Phoenix LXXI: Daydream Belever

[MarkhamNHL]

to be fair, hockey is a lot bigger in the valley now than it was back then. absolutely, this team is haemorrhaging money ... but hockey is now being played in high schools and there are house leagues with kids and adults. is it as pervasive as it is here in canada? of course not, it never will be and its crazy to think it ever could be. but having the coyotes in phoenix HAS increased the profile of the sport. just not enough.

well then, maybe in 10 years they can look to get another team at that time... right now I think time to pull the plug.

 

[viper0220]

Just a quick question, do the insiders like Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger, Pierre LeBrun etc etc know what's going to happen, I mean they have good connections with the leauge and they know people in higher up.

 

[saskriders]

to be fair, hockey is a lot bigger in the valley now than it was back then. absolutely, this team is haemorrhaging money ... but hockey is now being played in high schools and there are house leagues with kids and adults. is it as pervasive as it is here in canada? of course not, it never will be and its crazy to think it ever could be. but having the coyotes in phoenix HAS increased the profile of the sport. just not enough.

They are still a long ways from being able to support an NHL team. To grow hockey in Phoenix it needs to be in the major media, an NHL team isn't needed. If hockey could become a big enough regional sport in the north (and maybe even pass the NBA) then it would get the media attention needed to grow the game.

 

[PhxCoyoteFan]

Well there have always been a consistent 12,000-13,000 fans at games. To sell out the joint means an additional 4,125 fans.

When the Coyotes first arrived in the valley it was our first ever professional hockey team. They played in an arena not conducive for hockey and had about 3300 obstructed seats. They sold 12,000 season tickets with a ceiling of 12,500. Shows you hockey worked early at it's Phoenix location.

96-97 season avg 15,585
97-98 season avg 15,404
98-99 season avg 15,547

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450

So as you can see early they sold as many seats as humanly possible. With the capacity of 16,200 and 3,300 half view seats. Even the Coyotes haters would have to agree that is good.

Having 15,000 fans avg attendance from 1996-2009....How can you say we didnt support our tea, in 17 years?
The transition to Glendale was rough. Jerry Moyes was near death sentence. Gretzky experiment failed. Worse than all of the above is the housing bubble that claimed Glendale. Nearly dead the capital of U.S. foreclosures still lives today.

The drop also was in line with Moyes telling the huge season ticket base he was moving the team and would not refund a single $.
BOMB!

Now with success and the whisper of a new owner the needle is moving back over 13,000 and with an owner I can see it shoot to capacity. The difference between 13,000 and 17,000 is simply STH!

 

[Nordskull]

Just a quick question, do the insiders like Bob McKenzie, Darren Dreger, Pierre LeBrun etc etc know what's going to happen, I mean they have good connections with the leauge and they know people in higher up.

Puppets.

They will say what the league tell them to say.

In no way it means they know what's happening.

 

[calmdown]

I buy the Coyotes right now and keep them in Glendale for five years. If the NHL is willing to sell it at what it really worth. And we all know if the team stay in Glendale the Yotes are worth $1. Hell I even split whatever money we make out of relocation in 2018 with the league minus whatever loss we have to eat for five years off course. What do you say Garry? You been writing check your a$$ can't cash for four years either relocate the damn team, contract it or give it away for a buck!

Just to be sure if I get it ok... You mean that having to receive $300,000,000 on 20 years is needed to be able to buy a team $170,000,000 mean that this team is worth $1?

 

[blues10]

Well there have always been a consistent 12,000-13,000 fans at games. To sell out the joint means an additional 4,125 fans.

When the Coyotes first arrived in the valley it was our first ever professional hockey team. They played in an arena not conducive for hockey and had about 3300 obstructed seats. They sold 12,000 season tickets with a ceiling of 12,500. Shows you hockey worked early at it's Phoenix location.

96-97 season avg 15,585
97-98 season avg 15,404
98-99 season avg 15,547

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450

So as you can see early they sold as many seats as humanly possible. With the capacity of 16,200 and 3,300 half view seats. Even the Coyotes haters would have to agree that is good.

Having 15,000 fans avg attendance from 1996-2009....How can you say we didnt support our tea, in 17 years?
The transition to Glendale was rough. Jerry Moyes was near death sentence. Gretzky experiment failed. Worse than all of the above is the housing bubble that claimed Glendale. Nearly dead the capital of U.S. foreclosures still lives today.

The drop also was in line with Moyes telling the huge season ticket base he was moving the team and would not refund a single $.
BOMB!

Now with success and the whisper of a new owner the needle is moving back over 13,000 and with an owner I can see it shoot to capacity. The difference between 13,000 and 17,000 is simply STH!

It is not necessarily the amountof butts in the seats but the price those butts pay to sit in those seats. Atttendance is meaningless if the tickets aren't priced accordingly. It is great to have a full arena but prices have to increase dramatically.

NHL salaries and associated costs such as jet fuel have sky rocketed in 17 years and Coyote ticket prices have remained relatively stable if not constant. Not a good sign. The price point for STH in Glendale is very low.

 

[PhxCoyoteFan]

They are still a long ways from being able to support an NHL team. To grow hockey in Phoenix it needs to be in the major media, an NHL team isn't needed. If hockey could become a big enough regional sport in the north (and maybe even pass the NBA) then it would get the media attention needed to grow the game.

Yeah to think we can compete with Canada for loving hockey is CRAZY. But we love our team and are growing the culture here. Our college team who I had no idea we played hockey is #1 in the nation for their division. Kids are involved in youth hockey. In 10-15 years hockey will be massive here. I think we can start seeing 90% plus avg in a few years. I just hope we can make it to that point.

 

[PhxCoyoteFan]

right now you sit upper fro $18-30 and lower from $50 up to $250.
But most is $50 for STH above row 6. Of course you have to fill seats and grow season holders before you can start to creep up prices.

But what are we talking about here...Making money? Cuz only 3 teams made real money last season. 3 more barely made a profit and the rest lost or broke even. So this is an NHL problem.

 

[a pony]

right now you sit upper fro $18-30 and lower from $50 up to $250.
But most is $50 for STH above row 6. Of course you have to fill seats and grow season holders before you can start to creep up prices.

But what are we talking about here...Making money? Cuz only 3 teams made real money last season. 3 more barely made a profit and the rest lost or broke even. So this is an NHL problem.

Dont trust any numbers released by the NHL. If they were actually true there would be no one lining up to buy any of the teams.

 

[uncommonsense52]

Daydream Belever

Cheer up, Sleepy Team.
Oh, what can it mean.
To a daydream belever
Of an owner smokescreen.

You once thought of me
As a white knight on a steed.
Now you know how happy you can be.
Oh, and our good times starts and end
Without dollar one to spend.
But how much, baby, do we really need.

Cheer up, Sleepy Team.
Oh, what can it mean.
To a daydream belever
Of a owner smokescreen.

Cheer up, Sleepy Team.
Oh, what can it mean.
To a daydream belever
And a homecoming team?

Just stopping by to say awesome Monkee's reference

 

[Mungman]

Well there have always been a consistent 12,000-13,000 fans at games. To sell out the joint means an additional 4,125 fans.

When the Coyotes first arrived in the valley it was our first ever professional hockey team. They played in an arena not conducive for hockey and had about 3300 obstructed seats. They sold 12,000 season tickets with a ceiling of 12,500. Shows you hockey worked early at it's Phoenix location.

96-97 season avg 15,585
97-98 season avg 15,404
98-99 season avg 15,547

http://www.hockeydb.com/nhl-attendance/att_graph.php?tmi=7450

So as you can see early they sold as many seats as humanly possible. With the capacity of 16,200 and 3,300 half view seats. Even the Coyotes haters would have to agree that is good.

Having 15,000 fans avg attendance from 1996-2009....How can you say we didnt support our tea, in 17 years?
The transition to Glendale was rough. Jerry Moyes was near death sentence. Gretzky experiment failed. Worse than all of the above is the housing bubble that claimed Glendale. Nearly dead the capital of U.S. foreclosures still lives today.

The drop also was in line with Moyes telling the huge season ticket base he was moving the team and would not refund a single $.
BOMB!

Now with success and the whisper of a new owner the needle is moving back over 13,000 and with an owner I can see it shoot to capacity. The difference between 13,000 and 17,000 is simply STH!

Uhhhh, No, pro level hockey has a long history in PHX..

http://www.whahockey.com/roadrunners.html

Same league and time as the franchise currently in PHX in the NHL had Bobby Hull playing for it, the golden jet would have played a few games against the local side in the day as well...

Many other pro level minor league teams as well. Here's more of it:

Phoenix Apaches (1958-1959) [CalHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1967-1974) [WHL]
» Phoenix Roadrunners « (1973-1977) [WHA]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1977-1978) [CHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1977-1979) [PHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1989-1997) [IHL]
Phoenix Cobras (1993-1995) [RHI]
Phoenix Coyotes (1996-2013) [NHL]
Phoenix Mustangs (1997-2001) [WCHL]
Phoenix Polar Bears (2001-2011) [WSHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (2005-2009) [ECHL]

 

[davemac1313]

right now you sit upper fro $18-30 and lower from $50 up to $250.
But most is $50 for STH above row 6. Of course you have to fill seats and grow season holders before you can start to creep up prices.

But what are we talking about here...Making money? Cuz only 3 teams made real money last season. 3 more barely made a profit and the rest lost or broke even. So this is an NHL problem.

It's logic like this that has a lineup of buyers to keep it in Phoenix....

 

[rt]

Holy flurking schmitt I just lost the contents of my bladder I'm laughing so hard!



Desert people, how I will forever love thee

Stupid grows all over. It likes to exhibit itself on the internet especially. It is not exclusive to Arizona.

 

[Nordskull]

Uhhhh, No, pro level hockey has a long history in PHX..

http://www.whahockey.com/roadrunners.html

Same league and time as the franchise currently in PHX in the NHL had Bobby Hull playing for it, the golden jet would have played a few games against the local side in the day as well...

Many other pro level minor league teams as well. Here's more of it:

Phoenix Apaches (1958-1959) [CalHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1967-1974) [WHL]
» Phoenix Roadrunners « (1973-1977) [WHA]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1977-1978) [CHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1977-1979) [PHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (1989-1997) [IHL]
Phoenix Cobras (1993-1995) [RHI]
Phoenix Coyotes (1996-2013) [NHL]
Phoenix Mustangs (1997-2001) [WCHL]
Phoenix Polar Bears (2001-2011) [WSHL]
Phoenix Roadrunners (2005-2009) [ECHL]

I really like the Roadrunners nickname. It was a very smart name for a AZ team..

Meep meep.

Ironically, the current team's name is Coyotes.

 

[ajmidd12]

right now you sit upper fro $18-30 and lower from $50 up to $250.
But most is $50 for STH above row 6. Of course you have to fill seats and grow season holders before you can start to creep up prices.

But what are we talking about here...Making money? Cuz only 3 teams made real money last season. 3 more barely made a profit and the rest lost or broke even. So this is an NHL problem.

I'm sorry but I can't take it anymore.... where the hell do you get your information from????

This will help you out....

http://www.forbes.com/nhl-valuations/list/#page:1_sort:6_direction:desc_search:

Shows the Coyotes losing $20.6M last season which is fairly accurate with other proven sources. By this report it shows 13 teams out of 30 who didn't "make money"

12 of the remaining 17 that made money made over $10M which one would consider a great amount after expenditures.

 

[matCH penalty]

I'm sorry but I can't take it anymore.... where the hell do you get your information from????

He continues to make **** up/assemble information from dubious sources and play hockey journalist on the internet. It's very hard to take seriously. If he would just admit he's a fan being hopeful and not an actual source of information, it'd be a lot more reasonable.

 

[CasualFan]

Now with success and the whisper of a new owner the needle is moving back over 13,000 and with an owner I can see it shoot to capacity. The difference between 13,000 and 17,000 is simply STH!

Wow, that sounds like an incredible opportunity. But someone is going to have to act fast, this probably won't stay on the market long. Maybe you could even get the city to put a few sweeteners in the lease; make the investment even more irresistible.

Once the Coyotes are in the portfolio, then branch out and open a Planet Hollywood in Westgate. Cha-Ching

 

[Legionnaire11]

nvm... misunderstood

 

[Confucius]

This new mayor has just positioned himself in a can't lose situation. If the team leaves he saves the city 300 million over the next 20 years. If the team stays it will certainly be for less than the last administration was going to pay. In addition the team this year didn't cost the city a dime. Mayor Weiers starting off on a roll.

 

[Confucius]

Just stopping by to say awesome Monkee's reference

What's a Belever?

 

[Ugmo]

What's a Belever?

I BELIEVE that's how Joyce Clark spelled it in a tweet.

 

[bobbop]

Did they tear down the building the Sonics played in??

It was modified several years ago and would have the same limited view issues of America West, Barclays etc.

 

[rt]

Wow, that sounds like an incredible opportunity. But someone is going to have to act fast, this probably won't stay on the market long. Maybe you could even get the city to put a few sweeteners in the lease; make the investment even more irresistible.

Once the Coyotes are in the portfolio, then branch out and open a Planet Hollywood in Westgate. Cha-Ching

Haha. Nice.

 

[Coramoor]

right now you sit upper fro $18-30 and lower from $50 up to $250.
But most is $50 for STH above row 6. Of course you have to fill seats and grow season holders before you can start to creep up prices.

But what are we talking about here...Making money? Cuz only 3 teams made real money last season. 3 more barely made a profit and the rest lost or broke even. So this is an NHL problem.

Of course they lose money on the actual team, the money is made on concessions and parking etc. It all depends on what you count where. A lot of the biggest profits are in concessions, merchandising and TV deals