and turns
- More tirekicking.
- Someone connected in Quebec can't control their body language.
- Local Phoenix media still thinks a sale can be done.
- The AMUL is the key, or at least a key (they could trick everyone and renew it for one month, if they want to match the Thrashers/Jets timeline).
- Some goings-on with the Sacramento/Kings effort, which in turn affects Seattle getting basketball, which in turn affects the prospects of a NHL team (read: Coyotes) relocating to Seattle.

Anything I miss?

The local media here doesn't know what to think.

Other than that.... I think yer dead on.

 

[sipowicz]

Jets done, I'm back, will spend a couple nights reading the posts I missed since January to catch up where I left off. My man Killion tells me there are potential new owners, a new mayor, new city council members heard The Buckaroos are still the house band for the thread and the Hee Haw Players now only make occasional appearances.

 

[TheLegend]

No, and its never been worked, pitched properly. You just need to look at what Yormarks done & is doing in Sunrise, the guys up in Nashville, San Jose, Dallas. The models exist, just a matter of implementation & hustle, an almost messianic belief in what your doing, enthusiasm & most of all passion. You can conquer any adversity, worlds with that kind of an attitude.

Ellman and Moyes thought paying Wayne Gretzky $8 million per year as a figurehead was all they needed.

 

[Killion]

Ellman and Moyes thought paying Wayne Gretzky $8 million per year as a figurehead was all they needed.

Ya, absolutely brilliant huh? Players
look like they'd just like to disappear.

 

[blues10]

So is the latest update: gosbee, ice edge and 9 other investors trying to buy thr team and then work out a lease with the cog? The fact that Dreger says ice edge is involved ends all credibiliry of this bid.

 

[Brodie]

the first week of May, 2011, I was in New York and I remember checking my Blackberry for updates on the Coyotes saga and the Sacramento Kings potential relocation.

the more things change, huh

 

[Killion]

the more things change, huh

... wow. 24mnths later. 2yrs older, a bit more cynical, longer in the tooth.

 

[Confucius]

You've been following this topic for how long?

If a child was born on the first day of this saga, the kid would be getting ready to go to kindergarten by now.

Maybe that child will buy this team.

 

[PeeBee78]

And so it begins.....

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...703069980838.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_sections_sports

As soon as newspapers like the WSJ start carrying these types or articles....you know something is coming down soon....

 

[GuelphStormer]

jeesh, i went to bed last nite figuring all would be settled when i woke up this morning. you know, just in time for the last home game. colour me disappointed.

im beginning to think these folks don't know what they are doing!

Weiers: Gimme half a second will you. Need to call my wife...

Gosbee/Daly: Sure.

Weiers: What are you waiting for, get out my office and get back in 5 minutes.

Gosbee/Daly: Ah, OK.

Five minutes

Gosbee/Daly: can we get back?

Weiers: Sure, come in. I am sorry, my wife wasnt there and I forgot you were waiting for me.

best

line

ever

 

[aj8000]

Killon,

You are one of the few here to see "thru" the forest and notice the trees are there also. If that makes sense. The team hasn't really had a committed owner since arrival. Ask anyone here locally on how bad the Suns are. Not the market, but the marketing. I have complete respect for you. You have an understanding more than most.

Majicman,

I hope you are not too disappointed when the deal never materializes. We have all see this act before, we have an owner dotting the i's and crossing the t's just a matter of time. This owner will disappear like the rest.

As for Killion, get rid of the owl avatar, I keep thinking you are fugu.