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OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

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JojoTheWhale said:
No, you're not off base at all. Against a typical Cover 3, you'd generally try to attack the Seams and the Flats as you said. This is where Fred Warner changes everything.

SF doesn't take away the middle of the field by clogging it up with a ton of 2 High looks. C3 works for them because they have an alien playing MLB. It would not be hyperbole to say Warner enables Ryans the way Derrick Brooks enabled Tampa 2 to be a scheme base. Warner's unique ability to get depth so quickly means the other players don't have to worry about the usual gaping hole over the top of the LB this usually creates. Their rules to me look like they typically assume Warner gets there.

Everyone runs Dagger off of PA, but the Eagles love it. That's a great C3 beater too. For those that don't know, Dagger basically means your Slot runs a Post/Go to clear the way for your outside WR to run an in-breaker behind him in the 15-20 yard range. Time and time again, Warner manages to both hesitate long enough to make sure it's not a run and then get the necessary depth to get to that in-breaking WR. There's no more DB conflict because Warner replaces one.

As far as schematic similarities, I don't think anyone is a good comp. Even the Jets use a lot more Nickel than the 49ers do now. Of course no one plays C3 as often as the old Seahawks teams did. You can't just play one coverage that much anymore and expect it to hold up. They play a decent amount of C2 for example. They're not particularly good at it, actually. If the Eagles can force them into more 2 High looks, that's a GREAT sign to me. When I think of what SF does best, it's play with 3 LBs on the field.
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These posts are what I come to HF for still.

Thank you.
 
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@Beef Invictus Please enjoy this formation from 1936 Northwestern a buddy sent me.

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Hollywood Cannon said:
While on this subject can we talk about how BAD Romo is now? I always thought he was annoying but wooooof.
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Guy thought the Bucs were the team to beat in the east during the first half of their game against the Bengals, then the second half happened...I'll never forget that :laugh:

Speaking of the Bengals, my brother let his two team championship parlay ride this weekend. He now has a cashout offer of $750, off a $50 bet. I think he should let it ride another round, especially if Mahomes isn't 100%. Thoughts?
 
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Guy thought the Bucs were the team to beat in the east during the first half of their game against the Bengals, then the second half happened...I'll never forget that :laugh:

Speaking of the Bengals, my brother let his two team championship parlay ride this weekend. He now has a cashout offer of $750, off a $50 bet. I think he should let it ride another round, especially if Mahomes isn't 100%. Thoughts?
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What's the payout on the $50 bet and what's the two teams?
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
@Beef Invictus Please enjoy this formation from 1936 Northwestern a buddy sent me.

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I assume this is to gain a small amount for first down.

I also assume we will see this done by Harbaugh someday.

On the earlier subject of alien players who can make an entire formation work far better because they can just erase a massive section of the field when used well, DC is the opposite of this principle. They have a lot of guys who are kinda feeble in coverage. But good against the run and at rushing! And they have a monster D line. So what JDR does is assume that he can rush three, get pressure, and drop everyone back to do the stuff they aren't good at. But they can't get pressure in time because the coverage is always flawed. Their defense actually improves when Sweat and Young are out because JDR has to abandon that lazy madness and actually dial up pressure from elsewhere. It helps everything because it actually hurries offenses up and makes them think harder than "double or play away from Young and Sweat and throw/run to the inevitable opening"

I'm pretty sure these people would take Warner or Parsons or Davis and play them exclusively as edge rushers. They do eventually start figuring out how to use people to their strengths, but it appears that can take between 13 and 20 games to figure out.
 
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Cody Webster said:
Guy thought the Bucs were the team to beat in the east during the first half of their game against the Bengals, then the second half happened...I'll never forget that :laugh:

Speaking of the Bengals, my brother let his two team championship parlay ride this weekend. He now has a cashout offer of $750, off a $50 bet. I think he should let it ride another round, especially if Mahomes isn't 100%. Thoughts?
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Hell no. Take the cash out. Free guaranteed money.
 
Beef Invictus said:
I assume this is to gain a small amount for first down.

I also assume we will see this done by Harbaugh someday.
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No, this was their offense if you can believe it! They Shifted into more traditional formations out of whatever the hell this is. :laugh:

The still came from this video and apparently the Sickos Committee on Twitter, which is a fantastic account. I included a timestamp where they do it a bunch in a row.



Between this and the infamous Slippery Rock Transitive Property National Championship, 1936 CFB ruled.
 
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JojoTheWhale said:
No, this was their offense if you can believe it! They Shifted into more traditional formations out of whatever the hell this is. :laugh:

The still came from this video and apparently the Sickos Committee on Twitter, which is a fantastic account. I included a timestamp where they do it a bunch in a row.



Between this and the infamous Slippery Rock Transitive Property National Championship, 1936 CFB ruled.
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Never mind Harbaugh. Andy Reid will do this.

I have 1940s film too. It's really interesting how experimental coaches get.
 
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Just skimmed through the last few pages after watching the game on tape delay.

49ers will be a tough match-up, should be a close/good game. Cowboys would have probably been the better match-up, but now there's 0% risk that the Cowboys win in Philly to advance to the Super Bowl. I'm fine with that.

Greg Olsen is decent to good. Probably more on the good side even.

Romo started out entertaining, but the flanderization of his "quirky, unorthodox" approach to announcing has been real. Less is more sometimes. Definitely the case with him. He has become super annoying. And I really enjoyed him his first year.
 
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I know that we know love in a sports media world that value clicks/engagement over substance…but holy f*** does Chris Simms double and triple-down on his shit QB takes. Dude thinks Daniel Jones is a better passer than Hurts and almost as good as a runner lol.


It is okay and perfectly reasonable to be presented with conflicting evidence to change one’s initial stance. The aforementioned happened with me this season with Hurts. I thought he was a fairly poor passer. He’s improved by leaps and bounds to where it’s now a genuine strength.
 
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Really solid topic brought up by ESP to (no doubt) give another hot take.

Yes, Jalen is a steal in hindsight...but come on. Dude had flaws.

 
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