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OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

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BrindamoursNose said:
Really solid topic brought up by ESP to (no doubt) give another hot take.

Yes, Jalen is a steal in hindsight...but come on. Dude had flaws.

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Just another brutal take by ESP. It certainly gives off the vibes of someone that watches a sport like a five year old where stats and wins are all that matter. I'm sure he thought Tebow was the GOAT too.
 
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TB87 said:
I know that we know love in a sports media world that value clicks/engagement over substance…but holy f*** does Chris Simms double and triple-down on his shit QB takes. Dude thinks Daniel Jones is a better passer than Hurts and almost as good as a runner lol.


It is okay and perfectly reasonable to be presented with conflicting evidence to change one’s initial stance.
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I'm not at all saying this to be mean, but the combination of his Hurts take and @Jtown calling him the best QB evaluator on the planet or something like that makes me giggle. Everybody gets burned by takes like this. You have to be able laugh at it.
 
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TB87 said:
I know that we know love in a sports media world that value clicks/engagement over substance…but holy f*** does Chris Simms double and triple-down on his shit QB takes. Dude thinks Daniel Jones is a better passer than Hurts and almost as good as a runner lol.


It is okay and perfectly reasonable to be presented with conflicting evidence to change one’s initial stance. The aforementioned happened with me this season with Hurts. I thought he was a fairly poor passer. He’s improved by leaps and bounds to where it’s now a genuine strength.
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BrindamoursNose said:
Really solid topic brought up by ESP to (no doubt) give another hot take.

Yes, Jalen is a steal in hindsight...but come on. Dude had flaws.

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At the time, I got into all kinds of arguments with Eagle fans who thought it was a wasted pick.

I didn't see Hurts as a top starter, like you said, he had flaws, but with Wentz's injury history, a top backup QB who can make plays off the bench (running QBs have an advantage for a short stretch of games off the bench), I thought it was great value.

Hurts is limited, he's improved his arm strength and mechanics, but yes, Daniel Jones actually has a stronger arm - but Burrows is in the same league with Hurts as far as arm strength. I grew up watching Joe Montana so I know arm strength isn't the be all and end all.

What he has are intangibles that are off the chart. Fans constantly underestimate the value of work ethic, cool under pressure and intelligence - the highly talented players are more likely to shine as rookies riding their athletic talent - but over time, the high intangible players often surpass them, while talented players without intangibles can fade away as the dings erode that athleticism over time.

It's not just Hurts, look at Edwards at LB. I expect Dean to start eventually for the same reason, as a rookie, his athletic limitations were exposed, but with experience his IQ and instincts will compensate for size and speed limitations.

One thing that is underestimated with Hurts is his running ability, which I think matches up with any running QB - the difference is where a Lamar Jackson runs like a scatback, Hurts runs like a power back - which is why he's so hard to stop in short yardage situations where he gets low and uses his lower body - or to arm tackle in the open field. He's not a burner, but the combination of power and agility means he consistently gains yards, and is more dangerous in the red zone than Lamar.
 
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deadhead said:
At the time, I got into all kinds of arguments with Eagle fans who thought it was a wasted pick.

I didn't see Hurts as a top starter, like you said, he had flaws, but with Wentz's injury history, a top backup QB who can make plays off the bench (running QBs have an advantage for a short stretch of games off the bench), I thought it was great value.

Hurts is limited, he's improved his arm strength and mechanics, but yes, Daniel Jones actually has a stronger arm - but Burrows is in the same league with Hurts as far as arm strength. I grew up watching Joe Montana so I know arm strength isn't the be all and end all.

What he has are intangibles that are off the chart. Fans constantly underestimate the value of work ethic, cool under pressure and intelligence - the highly talented players are more likely to shine as rookies riding their athletic talent - but over time, the high intangible players often surpass them, while talented players without intangibles can fade away as the dings erode that athleticism over time.

It's not just Hurts, look at Edwards at LB. I expect Dean to start eventually for the same reason, as a rookie, his athletic limitations were exposed, but with experience his IQ and instincts will compensate for size and speed limitations.

One thing that is underestimated with Hurts is his running ability, which I think matches up with any running QB - the difference is where a Lamar Jackson runs like a scatback, Hurts runs like a power back - which is why he's so hard to stop in short yardage situations where he gets low and uses his lower body - or to arm tackle in the open field. He's not a burner, but the combination of power and agility means he consistently gains yards, and is more dangerous in the red zone than Lamar.
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I bet you did
 
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NFL says Sirianni is up for Coach of the Year, I think AP says he isn't. I don't know what's going on but hey look Jalen




Also NO idea how Reddick isn't on the list for DPOY
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
I'm not at all saying this to be mean, but the combination of his Hurts take and @Jtown calling him the best QB evaluator on the planet or something like that makes me giggle. Everybody gets burned by takes like this. You have to be able laugh at it.
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his hurts take is bad, not as bad as yours but its bad. However his lamar jackson take, mahomes take, and Josh allen take and double down is more impressive than any other media member has done.
 
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Screw this guy. Between this (assuming it’s going into his pocket and not a charity) and his autograph take a year or so ago, woof.

Most athletes would be giving out tickets for free.

 
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