OT: Philadelphia Eagles (NFL): When You're Up, It's Never As Good As It Seems, And When You're Down, You Never Think You'll Be Up Again

[Jtown]

To say the Eagles have no legitimate reason to be skeptical is pretty insane.

This isn't moving the goalposts. I've been on board with the idea that very few QBs are worth their contract for a long time.

Do you think he'd be worth 46+ million? Do you think he can provide that level of value?

I have no problem paying the mvp and the guy who led this team to the number 1 seed in the nfc market value.

 

[Kermit the Prog]

Must be in a discussion with someone I blocked a long time ago because I can't see the argument that's being routed.

 

[Beef Invictus]

I have no problem paying the mvp and the guy who led this team to the number 1 seed in the nfc market value.

Don't be surprised when he can't elevate a lesser roster, then. There's a strong argument to be made for selling him for a massive haul and then reloading.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

@JojoTheWhale

The thing that you really didn’t want to talk about.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Imagine saying that Baltimore has legitimate reasons to be skeptical about signing Lamar Jackson and then an hour later saying that you have no problem paying the MVP, which he’s not, that led a team to a #1 seed market value.

Just imagine. Those mental gymnastics are splendid.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

@JojoTheWhale

The thing that you really didn’t want to talk about.

I don't think Ivan Provorov would be a good QB in this sport either.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

Imagine saying that Baltimore has legitimate reasons to be skeptical about signing Lamar Jackson and then an hour later saying that you have no problem paying the MVP, which he’s not, that led a team to a #1 seed market value.

Just imagine. Those mental gymnastics are splendid.

You know, @Striiker, now that I think about it… this situation sure sounds familiar… I can’t put my finger on who it is though.

Can you help?

 

[Striiker]

You know, @Striiker, now that I think about it… this situation sure sounds familiar… I can’t put my finger on who it is though.

Can you help?

 

[Jtown]

Don't be surprised when he can't elevate a lesser roster, then. There's a strong argument to be made for selling him for a massive haul and then reloading.

few if any players can elevate a lesser roster. Aaron rodgers can't, Tom brady can't, peyton couldn't, Mahomes couldn't win when his oline went down in the super bowl.

Brett favre imo was the one qb who could win with no name receivers and turn them into household names.

Hurts played with 1 wr and 1 te last year and with ton of injuries on the oline, He led a team who was projected to finish last in the nfc to the playoffs. Is that a good example of a player elevating a lesser roster?

 

[Beef Invictus]

few if any players can elevate a lesser roster. Aaron rodgers can't, Tom brady can't, peyton couldn't, Mahomes couldn't win when his oline went down in the super bowl.

Brett favre imo was the one qb who could win with no name receivers and turn them into household names.

Hurts played with 1 wr and 1 te last year and with ton of injuries on the oline, He led a team who was projected to finish last in the nfc to the playoffs. Is that a good example of a player elevating a lesser roster?

Last year? No. I thought that was a great example of great coaching where a rosters strengths were emphasized while weaknesses were hidden as much as possible. They could have done that with any number of QBs. Jalen wasnt some secret sauce. Massive improvements to several aspects of his game noted, I'm still skeptical (obviously) that he is now.

 

[Jtown]

Imagine saying that Baltimore has legitimate reasons to be skeptical about signing Lamar Jackson and then an hour later saying that you have no problem paying the MVP, which he’s not, that led a team to a #1 seed market value.

Just imagine. Those mental gymnastics are splendid.

You do know that Jackson has shown that his mvp year was unsustainable. Has not been remarkable in the playoffs and wants guaranteed money. All reasons to be skeptical.

Last year? No. I thought that was a great example of great coaching where a rosters strengths were emphasized while weaknesses were hidden as much as possible. They could have done that with any number of QBs. Jalen wasnt some secret sauce. Massive improvements to several aspects of his game noted, I'm still skeptical (obviously) that he is now.

What does he have to do to put your skepticism at ease?

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

You do know that Jackson has shown that his mvp year was unsustainable. Has not been remarkable in the playoffs and wants guaranteed money. All reasons to be skeptical.



What does he have to do to put your skepticism at ease?

Ah, so we’re continuing with the similarities unless…

 

[Jtown]

Ah, so we’re continuing with the similarities unless…

as a herbert fan you may be unfamiliar with what the playoffs are. I would google it If i were you.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

as a herbert fan you may be unfamiliar with what the playoffs are. I would google it If i were you.

Good one. Hurts tore it up last year in the playoffs.

 

[Jtown]

Good one. Hurts tore it up last year in the playoffs.

oh no, he struggled in his first playoff game, against the one d coordinator no young qb wants to go up against. Also that game was much closer than you realize. Goedert was god awful that game and cost us numerous times, that kelce ghost hold killed us but whatever. Getting to the playoffs was a miracle for that roster.

 

[Hollywood Cannon]

oh no, he struggled in his first playoff game, against the one d coordinator no young qb wants to go up against. Also that game was much closer than you realize. Goedert was god awful that game and cost us numerous times, that kelce ghost hold killed us but whatever. Getting to the playoffs was a miracle for that roster.

Just pointing out the holes in your logic and stance.

Hopium is strong.

 

[Jtown]

Just pointing out the holes in your logic and stance.

Hopium is strong.

but you're not. You're taking this way to personally and acting immature. I hope one day you can be happy that the Eagles are in great hands with their all pro qb and the best gm in the game.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

Goedert might have been the worst player on the field in that Tampa game. Truly putrid stuff.

Outside of injury situations, I have never seen an NFL defense show less respect to the passing ability of a QB in a playoff game. They dared him to do anything downfield and got no response.

Both can be true! There was plenty of blame to go around that day.

 

[mja]

I do not know enough football to even follow this conversation let alone participate in it, but one thing I do know is that jtown has a predilection for physical attributes in athletes over any and all other considerations, so yeah.

 

[Jtown]

Goedert might have been the worst player on the field in that Tampa game. Truly putrid stuff.

Outside of injury situations, I have never seen an NFL defense show less respect to the passing ability of a QB in a playoff game. They dared him to do anything downfield and got no response.

Both can be true! There was plenty of blame to go around that day.

being in 3rd and long all game also is not a recipe for success. Regardless , if you are judging Hurts based on that game that would be not wise. tons of young qb's have put up terrible first game performances. Mac jones, Kyler, all played much worst. Getting to the playoffs in the first place was a miracle for that roster.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

Most importantly, what someone else says isn't on me. HC can speak for himself and he shouldn't have to answer for anything I've said either.

Let me tell you how you're biased and I'm not, while evoking Michael Jordan comps is probably a sign something is wrong somewhere.

That is decidedly not how it works with regard to cap space and you know it. It's all tied together. Player salaries scale with the cap. Some players are due raises. Howie's fantastic at it and if you just leave it at trusting him to navigate it, I can at least respect that. But not writing it off as that simple.

I really don't know how to help you anymore. I didn't get into the specifics because I don't want to be negative. I was trying to praise him. You asked me why and now you're bothered that I'm ripping him. Even in the post where I explained, I tried to close on a positive AND made sure to note how well I think he's playing. There is no satisfying you on this subject. If I had half a brain cell in my dopey head, I would learn that lesson.

And for the millionth time, I hated the pick. I still do because the team was in win-now mode with win-now players on the board that filled key positions. I did not hate the player. Different issues. One way to tell I'm probably telling the truth is that I had the exact same criticisms about taking Davion Taylor at 103. Except he had no idea how to play football, which made it that much worse. Whether you choose to believe me or not is quite frankly not my problem.

Stafford's play is irrelevant to my personal point. The Tier 1 QBs usually have something otherworldly that get them there and I don't like projecting someone who doesn't have one of those abilities. He was just an example of a guy with an arm with the physical talent I consider at that level.

You're insistent upon having this discussion to quite frankly a weird degree and I'm done with it after today.



Hurts has gotten better for ~4 consecutive years. That's uncommon. As we all know, development isn't usually linear.

This is another compliment in case anyone is unclear for some strange reason.

I don't think you said this in this post, but i want to ask as well:

Is part of your apprehension due to us having a high pick and this draft giving us the possibility of drafting a guy who will delay giving out a massive QB contract for 3-4 more years?

It's part of my apprehension, that's for sure.

 

[Jtown]

I don't think you said this in this post, but i want to ask as well:

Is part of your apprehension due to us having a high pick and this draft giving us the possibility of drafting a guy who will delay giving out a massive QB contract for 3-4 more years?

It's part of my apprehension, that's for sure.

There is no qb in this draft that is of Hurts caliber. Again we are talking about a top 5 qb in the game currently. You don't move off guys like that especially when you consider the person he is off the field .

 

[BrindamoursNose]

There is no qb in this draft that is of Hurts caliber. Again we are talking about a top 5 qb in the game currently. You don't move off guys like that especially when you consider the person he is off the field .

He's great and all but I have a strong bias against paying QBs massive sums of your salary cap. Jalen will be getting paid closer to 50 mill/yr than 40 mill/yr

That's so much money for a guy who has admittedly been very good this year, but I can't honestly say is a Top 3 guy.

 

[JojoTheWhale]

I don't think you said this in this post, but i want to ask as well:

Is part of your apprehension due to us having a high pick and this draft giving us the possibility of drafting a guy who will delay giving out a massive QB contract for 3-4 more years?

It's part of my apprehension, that's for sure.

Separate issues to me.

I suspect 2-3 QBs will probably be off the board by the time the NO pick hits the clock. I’m not even sure Levis makes it there let alone Young.

 

[Jtown]

He's great and all but I have a strong bias against paying QBs massive sums of your salary cap. Jalen will be getting paid closer to 50 mill/yr than 40 mill/yr

That's so much money for a guy who has admittedly been very good this year, but I can't honestly say is a Top 3 guy.

whew just made the cut off. looks like we can pay him.