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Anyone have a clusterf*** fantasy championship wise with the game last night being postponed?

I thankfully don’t as I won by 35 with no players remaining and the third place game shouldn’t really be an issue but I still don’t really know how to proceed… my brother is winning by 43 with his Burrow going against their McPherson and Chase so it’s pretty much wrapped but I guess I gotta wait and see what happens next week.
 
deadhead said:
Yes, and that's my point. The NFL just isn't that violent anymore. Neither is the NHL for that matter.
I mean look at that hit by Chuck Bednarik on Gifford, that would probably get you suspended for half a season these days.

I mean it IS football, but baseball is supposedly a non-contact sport (they even took away breaking up double plays), yet guys run into walls, get hit by 95+ MPH fastballs, etc.

It's really no different than the NHL or NBA (flagrant fouls) these days, they're trying to reduce gratuitous violence, whether it's hitting a defenseless receiver, spearing, etc. in the NFL, or throwing elbows, high sticking or boarding in hockey, and so on. But form tackles and clean checks are physical, and occasionally will hurt players.

Compare to actual fighting, whether boxing or MMA (sic) or martial arts - where the intent is to harm the opponent, the violence isn't incidental but the essence of the sport.
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Alright dude, pass the bong. You're camping again. We'll pick this up in the morning.
 
Hollywood Cannon said:
Anyone have a clusterf*** fantasy championship wise with the game last night being postponed?

I thankfully don’t as I won by 35 with no players remaining and the third place game shouldn’t really be an issue but I still don’t really know how to proceed… my brother is winning by 43 with his Burrow going against their McPherson and Chase so it’s pretty much wrapped but I guess I gotta wait and see what happens next week.
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Funny enough, our podium games were blowouts, but the toilet bowl (which matters) is going to have to be talked about. One guy was losing by 5 and had 2 playing in that game, Davis and I think Higgins? Opponent was finished. So, no guarantees, but 2 skill players combining for 5 points is pretty common.

But yeah not a huge deal but something we'll have to iron out
 
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Hollywood Cannon said:
Anyone have a clusterf*** fantasy championship wise with the game last night being postponed?

I thankfully don’t as I won by 35 with no players remaining and the third place game shouldn’t really be an issue but I still don’t really know how to proceed… my brother is winning by 43 with his Burrow going against their McPherson and Chase so it’s pretty much wrapped but I guess I gotta wait and see what happens next week.
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I don't know what any of that means, but good luck dudebrah!

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Hollywood Cannon said:
Anyone have a clusterf*** fantasy championship wise with the game last night being postponed?

I thankfully don’t as I won by 35 with no players remaining and the third place game shouldn’t really be an issue but I still don’t really know how to proceed… my brother is winning by 43 with his Burrow going against their McPherson and Chase so it’s pretty much wrapped but I guess I gotta wait and see what happens next week.
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I split most of the pot before the championship game in my league leaving just a little bit up for the actual game. I was up by 60 points & the guy I was going against had Josh Allen going. The guy willingly conceded the game to me given the unlikely probability.
 
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deadhead said:
Responding to posts like this.

The NFL is not that nasty compared to boxing and martial arts fighting.
Nor is it nearly as dangerous to participants as many extreme sports.
It's not like ice hockey is much safer, look at how many NHL players suffer repeated concussions without fighting (Patrick, Voracek).

What happened had less to to with the NFL being violent than an unfortunate hit in just the right place and right timing.

Most fatalities are in college football, and usually due to un-diagnosed heart conditions leading to a collapse in practice - and this has lead to increased testing and awareness to the point where probably more players are saved by discovering a heart condition that in normal life would be undetected until they keeled over.

Concussions are the primary issue (arthritis from injuries is chronic but not fatal), and the league has taken steps, albeit having been pushed into it, to reduce them, from rule changes to better equipment.
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You missed my point by a country mile I think.
 
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deadhead said:
Yes, and that's my point. The NFL just isn't that violent anymore. Neither is the NHL for that matter.
I mean look at that hit by Chuck Bednarik on Gifford, that would probably get you suspended for half a season these days.
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During the broadcast Ryan Clark said, "Today, I would have been thrown in jail for my hit on (Willis) MaGehee."

 
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

If Bills-Bengals is cancelled, should Bills-Chiefs AFC title game happen at neutral site?

There will be no perfect solution to the challenge presented by the suspension of the Bills-Bengals game on Monday night.
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As Chris Simms and I talked through the various approaches to concluding the 2022 regular season, we strongly agreed that Bills-Bengals should not be finished. It should be declared a “no contest,” and playoff seeding should be determined based on winning percentage.

There are two problems with this approach. First, it delivers the AFC North title to the Bengals, even if they lose to the Ravens on Sunday, for the second time this season. Second, it hands the top seed in the AFC to the Chiefs, if Kansas City beats the Raiders in a Week 18 game currently scheduled for Saturday.

That seems extremely unfair to the Bills, who needed to win their final two games to become the top seed in the AFC — and to force the Chiefs to come to Buffalo in the playoffs. But it’s also unfair to expect the Chiefs to just give up the top seed and the bye week that goes along with it.

So here’s a compromise. The Chiefs get the bye, but if the Bills and the Chiefs qualify for the AFC Championship, the game is played at a neutral site.

The Chiefs would have to offer it, and the league would have to approve it. The approach would minimize the sort-of asterisk that would attach to Kansas City getting the Bills at Arrowhead Stadium for the third straight year in the postseason, if the Chiefs win.

Possible neutral sides include Detroit, Minnesota, and Indianapolis, if the goal is to avoid the elements. Places like Green Bay, Cleveland, and Pittsburgh become an option, if the teams and the league want weather to be a potential factor.
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File this one under things that will never happen... no team is willingly giving up a home conference championship game.

That may be how they eventually decide to handle this but it won't be because the Chiefs offered it, it would be because the NFL made them.

This is without getting into the fact that ruling it a NC screws the Bengals in a potential Divisional Matchup where they'll have to go to Buffalo instead of it possibly being a home game.
 
Hollywood Cannon said:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

If Bills-Bengals is cancelled, should Bills-Chiefs AFC title game happen at neutral site?

There will be no perfect solution to the challenge presented by the suspension of the Bills-Bengals game on Monday night.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com



File this one under things that will never happen... no team is willingly giving up a home conference championship game.

That may be how they eventually decide to handle this but it won't be because the Chiefs offered it, it would be because the NFL made them.

This is without getting into the fact that ruling it a NC screws the Bengals in a potential Divisional Matchup where they'll have to go to Buffalo instead of it possibly being a home game.
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They have a huge mess to figure out but they needed to do it this way, aka get into this mess.
 
deadhead said:
Yes, and that's my point. The NFL just isn't that violent anymore. Neither is the NHL for that matter.
I mean look at that hit by Chuck Bednarik on Gifford, that would probably get you suspended for half a season these days.

I mean it IS football, but baseball is supposedly a non-contact sport (they even took away breaking up double plays), yet guys run into walls, get hit by 95+ MPH fastballs, etc.

It's really no different than the NHL or NBA (flagrant fouls) these days, they're trying to reduce gratuitous violence, whether it's hitting a defenseless receiver, spearing, etc. in the NFL, or throwing elbows, high sticking or boarding in hockey, and so on. But form tackles and clean checks are physical, and occasionally will hurt players.

Compare to actual fighting, whether boxing or MMA (sic) or martial arts - where the intent is to harm the opponent, the violence isn't incidental but the essence of the sport.
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There have been numerous completions in Eagles games this year that never would’ve taken place 25 years ago because the safety would not have taken a line to the ball - he would’ve taken a line to the receiver. 3rd and 30 good example.

Still a physical sport but not really that dangerous.

Roughly 1000 Americans suffered a cardiac arrest on Monday. Roughly 900 of them died.

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The American Heart Association has released Heart and Stroke Statistics - 2022 Update. According to the report, cardiac arrest remains a public health crisis. There are more than 356,000 out-of-hospital cardiac arrests (OHCA) annually in the U.S., nearly 90% of them fatal.
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I'm far from certain that fight sports are more dangerous than football. Pretty sure the rate of no-doubt traumatic brain injury from boxing in former boxers is something like 20%, with symptoms and possible injury taking it up to 40%. Meanwhile, among retired football players in college and the NFL from the last few decades the rate of traumatic brain injury is enormous. For NFL and NHL players it's close to 50%, with no correlation to position played or fighting. But those studies are much smaller than the century+ of observation of boxers and may feature subjects with an interest in participating because they already had symptoms or suspected they had it. Other studies of deceased brains sit at 90%, for subjects with varying levels of symptoms. I bet longer term and with much larger sample sizes, those rates come down, but how much can they really come down considering the sheer scale of impacts in those sports? Fighting in hockey is probably only dangerous because you might fall and hit your head on the ice.

I suspect MMA is way more safe than boxing at present too; lighter gloves, and until the last few years, striking form for the average fighter was truly dreadful with fighters often losing form and just swinging their arms without truly generating power.
 
Hollywood Cannon said:
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

If Bills-Bengals is cancelled, should Bills-Chiefs AFC title game happen at neutral site?

There will be no perfect solution to the challenge presented by the suspension of the Bills-Bengals game on Monday night.
profootballtalk.nbcsports.com profootballtalk.nbcsports.com



File this one under things that will never happen... no team is willingly giving up a home conference championship game.

That may be how they eventually decide to handle this but it won't be because the Chiefs offered it, it would be because the NFL made them.

This is without getting into the fact that ruling it a NC screws the Bengals in a potential Divisional Matchup where they'll have to go to Buffalo instead of it possibly being a home game.
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If they aren't going to make up the game then they should go with points percentage seeding and too bad if you don't like the results. That's the fairest of the bad options, and at the end of the day you will have to win a tough playoff game or several... like it is the playoffs and that's to be expected. No additional weird and arbitrary adjustments should be made. It's like a natural disaster happened late in a season causing a cancelation and just deal with it.

Mind you if they delay the playoffs for a week that is fine with me too but I doubt they will with all the arrangements that have been made. That would be the best of the bad solutions but also logistically really hard to do... but not entirely impossible either. Those are the only two solutions that make sense to me.
 
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I don't really get the takes that the NFL and NHL are somehow not dangerous, brutal sports leagues.

When comparing with the 70s, 80s and into the 90s, sure, numerous rule changes have lead to safer sports on the surface. They tried to eliminate those brutal, crushing hits as much as possible.

At the same time people need to realize how much bigger and faster these athletes have gotten in recent decades. The impacts and forces generated are much bigger than they used to be. If today's players played with the rules from the 70s, it would be a bloodbath. The rule changes weren't made because the leagues wanted to, they became an absolute necessity over time.

Not even getting into how these greater forces generated and sudden decelerations of the body are impacting the brain.
 
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