GDT: Phoenix Desert Dogs at Carolina Ice Hogs | Sunday, Oct. 13, 1 PM

[Lynk]

****ing ***** semen

 

[tarheelhockey]

This is what happens when a league is simultaneously cracking down on embellishment and losing control of interference.

 

[caniac315]

Maybe Cam can pick up some tips from Mike Smith after the game.

 

[Novacane]

I don't know why we're surprised with these calls. We got all the calls in the first two periods. It'll inevitably even out. I said this last period.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

My gracious.

 

[Wolfpuck]

Sounds like the Hawks are going to have their way with us.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Feel free to dispute anything I said.

I'd rather just watch the games and see -- quite clearly -- that Cam Ward isn't very good right now. I don't need to go over detail by detail of every play to know what is completely obvious. By the way, since we started the ridiculous debate, Cam has allowed two more -- completely excused -- goals, right?

 

[Lucky Lindy]

Sounds like the Hawks are going to have their way with us.

Wonder if I want to see that game.

 

[bluedevil58*]

Ward hasn't been good for years now. I give the guy the benefit of the doubt but he is just an average NHL goalie that is overpaid by about 3m.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Ward is a garbage goalie. He cheats on a 2-on-1 and gives up a goal for the 1,000,000,000th time and people are still defending him? The fact that people think he was actually good in the Pittsburgh game is utterly laughable and sad. I guess if you make a flurry of good saves it's okay to let in three soft goals in a game.

What a delusional bunch of people our fans are. You have Useless Jokinen scoring goals on a sieve goalie that should be stopped 100/100 and we come out of the game whining about how we don't have Jokinen and how Ward is awesome. It's amazing how all the other teams in the league have such elite shooters when facing Sieve Ward. It was elite sniper Rob Klinkhammer embarassing him today, maybe we should sign him for $3M/yr because he scores goals on Ward. Moar forwards, who needs a single defenseman who can move the puck?

 

[Frank Booth239*]

I want to see Muller get himself ejected by throwing a Gatorade bottle at a ref one of these days. Somebody has to let them know how their officiating is the worst in all of pro sports.

 

[cptjeff]

I'm not going to debate the degree to which he cheated and why. Faulk had the pass all the way and it was Cam's job to stop the shot. He didn't and was cheating in the process.

Even with a defender there playing it well, a good pass can still get through. And they do get through defenders playing things well. On a regular basis. Cam can't fully commit to the shot just because Faulk was there- even with a good or even great defender, the chance of a pass is still significant. It's lessened, but it's still a big threat.

Yes, it's Cam's job to stop the shot. But it was a really good shot, and goalies always cheat a bit on 2 on 1s because they have to. Cam played it to where he would be able to stop most chances, but not truly exceptional ones. You play the odds by conceding the possibility of an exceptional shot getting through in order to allow you a far better chance of getting any shot from the other side.

"Goalie takes the shooter" is something that's simple and easy to remember, but reality is more complex. Even taking the shooter, a goalie doesn't commit 100%. He commits 80%, which is still much more committed to the shooter than playing the pass and shot both at 50%.

S*** happens on 2 on 1s. You give up a lot of goals both to the pass and the shot. Which is why you're not supposed to f***ing give up 2 on 1s.

 

[My Special Purpose]

I want to see Muller get himself ejected by throwing a Gatorade bottle at a ref one of these days. Somebody has to let them know how their officiating is the worst in all of pro sports.

Did you watch the first two periods when we got literally every single call, including a questionable delay-of-game that gave us a 5-on-3 for almost a full two minutes and a few that could just as easily been called dives? We're getting outplayed. This result has nothing to do with the refs. Are they consistent? No. Are they costing us this game? No freakin' way.

 

[Zezima]

Suit up, Tripp.

 

[Novacane]

Even with a defender there playing it well, a good pass can still get through. And they do get through defenders playing things well. On a regular basis. Cam can't fully commit to the shot just because Faulk was there- even with a good or even great defender, the chance of a pass is still significant. It's lessened, but it's still a big threat.

Yes, it's Cam's job to stop the shot. But it was a really good shot, and goalies always cheat a bit on 2 on 1s because they have to. Cam played it to where he would be able to stop most chances, but not truly exceptional ones. You play the odds by conceding the possibility of an exceptional shot getting through in order to allow you a far better chance of getting any shot from the other side.

"Goalie takes the shooter" is something that's simple and easy to remember, but reality is more complex. Even taking the shooter, a goalie doesn't commit 100%. He commits 80%, which is still much more committed to the shooter than playing the pass and shot both at 50%.

S*** happens on 2 on 1s. You give up a lot of goals both to the pass and the shot. Which is why you're not supposed to f***ing give up 2 on 1s.

This debate is pointless. We'll just have to agree to disagree. I can't argue with made up percentages.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Even with a defender there playing it well, a good pass can still get through. And they do get through defenders playing things well. On a regular basis. Cam can't fully commit to the shot just because Faulk was there- even with a good or even great defender, the chance of a pass is still significant. It's lessened, but it's still a big threat.

Yes, it's Cam's job to stop the shot. But it was a really good shot, and goalies always cheat a bit on 2 on 1s because they have to. Cam played it to where he would be able to stop most chances, but not truly exceptional ones. You play the odds by conceding the possibility of an exceptional shot getting through in order to allow you a far better chance of getting any shot from the other side.

"Goalie takes the shooter" is something that's simple and easy to remember, but reality is more complex. Even taking the shooter, a goalie doesn't commit 100%. He commits 80%, which is still much more committed to the shooter than playing the pass and shot both at 50%.

**** happens on 2 on 1s. You give up a lot of goals both to the pass and the shot. Which is why you're not supposed to f***ing give up 2 on 1s.

"It was a really good shot"

how about some "really good goaltending" for 6.7M a year?

Or even "league average goaltending"

 

[Blueline Bomber]

I'd rather just watch the games and see -- quite clearly -- that Cam Ward isn't very good right now. I don't need to go over detail by detail of every play to know what is completely obvious. By the way, since we started the ridiculous debate, Cam has allowed two more -- completely excused -- goals, right?

By watching every game, you can clearly see when Ward's at fault and when the team in front of him is.

Take today's game, for example. Let's ignore the play of Ward completely for a minute. How would you describe the team's play since about midway through the 2nd? Have they played NEARLY well enough to be winning this game right now?

Yes, Ward's given up some goals he could have had. But as pointed out in the Pittsburgh game, Ward keeps this team in games until the team in front of him gives up. And this team gave up on this game a long time ago.

 

[Vagrant]

Cam came off the bench cold. Are we really going to use this as evidence of anything?

 

[Razputyn]

Sometimes the best goalies in the league will make that save. Sometimes.

Get over yourself.

Ward was clearly cheating on that 2 on 1, to the point that he continued sliding right after the goal was scored. It was a bad goal by Ward. Ward gives up his fair share of bad goals.

He may have won the cup for us years ago, but he's wildly inconsistent when he's not hurt.

 

[rocky7]

Ward!

Smith is playing hot and keeping his team in the game. Cam isn't.

I'm not a Ward apologist or Ward hater either. I will never scapegoat a player.

however, to say Ward was/has been the team's best player or that games were entirely his fault is false.

Cam Ward has been and is struggling and has said so himself. a goalie on the top of his game would have had that. Cam is struggling. just face it and hope he can turn it around.

some here will always think he walks on water and others will always think he sucks now. both are obviously incorrect. he is having a hard time right now. period.

 

[Novacane]

Cam came off the bench cold. Are we really going to use this as evidence of anything?

No. I'm not saying Ward sucks. All I said was that the 2 on 1 goal was on him and it went from there. I'm a huge Ward defender.

 

[Lynk]

Well this has been a tad depressing.

But its what I'm used to.

 

[bluedevil58*]

If you're making 6.7m a year you better make some game changer type saves and bail your team out. Cam simply does not do that. Say all you want about him and his defense. But after watching K-Dub play for 2 games I once again was enlightened to what sound goal tender positioning actually was.

Cam Ward is a hot mess.

 

[bluedevil58*]

Cam came off the bench cold. Are we really going to use this as evidence of anything?

Cam has come off the bench cold the past 4 years.

 

[w e l o s t b o y s]

The goal like 15 seconds into this period killed the game